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Deconstructing Lebowski => The Da Fino Code => Topic started by: digbys kid on January 04, 2009, 09:36:29 PM

Title: September 11, 1991
Post by: digbys kid on January 04, 2009, 09:36:29 PM
Now, I don't want to go so far as to call this an anachronism, but when The Dude is at Ralph's buying his half-and-half, and he looks up at the TV screen and sees Daddy George Bush saying, "This aggession will not stand against Kuwait.", then he writes 9-11-1991 on the check for $0.69.

BUT BY THAT DATE, THE GULF WAR WAS ALREADY LONG OVER!

Some possibilities...

1.  The Dude "burned one" on the way to Ralph's and had no what year it was
2.  The Dude was post-dating his check, not foreseeing having 69 cents in his account until a year later
3.  The Coen's are fucking with us, the film's audience  (my money's on this one)
4.  Jeff Bridges has a very fuzzy recall of recents events
5.  The Coen's, Jeff Bridges, and about a dozen other people involved in the making of the film fucked up and ultimately didn't care about such a miniscule detail.


What do you think?  I'm going to go mix a Caucasian while you mull it over...
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: SmokeytheBuddha on January 05, 2009, 08:47:48 AM
Complicating things even more: Bush said his remark on August 6, 1990.

I think either the Coens got it wrong and didn't really care to correct it, or, more likely to me: this shows how out of touch the Dude truly is with time/world events/what have you.

Or it shows just how broke he is by post-dating his check for .69 over a year in advance.

Or, on an even larger scale, I think it was intentional just like the pomerainian (sp?) isn't really a pomerainian and the marmot isn't really a marmot. And Bunny is really Fawn, and the Big Lebowski really isn't the rich, powerful guy he claims to be, etc., etc. I think the movie intentionally plays with our need to make sense of things and throws curveballs like this to make the puzzle that much more difficult to solve. Which is really how life is, ultimately.

That's just my opinion, man.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Laughing Dude on January 05, 2009, 06:11:56 PM
Thats fucking interesting.

I think he has to go with the general theme of "Man does not what the fuck he is talking about" throughout the movie. The animals are mislabeled, the use of many words is wrong(human paraquat, brother shamus) and now the date being wrong.

"The only thing I know is that I know nothing."
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: DigitalBuddha on January 15, 2009, 12:19:30 AM
A flashback, man. The dude was hallucinating. Or, it was one of those fucking Frontline PBS late night Documentaries narrated by Bill Lyman.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Dude1967 on January 18, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
A flashback, man. The dude was hallucinating. Or, it was one of those fucking Frontline PBS late night Documentaries narrated by Bill Lyman.
Personally, I say, Fuck it.  Does it really matter?  Whether in the context of the movie, or even in spite of it, I can't be worrying about that shit.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: headgames on February 02, 2009, 05:23:31 AM
Option five, cause they probably stayed true and just said fuck it, if they spotted it all.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: DigitalBuddha on March 25, 2009, 03:18:34 AM
Dubya, that creep can roll, man.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: BikerDude on April 28, 2009, 04:01:46 PM
Dubya, that creep can roll, man.

8 year olds Dude.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: his_dudeness on May 04, 2009, 02:08:22 AM
I bet Dubya rolls rocks.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: digbys kid on May 04, 2009, 10:58:03 AM
I bet Dubya rolls rocks.

He does now...what else does he have to do?
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: cckeiser on October 28, 2009, 05:33:55 PM
Did a web search. Sept. 11, 1991 was the date of Papa G. H Bush's New World Order speach.
It looks as if the Dude wrote the check on the 8th or 9th.
"Tomorrow is already the 10th Dude. Just slip the rent under my door."

As the check and the date are right in your face, you know it was no accident.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: BikerDude on November 04, 2009, 08:30:31 AM
I'm thinking that the date was semi arbitrary. They guestimated on the spot when they shot the scene.
The only thing they were tryna show was the .69 check.
That's the punch line.
The Coens just didn't care to be correct.

The mind fuck is that it was exactly 10 years before the fateful Sept. 11.
And the scene was shot long before same fateful Sept. 11.
So what a coincidence that they would choose that date before it became
infamous.

 
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: meekon5 on November 05, 2009, 08:07:42 AM
All is chaos and coincidence, man needs to find reason and pattern in the abstract to understand himself and where he fits in, so applies a meaningless system to the chaos to try to rationalise it.

