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Dudeist Religion => Under the Influences => Topic started by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 21, 2014, 11:07:55 PM

Title: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 21, 2014, 11:07:55 PM
"I pushed myself into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in." What the fuck, man! Is the Dude is experiencin' the personification of his own 'Johnson' (his dick, his rod)? All those potential strikes spread eagle, and that thar Dude holsterin' a drill. Ballin' down the lane! Fuck-Strike! (etymologically related) Is this a foretelling of what is to cum? The bloodline of "the man for his time and place[?]" A long line of abiders, Dude's & Dudettes? Each set to fit right in thar?  I'm just askin'.

Have ears to hear, Duderinos & Duderinas. New information has come to light. We're all in the Johannine bloodline. We're of light. We're stardust. Our Buddha nature. All we ever needed to have done, was to abide. We know it. Deep down in our hearts. That's why The Big Leb[heart]owski[place of] resonated so.   

The Dude, "I got 4 bucks, almost 5." Donny, "I got $18." 1st Pismo of John 4:18: "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."

From Dudeist Hymnals across the world we sing:

           But, oh what a wonderful feelin'
           Just to know that you are near,
           It sets my heart a-reeling
           From my toes up to my ears.
                      The Man In Me (Bob Dylan)
 
Thank you Jole & Ethan. Even if all mine is the product of a deranged mind, I've had fun. 



 
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 22, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
The Dude states, "I got 4 bucks, almost 5." Donny states, "I got $18." 1st Epistle [pismo] of John 4:18: "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."

You very conveniently interpret this as "John 4:18" not "Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on me", or "2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen", or "Philippians 4:18 I have received full payment and have more than enough"

Or even "5:18" "Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth", or "1 Thessalonians 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances", or "Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to".

It's just a convenience.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 22, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
String enough pearls of wisdom and you have a necklace, Dude. Visit the earlier post, Midrash of the Gospel of John, and you'll find pearls galore (NOT MINE).  And that's just one strand! What make's it really interestin' is the Nihilists. They're the key to the whole riddle. Take 'er easy, Dude. 
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 22, 2014, 12:35:44 PM
String enough pearls of wisdom and you have a necklace, Dude. Visit the earlier post, Midrash of the Gospel of John, and you'll find pearls galore...

Sorry mate I read it and didn't think much of it. Not many pearls there Dude.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 22, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
Hey, Honorable Dude.

I'm a Brother Shamus, man! That's what I do. Shamusin' is great fun, maybe even more than that of those (writers/directors) who joyfully 'enscript' these allusions to other works of art, literature, religion, and/or philosophy. Believe me, I get that it's not for everybody. Most people's eyes glaze over at the mention. "Get a life!" the insinuated refrain. Maybe there should be an out-of-the-way posting area. 

However, because The Big Lebowski is so loaded with religious allusion, I thought this posting area of Dudism.com (Dudeist Religion, Under the Influence) would be the most appropriate. And I am surely under the influence.

The Big Lebowski may be likened to a cinematic mosaic. From the theater goer's vantage one appreciates its verve ("Oh, what a wonderful feeling"). We Brother's Shamus, however, cannot help inspecting closely the tesserae (the tiles) that make up the mosaic. If lucky, one is rewarded by a strangely irresistible familiarity. Granted, it could be a false positive, in the parlance of our day. But that diminishes when one finds another, and yet another familiarity within the same family of familiarities. Strike! Now your on to something!

There is another reason why we do this, Dude. If one sits gently with a film like The Big Lebowski, as you must sit with a Zen Koan, it just may open. As a lotus blossoms, you are rewarded with a deeper experience. And that is where I must not tread for that would be sacrilege.



 

 

Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: DigitalBuddha on March 22, 2014, 09:51:50 PM
Hey, Honorable Dude.

