My Community

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hominid on September 20, 2011, 07:01:54 PM

Title: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 20, 2011, 07:01:54 PM
I was just recently accused of being in a cult by a relative (on a Facebook post no less). I wanted to throw a coffee cup at her head, so I got out of my own way, poured another glass of wine, and composed a light-hearted response.  I  felt insulted, and that Dudeism was insulted.  I think she realized her mistake, because the thread is no longer there!

Anyone else have this happen?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on September 20, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
No, but as they say......................

"A new idea is first ridiculed, then violently opposed, and then excepted as the norm."
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 20, 2011, 10:36:21 PM
Hah! Good one.  Similar to: "Treason or heroism... just a matter of timing."
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on September 20, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
Hah! Good one.  Similar to: "Treason or heroism... just a matter of timing."
So true; the founding dudes of the US would have been hung for treason if we would have lost. And, would have gone down in history as traders.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 21, 2011, 12:11:03 AM
Um, you mean "traitors" I think.  Trading was another part of British/North American history...  ;-)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on September 21, 2011, 12:54:01 AM
Um, you mean "traitors" I think.  Trading was another part of British/North American history...  ;-)

HA! Yes, the preferred nomenclature is "traitors," My bad.  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on September 21, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
Cult: A particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

Also: A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

Both stolen from Dictionary.com.

We are a cult. All religions are. I remember back when I met my special lady. She was a mormon back then. Man, she'd get pissed when I talked about her "cult".
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: BikerDude on September 21, 2011, 09:20:13 AM
Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, her opinion, man.
I don't feel insulted.
I can Abide it.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on September 22, 2011, 12:44:31 AM
Cult is fine, actually a Dudeist Priest is a Cult Minister, sect is not.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on September 22, 2011, 02:52:33 AM
I was just recently accused of being in a cult by a relative (on a Facebook post no less). I wanted to throw a coffee cup at her head, so I got out of my own way, poured another glass of wine, and composed a light-hearted response.  I  felt insulted, and that Dudeism was insulted.  I think she realized her mistake, because the thread is no longer there!

Anyone else have this happen?

That might be a chance for a wise word from the dude; AKA, "fuck it, can't be bothered by that shit."
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on September 22, 2011, 12:55:25 PM
at what point does a cult become a religion?
with so many dudely ministers surely we are beyond cult status? not that its a bad thing to have cult status, look at Jim Morrison!
i for one noted dudeism as my religion on the recent UK census and when i renew my license next year, am tempted to change my title to rev.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 22, 2011, 01:33:04 PM
You bring up a good point. IMHO, a cult is characterized by it's followers, in that they allow themselves to be brainwashed. And will drink cool-aid without questioning what's in it.  That's why I took offense to being labeled a follower of such ilk.

And hey, welcome milnie - the bar's over there...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on September 22, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Hi milnie, welcome in our beach community, I've had the same thought about putting Rev. On my id card. I should lose it another time first.

Well hominid, I make that distinction between a cult and a sect, but it's probably something like splitting hair. Anyway that's just her opinion so, well, you already know. The problem is that for some people cult and sect are the same thing while in reality are not. There isn't a Sect Minister.

BTW is harry potter a cult too? And the Lord of the Ring? Or was the Ringer?  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on September 23, 2011, 06:07:37 AM
I think it's star trek (with klingon as a recognized real life language somewhere so I hear), star wars (Jediism), and TBL (dudeism) fall far from a cult. Those are more of a cult like following for the fans of them, as well as, the Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, and the Potter series with devout followers (non spiritual sense).  I think that with the many viewpoints that change over time everything is up for grabs.

Sorry your going to have to be clearer here this doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on September 23, 2011, 12:25:15 PM
Uh, so no Lord of the Ringer cult?  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 23, 2011, 02:10:21 PM
Uh, so no Lord of the Ringer cult?  ;D
I can see it now - Lord of the Ringers wearing dirty underwear on their heads. "Shit Heads" I think they'd be called...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on September 23, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
LOL! ;D And we are off and running! ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on September 23, 2011, 05:55:43 PM
I'm worried now that I might have had unprotected sects! ;)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 23, 2011, 06:19:51 PM
Hm - typical for a sects addict...  I'm with ya!!!
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on September 23, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
Is that a come on? Hmmmm... ok I'm game big boy! LOL :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on September 23, 2011, 06:57:27 PM
No, but as they say......................