So what a coincidence that they would choose that date before it became
infamous.

I agree, We apply the symbolism because it's significant now, it wasn't when they were filming the scene.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Elbowski on November 05, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
I am sure that you good dudes all remember that TBL was based in part on The Big Sleep starring Humphrey Bogart (1946). It's available on YouTube and well worth the watch. It's not the only Bogey flick ripped off by TBL. The scene where Jackie Treehorn slips the Dude a mickey was lifted from The Maltese Falcon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkmv1C9YBtc&feature=related
It is cut into 11 parts, enjoy!
The check appears at 6:50 in segment 1/11.

Early in TBS a check is used to help establish the plot. It is featured full frame, just like the check in TBL. The date is Sept. 11 1945. In an interesting link, groundbreaking for the Pentagon was Sept. 11, 1941.

It is erroneous to assume that the date of Sept. 11 had no significance before Sept. 11, 2001. The date was chosen because of it's connections, one of them being the ubiquitous emergency telephone code, 911.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 07, 2009, 09:26:35 AM
I agree with digitalbuddha, he has a limber mind, man.
The movie requires that line to be reused later in the plot. The line being "This aggression will not stand"
So they dig up a clip of Bush41, who cares if it's old, (or too new even); Artistic license man. El Dudarino's not exactly a voter.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Elbowski on November 09, 2009, 11:34:42 PM
The Bush quote was not dug up to provide a source for the Dude. The line "This aggression will not stand" was taken from Bush. The Dude borrows words and phrases from others and recycles them.

On a somewhat related note, the last victim of Jack the Ripper was killed on November 9, 1888. Look at me, I'm ramblin' agin'...

Gematria value of Ramblin'=69=Cancer the crab=Donny Karabatsos.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 10, 2009, 08:36:30 AM
I agree, they just needed to use/show it at some point, so that the dude can be seen to borrow it.
like parlance, who uses that word first?, I love the play on words
This repeating the word or phrase to appear smart, this is such a learning thing and important part of the movie. From the near the start of the movie, "You're Lebowski, Lebowski!"
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Elbowski on November 10, 2009, 11:03:09 AM
That's cool Lightweight, I dig it, but to anyone who thinks that the information that appears in the film has no deeper meaning, I say You might be a Nihilist! Every name, number and date in this film is chock full o' meaning.

If you only knew the meaning of the Folger's coffee can it would blow your freakin' mind, man!

According to my calculations, The film begins on the night of Aug.5/morning of Aug.6/1990. Aug.5/90 was the date of the "This will not stand" comment by Bush41. The Dude saw the replay on the late news. The interesting connection to this date is the Groundbreaking ceremony at the WTC, Aug.5/1966.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 10, 2009, 03:19:20 PM
Rev. Elbowski :
go ahead, tell me the Folgers story, Blow my freakin mind, man.. Sir.

I already have a coffee can ready and labeled, so those "final decisions" are easy for my family. Not Folgers.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: River on April 28, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
I think it was a way of making groups like this think and talk.  Every great cult film has these lovely little nuggest in it.

~Rev. River (the Dude of Savannah)
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: jjvicars on July 25, 2010, 12:53:42 AM
Since I'm convinced that 9/11 was an inside job to give those Fascist scum a public excuse for the Patriot Act and a war or two I would say the logic, if there is a literal connection, works the other way around. The date 9/11 was already established, as well as "911", and the Coen Bros reference comes from there. Years later when our unelected Fascist leaders decided to pull off this shit they purposely used that date because of said meaning already in existence.
Title: Re: September 11, 1991
Post by: Figster on July 26, 2015, 03:19:54 PM
Did a web search. Sept. 11, 1991 was the date of Papa G. H Bush's New World Order speach.
It looks as if the Dude wrote the check on the 8th or 9th.
"Tomorrow is already the 10th Dude. Just slip the rent under my door."

As the check and the date are right in your face, you know it was no accident.

Not to try and split hairs, I made this mistake too. The speech Bush made to congress was on Sept 11, 1990 not 1991, http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=18820&st=&st1= was his "New world Order speech". His "this Aggression will not stand" speech was on August 5th 1990 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=18741&st=&st1= Some You tube post have him giving the "New World Order" speech a year later than the actual speech. Which just confuses shit all the more.