I'm a Brother Shamus, man! That's what I do. Shamusin' is great fun, maybe even more than that of those (writers/directors) who joyfully 'enscript' these allusions to other works of art, literature, religion, and/or philosophy. Believe me, I get that it's not for everybody. Most people's eyes glaze over at the mention. "Get a life!" the insinuated refrain. Maybe there should be an out-of-the-way posting area. 

Is that you, Icon?
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 23, 2014, 01:03:20 AM
Sorry, man.  Can't say I've met the the Dude.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: DigitalBuddha on March 23, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
Sorry, man.  Can't say I've met the the Dude.

Far out, man.

;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: jdurand on March 23, 2014, 02:11:57 AM
Sorry, man.  Can't say I've met the the Dude.

Good answer!
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Caesar dude on March 23, 2014, 08:33:34 AM
You sure write like Icon.....but of course you're not trying to scam anyone are you man?
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 23, 2014, 07:19:40 PM
However, because The Big Lebowski is so loaded with religious allusion, I thought this posting area of Dudism.com (Dudeist Religion, Under the Influence) would be the most appropriate. And I am surely under the influence.

Here I have to disagree entirely. Look at any interview with the Coen Brothers on the subject and they make it very plain it is not "loaded with religious allusion" nothing could be further from the truth.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: jgiffin on March 23, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
The movie stands on its own. Regardless of the creators' intent or interpretation, the move "is" whatever it is. Of course, part of what the movie "is" depends on how the audience interprets it. It's like asking whether Jane Smiley meant "One Thousand Acres" to be a modern telling of King Lear. Well, that's the way a lot of people read it. What she intended or whether she agrees is a different point entirely.



Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 24, 2014, 01:17:39 AM
I agree, Dude. I'm a devotee of the Coenesque Genre. But The Big Lebowski is now mine, just as it is yours. That's not to say my ramblings-on are out of whole cloth. The probabilities of finding extended families of cohering allusions and references would seem astronomical.

And yes, as Ethan Coen is quoted (in below Dudespaper 2005 article), It is this "weird impulse when people feel the need to read things as code." Me thinks, the Koans doth protest too much!   

Check out this Dudette's Paper below. Excellent perspective on "references, allusions, the use of use of music dialogs, and imagery." And she more than touches on the Coan Brothers standard demureness. Sure hope she made it to the finals, man.

The Coen's Effort: The Big Legowski (by Anne Lehwald of Dresden)
http://dudespaper.com/dude-university/the-coens-effort-the-big-lebowski/comment-page-1/ (http://dudespaper.com/dude-university/the-coens-effort-the-big-lebowski/comment-page-1/)
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 24, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
I agree, Dude. I'm a devotee of the Coenesque Genre. But The Big Lebowski is now mine, just as it is yours. That's not to say my ramblings-on are out of whole cloth. The probabilities of finding extended families of cohering allusions and references would seem astronomical.

And yes, as Ethan Coen is quoted (in below Dudespaper 2005 article), It is this "weird impulse when people feel the need to read things as code." Me thinks, the Koans doth protest too much!   

Check out this Dudette's Paper below. Excellent perspective on "references, allusions, the use of use of music dialogs, and imagery." And she more than touches on the Coan Brothers standard demureness. Sure hope she made it to the finals, man.

The Coen's Effort: The Big Legowski (by Anne Lehwald of Dresden)
http://dudespaper.com/dude-university/the-coens-effort-the-big-lebowski/comment-page-1/ (http://dudespaper.com/dude-university/the-coens-effort-the-big-lebowski/comment-page-1/)

Sorry particularly and specifically Dudette's is not the accepted nomenclature, we are all Dudes, what ever the gender. Dude is like Actor, or Doctor as a title. We do not define a division in Dudeism by sex (apart from those that are having it and those that are doing it manually).

Also thanks for the link to the very interesting article.

Quote from: Anne Lehwald

For Ethan Coen it is “a weird impulse when people feel the need to read things as a code.” His older brother Joel even claims that “we never, ever go into our films with anything like that in mind”. Fortunately, though, he admits: “We are definitely guilty of teasing”


Which goes back to my assertion that they don't place biblical references and so on into the film.