"A new idea is first ridiculed, then violently opposed, and then excepted as the norm."

"Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into practice with courageous patience."
    ~Hyman Rickover (1900 - 1986)

~thinkingdude

That's a good dude like thought, TD.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on September 24, 2011, 02:03:17 AM
Uh, so no Lord of the Ringer cult?  ;D
I can see it now - Lord of the Ringers wearing dirty underwear on their heads. "Shit Heads" I think they'd be called...

:) :) :) This is splitting my belly, if that's the correct nomenclature.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Zen Dog on September 24, 2011, 06:14:22 PM
They don't have ministers,they have mingers.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on September 25, 2011, 12:46:23 AM
 :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on September 30, 2011, 09:29:32 AM
thanks guys for the welcome. i'm afraid my trips to the bar are a bit to infrequent and then when i am here i forget what i've been talking about!?!
I am nearing the point of making my special lady friend my special lady wife and at a wedding fair (DO NOT GO IN SOBER!) i was asked if i had a minister, to which i automatically replied i was one. the lady did adopt a somewhat confused expression when i stated the religion and then thought i was joking.
as much as i detest celebrity endorsements, where's a Tom Cruise when you need one? someone to keep us in the public eye?
on second thoughts, maybe mr cruise is not a good example of how to promote a religion ;-)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on September 30, 2011, 09:48:02 AM
I was just recently accused of being in a cult by a relative (on a Facebook post no less). I wanted to throw a coffee cup at her head, so I got out of my own way, poured another glass of wine, and composed a light-hearted response.  I  felt insulted, and that Dudeism was insulted.  I think she realized her mistake, because the thread is no longer there!

Anyone else have this happen?

At the risk of bringing this thread back on line:

Robert Anton Wilson: The Difference Between Cults & Religions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOnDbdHGAeo)

Quote from: Robert Anton Wilson

"The difference is the number of members and the size of the bank account"


Also listen for some interesting insight into his meeting with Ayn Rand that we discussed (http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2493.0) a while ago.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on September 30, 2011, 09:49:16 AM

...as much as i detest celebrity endorsements, where's a Tom Cruise when you need one? someone to keep us in the public eye?


I thought Oliver was our poster boy (and media whore)!

;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 30, 2011, 11:54:04 AM
It seems that any (all?) religious endorsements by movie stars all point to Scientology, a known whacko cult. Not sure I'd want the same judgement; you know how people's minds work... "Oh, Brad Pit belongs to Dudeism? I *knew* there was something strange about him!"
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on September 30, 2011, 12:22:52 PM

... "Oh, Brad Pit belongs to Dudeism? I *knew* there was something strange about him!"


Has anyone asked him if he wants to join?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Zen Dog on September 30, 2011, 04:34:39 PM
I was once accused of being a cunt. Is that similar?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Zen Dog on September 30, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
I was once accused of being a cunt. Is that similar?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on September 30, 2011, 05:17:53 PM
The word is "Vagina", to use the parlance of our times...

VAGINA - does that work make you uncomfortable, Mr. Lebowski?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Kit on October 13, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
So far everyone that I've told has been very accepting of my conversion to Dudeism.

They usually are very attentive when I explain that it's mashup of Taoism and Philosophy borrowed from TBL.

And yes "Vagina" is the correct parlance of our times Gentle Dudes.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 14, 2011, 01:07:15 AM
That floats my boat.

VAGINA!!!
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 14, 2011, 03:25:59 AM
And yes "Vagina" is the correct parlance of our times Gentle Dudes.

Amen!  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 14, 2011, 04:06:33 AM
Though one must ask if we are dude like and relaxed slackers can we, as dudeists, be insulted? Is not the answer to an insult the very dude like response of "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man."
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 14, 2011, 09:43:35 AM
Though one must ask if we are dude like and relaxed slackers can we, as dudeists, be insulted? Is not the answer to an insult the very dude like response of "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man."
As true as that is, I still *felt* insulted for the sake of my compeers. The accuser now has a clear understanding of what Dudeism is, but it took a bit of back'n forth...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 14, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
Though one must ask if we are dude like and relaxed slackers can we, as dudeists, be insulted? Is not the answer to an insult the very dude like response of "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man."

Well, you know, sometimes isn't that easy but this is surely the dude way to go. :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 14, 2011, 01:39:42 PM
Here's to the Crazy Ones

Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits. The rebels.
The troublemakers. The round
pegs in the square holes - the
ones who see things differently.
They're not fond of rules and
they have no respect for
the status quo. You can praise
them, disagree with them,
quote them, disbelieve them,
glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing that you
can't do is ignore them.
Because they change things.
- Jack Kerouac
quoted in an Apple Computer Ad, 1997

Sorry for all the quotes dudes...I just transferred a file from my old computer and found a whole bunch of these suckers hiding in it! ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 14, 2011, 01:47:48 PM
Fucking A, dude, very interesting and so true. I must read something about Jack Kerouac, never did but seems interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on October 14, 2011, 03:59:28 PM
The only book you will need is "on the road" my friend. If you can get the unabridged first draft it's the best.

He wrote it on one single scroll of typewriter paper....I seen the original scroll when it went on tour a couple of years ago and was in the Forum in Norwich. Awsome stuff dude.

Peace.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 14, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Though one must ask if we are dude like and relaxed slackers can we, as dudeists, be insulted? Is not the answer to an insult the very dude like response of "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man."

Well, you know, sometimes isn't that easy but this is surely the dude way to go. :)

This is true, dude; sometimes we all feel like pulling a piece out on the lane. The inner Walter comes out.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 15, 2011, 02:36:48 AM
The only book you will need is "on the road" my friend. If you can get the unabridged first draft it's the best.

He wrote it on one single scroll of typewriter paper....I seen the original scroll when it went on tour a couple of years ago and was in the Forum in Norwich. Awsome stuff dude.

Peace.

Thanks CD, I'll get a copy and read it, well, after I read Siddharta which I already have, and Life in the Woods. These days I'm not the reader I was before. Oh well.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 15, 2011, 02:46:09 AM
Though one must ask if we are dude like and relaxed slackers can we, as dudeists, be insulted? Is not the answer to an insult the very dude like response of "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man."

Well, you know, sometimes isn't that easy but this is surely the dude way to go. :)

This is true, dude; sometimes we all feel like pulling a piece out on the lane. The inner Walter comes out.

Well, it must also be noted that sometimes, sometimes, pulling a piece out on the lane is the right thing to do. On League Games only though. :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 15, 2011, 03:33:35 AM
Based on what ethos? Certainly not Dudeism...

Shoosh...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 15, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
Based on what ethos? Certainly not Dudeism...

Shoosh...

Maybe Walterism  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on October 15, 2011, 12:40:17 PM
That's a great quote from Kerouac.

The Dude cannot be insulted, because he has no ego.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 15, 2011, 01:02:28 PM

The Dude cannot be insulted, because he has no ego.

Fabulous dude...fabulous! 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 15, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
That's a great quote from Kerouac.

The Dude cannot be insulted, because he has no ego.

Ahh yes, if only it were true........

"Leads, ha ha ha ha, leads!! Ha ha, we got the boys in the crime lab workin' in shifts! Leads!" ....the dude definitely looked insulted to me by the cop, and on many other occasions.

But good point, dude; though I think the dude perhaps aspired to be ego-less, he was imperfect as we all are, and surcome to his natural dudeness buy being real many times, with a real ego, even if said ego was his own creation. I don't personally believe that being dude like equals being "ego-less."

I don't go for all of that "get rid of your ego," stuff. I see that as legalistic Buddhism, another demand on a dude claiming some nebulous benefit. The ego is as part of you as is your nose, to try and be "ego-less" is like saying be "nose-less;" you are denying a valid part of what you are. To achieve enlightenment, perhaps we could call it "dudeist enlightenment," I would say embrace your ego and everything that it is; it's part of you and should be celebrated. Be who you are, and being with an ego is part of you. The only way to get rid of your ego, if that is your thing, is to embrace it fully!