Next we will be getting Dudeist Kabalists telling us if you translate the script into Yiddish and apply the correct formula it describes the exact time of the end of days.

;D

Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 24, 2014, 12:50:40 PM
That's cool. That's cool, Dude. Must admit I've never been accused of the brevity thing.

All I'm sayin' . . . all I'm sayin' man . . . "It might not be just a simple . . . you know." (Now that thar's a fine example of a Koan tease.) Them Brothers are holdin' out on us, and a good thing they are. Who wants to be spoon fed. Got enough of that in the pew. "All the Dude ever wanted was his rug back." 8)     

VISIT: Dude, "It might not be just a simple . . . you know."
http://dudeism.com/smf/general-discussion/well-i-guess-ive-seen-something-every-bit-as-stupefying-as-you-can-see/ (http://dudeism.com/smf/general-discussion/well-i-guess-ive-seen-something-every-bit-as-stupefying-as-you-can-see/)
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: jdurand on March 24, 2014, 10:38:33 PM
If you add up the ACSII value of all the characters in the script for the movie, you get the price of a carton of milk!
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2014, 03:13:17 AM
For such a fun, lighthearted movie and what I believe is a great religion, some of the stuff posted on this board gives me migraines.

Icon didn't appear to be bright enough to know how to change his IP address, so the mods will have to tell us if he's returned from the dead - just in time for easter!
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2014, 03:37:56 AM
If you add up the ACSII value of all the characters in the script for the movie, you get the price of a carton of milk!

If you put a big map of SoCal on your wall, and map the location of every Ralphs using pushpins and twine, you'll have a 3D twine art diagram of a vagina!
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 26, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
If you add up the ACSII value of all the characters in the script for the movie, you get the price of a carton of milk!

If you put a big map of SoCal on your wall, and map the location of every Ralphs using pushpins and twine, you'll have a 3D twine art diagram of a vagina!

Now then children make sure you have a responsible adult present when you try this at home!

(rushes home to try this)
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 26, 2014, 02:51:09 PM
Most Honorable Dudes,

What I most appreciate about the Dude is his infinite patience. To Martin. Even to Walter! So, maybe I am just going through my cycles. Why is that so upsetting? 

Whoever this Iconocclesiates is, it appears you had your rift with him the first part of this year.  If anyone had checked, I first posted on July 3rd, 2013, titled
     A Midrash of the Gospel of John
     http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/ (http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/)

The Dude abides.

 
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: DigitalBuddha on March 26, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
Most Honorable Dudes,

What I most appreciate about the Dude is his infinite patience. To Martin. Even to Walter! So, maybe I am just going through my cycles. Why is that so upsetting? 

Whoever this Iconocclesiates is, it appears you had your rift with him the first part of this year.  If anyone had checked, I first posted on July 3rd, 2013, titled
     A Midrash of the Gospel of John
     http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/ (http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/)

The Dude abides.

 

Icon just didn't get it. Sad.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: cckeiser on March 26, 2014, 09:58:11 PM
Most Honorable Dudes,

What I most appreciate about the Dude is his infinite patience. To Martin. Even to Walter! So, maybe I am just going through my cycles. Why is that so upsetting? 

Whoever this Iconocclesiates is, it appears you had your rift with him the first part of this year.  If anyone had checked, I first posted on July 3rd, 2013, titled
     A Midrash of the Gospel of John
     http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/ (http://dudeism.com/smf/under-the-influences/a-midrash-of-the-gospel-of-john/)

The Dude abides.

 

Why are you here?
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 27, 2014, 12:10:14 AM
Thank you for asking, Administrator Dude.

I believe I do have a perspective that is worth a sharing, a perspective that may contribute towards "recognizing the philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism."

Where did the Dude come from?  After Shamusin' till I dream Lebowski, I have a highly plausible answer. The Latter Day Dude echoes the Earlier Day John of the Gospel of John. Bunny echos the Hare in Hare-Mark on the Moon. I believe these stories spin around each other (yin yang fashion) such to sponsor an even deeper level of meaning. A quite grand meaning to which the Dude might exclaim, "Fuckin' A!"

For the first time in the movie, the Dude sports a real bowling shirt (monogrammed "Art"). CHAPTERS 21 OF BOTH WORKS OF ART echo each other. Jesus admonishes Peter (Lebowski-like), LEAVE THE DUDE THE FUCK ALONE! And the word used is ABIDE (JOHN 21:23, Darby Translation). 
   
And "Art" traces back to the Greek word artios which translates "complete or suitable." The way the Stranger states it, "He fits right in there." This examples just one of the many logged (in Dudism.com) triangulated codes used by the Coen Brothers. And all of those codes respective to the Dude, Donny, Walter, The Stoners, Maude, and Knox Harrington, (who did I leave out?) lead to the Gospel of John.   

New information has come to light, Administrator Dude. And I can't imagine a more appropriate place for it shine than this little corner of Dudeism.com.

Now a Righteous Dude might say of me, "LET HIM LEAVE THE DUDE THE FUCK ALONE." I would respectfully say to that Dude, "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like your opinion, man."

Respectfully, a very sincere Brother Shamus.   
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Stumblin Stumbleweed on March 27, 2014, 07:16:46 AM
I'm out of my element here. I feel like a child who's wandered into the middle of a movie.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: cckeiser on March 27, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
Thank you for asking, Administrator Dude.

I believe I do have a perspective that is worth a sharing, a perspective that may contribute towards "recognizing the philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism."

Where did the Dude come from?  After Shamusin' till I dream Lebowski, I have a highly plausible answer. The Latter Day Dude echoes the Earlier Day John of the Gospel of John. Bunny echos the Hare in Hare-Mark on the Moon. I believe these stories spin around each other (yin yang fashion) such to sponsor an even deeper level of meaning. A quite grand meaning to which the Dude might exclaim, "Fuckin' A!"

For the first time in the movie, the Dude sports a real bowling shirt (monogrammed "Art"). CHAPTERS 21 OF BOTH WORKS OF ART echo each other. Jesus admonishes Peter (Lebowski-like), LEAVE THE DUDE THE FUCK ALONE! And the word used is ABIDE (JOHN 21:23, Darby Translation). 
   
And "Art" traces back to the Greek word artios which translates "complete or suitable." The way the Stranger states it, "He fits right in there." This examples just one of the many logged (in Dudism.com) triangulated codes used by the Coen Brothers. And all of those codes respective to the Dude, Donny, Walter, The Stoners, Maude, and Knox Harrington, (who did I leave out?) lead to the Gospel of John.   

New information has come to light, Administrator Dude. And I can't imagine a more appropriate place for it shine than this little corner of Dudeism.com.

Now a Righteous Dude might say of me, "LET HIM LEAVE THE DUDE THE FUCK ALONE." I would respectfully say to that Dude, "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like your opinion, man."

Respectfully, a very sincere Brother Shamus.   
Not a good answer "dude". Dudeism is non-religious.
There is no literal connection!
You sound like another Christian Rugpisser trying to piss your Christian psychout bullshit all over our Dudeist rug.
I am going to vote to have you kicked out of our nice quiet beach community.

Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on March 27, 2014, 12:54:36 PM
...And "Art" traces back to the Greek word artios which translates "complete or suitable." The way the Stranger states it, "He fits right in there." This examples just one of the many logged (in Dudism.com) triangulated codes used by the Coen Brothers. And all of those codes respective to the Dude, Donny, Walter, The Stoners, Maude, and Knox Harrington, (who did I leave out?) lead to the Gospel of John...