Unfortunately, many "Eastern things" put dudes on a treadmill trying "get rid of their ego," fuck that bullshit, all that is accomplished is dead religion, formulas, rules and regulations, legalistic nonsense AND the ole' "I'm better than you because I have the "ego-less state." The ole' one upmanship game. I just can't be bothered with that shit, life goes on, man...with my ego.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT982ANqfv6Tp3RfCIoFdEq7QomzTfRL29OewL0xL1mNYMmA4A4)

Get outta that car!!!

IMHO  :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: TulsaDudeistChick on October 15, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
My religion status on Facebook has been "Dudeist" for at least 2 years. When I became ordained in the Church of the Latter-Day Dude a month ago, I added that to my profile. The ex-husband must have noticed the change & is being very unDude.  He's agitated & accusing me of raising our 15 yr old in "a cult" or "mocking Christianity".  My response was "You belong to a cult that protects pederasts - I belong to one that only bowls with them."  (Yes, I am a former Catholic but he's a convert -- the worst kind!)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 16, 2011, 01:05:46 AM
My response was "You belong to a cult that protects pederasts - I belong to one that only bowls with them."

Classic!! Great response!! Far fucking out, TDC.  ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/classic/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 16, 2011, 03:52:39 AM
Based on what ethos? Certainly not Dudeism...

Shoosh...

Based on the ethos that sometimes they bust your frigging aggets. That kind of unchecked aggression. :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 16, 2011, 04:03:06 AM
My response was "You belong to a cult that protects pederasts - I belong to one that only bowls with them."

Great and correct answer. It all goes down to money. If one of those men with the black pajamas has sex with a female it can happen that she could ask for being recognized for retirement benefits in case of man's death. Much worse if they have children. It costs much less if they go the pederasts' way. Fuc***g nihilists. They want to keep the money inside the "church". The real reason why men with the black pajamas can't marry. Money.

That's why they are so stressed, no vagina. Imho.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on October 16, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
the dude definitely looked insulted to me by the cop, and on many other occasions.

But good point, dude; though I think the dude perhaps aspired to be ego-less, but he was imperfect as we all are, and surcome to his natural dudeness buy being real many times, with a real ego, even if said ego was his own creation. I don't personally believe that being dude like equals being "ego-less."

It seems to me that the Dude just doesn't understand why the cop would act like that. The Dude has done nothing to earn this treatment. I don't know if he is annoyed, insulted, or just saddened by this cop who has to make jokes at anothers expense to create his own happiness. Either way, I don't see as to how this means the Dude has an id. No one wants to be treated like crap or disrespected, but it is how the Dude handles these situations that shows his egoless-ness. He flows like water, while Walter turns all situations of ego into a fight.

I have been trying to reduce my ego since I first read about Taoism. It really works for me. I am obviously not ego-less, as only a true sage can be (The Dude?), but it helps me to not care as much when someone is shitty to me, or when someone doesn't like my clothes or long hair. It means I don't need a fancy car, a big house, or an "important" job or any or those materialistic things to be at peace in this world. If ones goal is to play the ol' one upmanship game, then they have missed the point, and are probably walking around with a big ol' ego.

Below is the site that started me down the path of Tao, and eventually led my to Dudeism. Some really good reading out there if you have the time and the interest.

http://www.taoism.net/theway/ego.htm

I should add that I don't know anything, nor am I saying you or anyone else is wrong. Just my opinions and observations. I may also be trying to bend the Dude into what I want him to be, and what I aspire to be. Which kinda sounds like my ego getting in the way!  ;)


Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 16, 2011, 12:40:19 PM
My religion status on Facebook has been "Dudeist" for at least 2 years. When I became ordained in the Church of the Latter-Day Dude a month ago, I added that to my profile. The ex-husband must have noticed the change & is being very unDude.  He's agitated & accusing me of raising our 15 yr old in "a cult" or "mocking Christianity".  My response was "You belong to a cult that protects pederasts - I belong to one that only bowls with them."  (Yes, I am a former Catholic but he's a convert -- the worst kind!)
TDC - I can relate! I've seen it all - and the converts are the worst to deal with, because they have dumped their entire belief system for another one, so they think YOU should too. Although in this day and age, converting to Catholicism is almost unheard of.  Perhaps his new special lady is a zealot too.  One never knows...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 16, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
@Andrea Da Fino, @Dirty Hippie, @Hominid - Good thoughts, dudes. Far out. This is a topic that should be looked deeper into; that is the concept of the "ego" and what role it plays in Dudeism. I personally embrace my ego in the parlance of my times, others have differing point of views, and I think we need more of this kind of exploration into dudeism in the chat room.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 16, 2011, 04:28:04 PM
The only problem I have with the notion of letting go of one's ego is:  What exactly is it that thinks it is letting something go?  The ego don't go... not for long, at least.  At best, it's a boomerang.  And as we all know, boomerangs are hunting implements.  So when yer chucking yer ego, make sure you're in an open field, or maybe a room of nihilists.  Eggo, on the other hand, needs to be leggo-of, especially if it's someone elses.  Lego should be shared.  But don't get syrup on it. ...Aw.  I lost my train of thought...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 16, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Oh No You Don't! I am Not getting dragged back into this all over again!...I'm not...I'm Not...I'm NOT!
Ok...maybe just to say this...it is Not letting go of the ego...but in recognizing your ego for what it is...then Surrendering it.
We each are Observers of our own Reality. No two minds observe the very same Reality. No two minds will ever completely agree on everything.

But we can't worry about that shit...life goes on...8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 16, 2011, 04:42:49 PM
Exactly, it's just a game, man.  Mark it 8,  mark it 0, stop keeping score... roll the ball.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 16, 2011, 09:17:17 PM
Yeah dude...that's the ticket...roll the ball. 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 16, 2011, 09:44:17 PM
Yeah dude...that's the ticket...roll the ball. 8)

Damn right. Fuck it dudes, let's get us a lane!
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 16, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
ya, don't let them heavy people's egos weigh ya down!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTP0Lt779E
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 17, 2011, 02:43:04 AM
My religion status on Facebook has been "Dudeist" for at least 2 years. When I became ordained in the Church of the Latter-Day Dude a month ago, I added that to my profile. The ex-husband must have noticed the change & is being very unDude.  He's agitated & accusing me of raising our 15 yr old in "a cult" or "mocking Christianity".  My response was "You belong to a cult that protects pederasts - I belong to one that only bowls with them."  (Yes, I am a former Catholic but he's a convert -- the worst kind!)
TDC - I can relate! I've seen it all - and the converts are the worst to deal with, because they have dumped their entire belief system for another one, so they think YOU should too. Although in this day and age, converting to Catholicism is almost unheard of.  Perhaps his new special lady is a zealot too.  One never knows...
Yeah these times they are all going toward Islam, Catholicism isn't anymore a nice religion for fanatics. Too loose probably.  :-[
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
Thanks DB. Actually is not only about Ego, which can be controlled or kept down but it's always there, it's part of us. It's like the fact that usually a Dude is pacific but not a pacifist. This is not Nam but neither wonderland nor dudeland. The fact that we are dudeists doesn't make us saps otherwise you go into the field of caring really about nothing because you never draw a line in the sand. And that becomes nihilism and not Dudeism. Imho obviously.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 17, 2011, 05:19:59 AM
Thanks DB. Actually is not only about Ego, which can be controlled or kept down but it's always there, it's part of us. It's like the fact that usually a Dude is pacific but not a pacifist. This is not Nam but neither wonderland nor dudeland. The fact that we are dudeists doesn't make us saps otherwise you go into the field of caring really about nothing because you never draw a line in the sand. And that becomes nihilism and not Dudeism. Imho obviously.  8)

Good point, AD; people often mistake the Dude's slacking and laid back outlook on life for a kind of "nihilism," or caring about or believing in nothing. That was hardly the way of the Dude. He was a person of deep beliefs and convictions. My earlier point is that the Dude definitely had an ego seen as he blurts out "just stay away from my fucking lady friend" the dude demands. He was capable of being upset and insulted. Remember "they're gonna kill that poor women," the Dude is upset and insulted as Walter tries to play down the Dude's reaction.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_U55RTlK8o

(http://bayflicks.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/big_lebowski1.jpg)

As always, all IMHO  :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 17, 2011, 01:14:15 PM
Well, Dude, you're right. I think we need an ego as much as we need Walter sometimes. We just have to keep a healthy Ego and not an asshole one. Even bamboo plants have an inner strength, not the strength of an oak but strength nevertheless. And btw if we have an ego it means that there is a reason for it, it's part of ourselves. It just has to be managed well reminding ourselves that we are just a grain of sand.

 ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 17, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Well, Dude, you're right. I think we need an ego as much as we need Walter sometimes. We just have to keep a healthy Ego and not an asshole one. Even bamboo plants have an inner strength, not the strength of an oak but strength nevertheless. And btw if we have an ego it means that there is a reason for it, it's part of ourselves. It just has to be managed well reminding ourselves that we are just a grain of sand.

 ;D

Far fucking out, ADF, all good thoughts. Someday maybe all of this "holy writ" will be in a history book concerning early Dudeism thought and the beginnings of Dudesim.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Zen Dog on October 17, 2011, 07:50:26 PM
Perception and opinion dudes,perception and opinion.Things look the way they do depending on where you're standing.
And on a load of other stuff.
If you are a true dude,and this is like just my opinion,well I look at a dude and ask myself,is this a dude in development or is this a rug pisser or pederast?
You know,sometimes you have to have some generosity and try and nurture uptight dudes.We can't all be cool.Shit happens.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 17, 2011, 09:50:23 PM
Things look the way they do depending on where you're standing.

Good thought, dude; very true. We all see things from different points of view. And seeing things from various points of view I'm hoping will be one of the natural tenets of Dudeism.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 17, 2011, 10:23:06 PM
Dare I interject with a timely quote:

"Henceforth, my dear philosophers, let us be on guard against the dangerous old conceptual fiction that posited a "pure, will-less, painless, timeless knowing subject"; let us guard against the snares of such contradictory concepts as "pure reason," "absolute spirituality," "knowledge in itself":  These always demand that we should think of an eye that is completely unthinkable, an eye turned in no particular direction, in which the active and interpreting forces, through which alone seeing becomes seeing something, are supposed to be lacking; these always demand of the eye an absurdity and a nonsense.  There is only a perspective seeing, only a perspective "knowing"; and the more affects we allow to speak about one thing, the more eyes, different eyes, we can use to observe one thing, the more complete will our "concept" of this thing, our "objectivity," be.  But to eliminate the will altogether, to suspend each and every affect, supposing we were capable of this--what would that mean but to castrate the intellect?-- " (Freddy Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals)

...and we all know a man needs a pair of testicles... (I'm pretty sure dudes of a vaginal persuasion could replace that with spay  ;))
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 17, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
Things look the way they do depending on where you're standing.

Good thought, dude; very true. We all see things from different points of view. And seeing things from various points of view I'm hoping will be one of the natural tenets of Dudeism.
Well... that depends on how far you take it.  Not to be a reactionary, but groups (religions, tribes, friendship circles) all survive on a commonly agreed-upon set of loosely-held  rules, or perhaps even an ethos. Like: it's not nice to eat babies or con people out of their money. It's cool to go bowling, cooking classes, cult movies...  The point of view of the cannibalist is different than the Dudeist or Lebowskian. Hence the need for definition (NOT dogma), but at least something that doesn't include "anything goes" cause it's protected by this point of view that everyone has their point of view. Actually, isn't "political correctness" the term?  I'm not accusing anyone here, just stating a point.

Fuck, I can't believe I just typed that...  am I being an asshole?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 17, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
Things look the way they do depending on where you're standing.

Good thought, dude; very true. We all see things from different points of view. And seeing things from various points of view I'm hoping will be one of the natural tenets of Dudeism.


Fuck, I can't believe I just typed that...  am I being an asshole?

No, you're not, you bring up a very good point; that of wanting to have a religion of as much freedom of thought as possible and the need for at least some guild lines or philosophy that helps to bring at least some structure at the same time. Not an easy fence to balance on.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 18, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
Total freedom tends to anarchy and no freedom tends to nazism. No rules means that everyone is right whatever he does, too many rules and except the ruler and his accolites and no one is right. As DB says it's a matter of finding the right balance and as Bruce Lee said it's a matter of going toward less and not more. We all know what happens when things get complicated but we all should know what happens when there are no rules and everyone think he's right. You begin pissing on other rugs and stepping into others' gardens.