Art comes from Latin ars, artis. The core meaning in Latin is practical skill (compare with English art, artful in the sense of cunning). In Latin the word also means professional skill and was applied increasingly to skill in creating poetry and music. In the course of time it was also applied more specifically to painting and sculpture.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: The_Sleevez on March 27, 2014, 03:35:17 PM
Well there are to many ins and outs and what have you's here for this dude. It's this isn't an icon post not entirely sure what he's blathering about. Possibly looking for a deeper meaning in the movie and relating it to Christianity which seems like an acid flash back to me. I don't think He is scamming anybody or pissing on the rug. Nothing is fucked here just expressing his opinion and that's cool man. Just abiding
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Nolan Hofstadter on March 27, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
Dude, you are keeping me on my toes!

The etymological codes used by the Coen Brothers must cohere around a family of familiarities. That's what makes them so difficult to find, at first.
 
Reference: Online Etymology Dictionary, http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=art. (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=art.)  There you'll find it.

Hey Dude, ever notice in the first scene of Gutter Balls the Dude is 'foreshadowed' literally and figuratively. Now that's a Koan Brother's tease (imagery of a long-dead-in-language metaphor and therefore hidden to us). Gutter Balls is a dream foreshadowing the Yin Yang stories of the Gospel of John and the Hare-Mark in the Moon. "I tripped on a cloud and fell-a eight miles high." Look at all those bowling shoes descending in size and ascending to the hare-moon. Christianity meets Buddhism, Dude.  Wu Wei pissed on that thar rug. I'm just sayin' . . .
     


Foreshadowing
 
Definition: The literary device foreshadowing refers to the use of indicative words/phrases and hints that set the stage for a story to unfold and give the reader a hint of something that is going to happen without revealing the story or spoiling the suspense. Foreshadowing is used to suggest an upcoming outcome to the story.

Example:

"He had no idea of the disastrous chain of events to follow." In this sentence, while the protagonist is clueless of further developments, the reader learns that something disastrous and problematic is about to happen to/for him.

Reference: http://literary-devices.com/content/foreshadowing (http://literary-devices.com/content/foreshadowing)
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: The_Sleevez on March 27, 2014, 08:04:09 PM
This has nothing to do with anything just a reminder to not take anything to seriously
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: milnie on March 28, 2014, 06:04:30 PM
A potential x factor contestant?
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: Yeti on April 02, 2014, 02:56:32 AM
I'm out of my element here. I feel like a child who's wandered into the middle of a movie.

A Warhol movie...
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: meekon5 on April 02, 2014, 09:00:34 AM
I'm out of my element here. I feel like a child who's wandered into the middle of a movie.

A Warhol movie...

A bad fan flick version of a David Cronenberg movie!

One with half the intellectual content.
Title: Re: "I pushed my soul into a deep dark hole, and I followed it in."
Post by: BikerDude on April 03, 2014, 09:04:20 AM
Ah yes the age old abyss metaphor.
The seeker embraces the terror of the abyss while common man spends his life retreating from it.

The greeks revelled in this idea. It's the thousand yard stare. Hendrix "have you been experienced" yadda yadda.
Nietzschein "The birth of tragedy"
Quote
Nietzsche found in classical Athenian tragedy an art form that transcended the pessimism and nihilism of a fundamentally meaningless world. The Greek spectators, by looking into the abyss of human suffering and affirming it, passionately and joyously affirmed the meaning of their own existence. They knew themselves to be infinitely more than petty individuals, finding self-affirmation not in another life, not in a world to come, but in the terror and ecstasy alike celebrated in the performance of tragedies.

In a nutshell man finds his character by putting away silly self deception and facing the yawning darkness of the abyss.
You are nothing until you realize that you are nothing. Far out man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L92V-YwjHfs&list=PLoeN4PJN1ADuuTNjOgLxr5Z7ovpNhPCPX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L92V-YwjHfs&list=PLoeN4PJN1ADuuTNjOgLxr5Z7ovpNhPCPX)