It might be that I'm not as dude as I should but even Taoism has guidelines, or tenets, or whatever you want to call them. Whatever exists is part of Tao but this doesn't mean that whatever exists is Taoist. Otherwise becomes dude even Lebowski, the man on the wheelchair and Jesus Quintana. Hey, this is a religion of freedom so everything you do is cool. But that's not Dudeism.

What is important is to have as less rules as possible but there should be rules just to avoid nihilists and real reactionaries to say "I'm a Dude anyway". And to make easier to be a Dude. Having a little set of rules is a must, imho.

Just look at Christian Dudes, they just have to treat others as they would like to be treated and believe that there is just one Good Lord whatever they call him and they're done. I think it makes sense and makes things easy. But as usual that's just my opinion without any intention to offend anyone, especially those who got crazy anytime someone mentions JCD.  8)

Btw, with the total freedom thing, even those who have created on purpose the worldwide economic crisis and those who defend them could consider themselves dudes. No rules and everything you do is right. Too many rules and you become a fundamentalist. It's a matter of balance, harmony, equilibrium and listening to whale sounds plus when in doubt asking to ourselves what would the dude do.  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 18, 2011, 03:42:13 AM
No shit. Now I get why religions of the past both gain a following, and garner opposition.

Unless of course, you're just a dude who says "Bummer... not interested in your dogma. Grab an oat soda, pull up a rug, and join our beach community.  Fuck the nihilists." Perhaps tenets of Dudeism shouldn't exist. Kinda like the statement - "We preach that we shouldn't preach." It's as if Dudeiem shouldn't have been called a religion in the first place. (Sorry Ben.)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 18, 2011, 07:22:12 AM
Total freedom tends to anarchy and no freedom tends to nazism.

A small point but no freedom tends to totalitarianism, not nazism. Nazis were totaliitarian, not all totalitarians are Nazis.

National Socialism (Nazism) was an ethos.

No rules means that everyone is right whatever he does,

Isn't that free market economics?

too many rules and except the ruler and his accolites and no one is right.

Quote from: The Tao Te Ching Translation by Gia Fu Feng & Jane English

The more laws and restrictions there are,
The poorer people become.
The sharper men's weapons,
The more trouble in the land.


One of my favourite versions of the Tao Te Ching, (http://www.thebigview.com/download/tao-te-ching-illustrated.pdf) download-able for free (the pictures are not as many or as large as the print version but its free, and it still has a lot of the lovely calligraphy).
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 18, 2011, 08:18:38 AM
Thankee for the Tao Te Ching meekon5...thankee very much. 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 18, 2011, 01:11:05 PM
You're right meekon, I messed up things a little, thanks for the clarification and for the link to the Tao.

I don't like to have many rules as well as I don't like to have no rules. In society and in religion. In society because without rules you're just a step away from the law of the jungle and in religion because the everything is cool approach for me doesn't work on the distance. Having some rules or tenets also helps each one of us to know if we are behaving in a dudely way of life.

It might be that I'm strange, or uptight, but that's how I see things. As an example some time ago on the forum there has been some flames going around: from the everything is cool point of view everyone involved was a dude but imho from the point of view of Dudeism it was not. I don't know if it makes sense but sometimes I just hope to know English better than I do. Oh well.

Anyway my point of view is that how can we say we are dudes and behave like dudes and tend to be a real dude in real life if we don't know what being a dude means and each one of us has a different opinion on what being a dude means? That's why principles or tenets are needed. Also in the future it could prevent nihilists and reactionaries from entering the church and throwing the plane on the mountain. It happened to almost every religion of the world so it can happen also to ours.

My opinion is that the principles or basis of Dudeism and Taoism are eternal but Dudeism as a religion starts and ends with what the dudely llama says. We can talk for eons about it and it surely helps to clarify things but as a religion the final word belongs to Oliver. He's the one who got the idea and he's the one who can say what belongs and what does not to Dudeism. Let's just hope he's immortal even if he's not able yet to walk on water.  :D

Dudeism is a religion, is a church, is a spiritual practice and as such Dudeism is a clear thing. Water can be a gas, water can be a solid and water can be a liquid but it always remains water. Not beer, not wine and not something else. Water is water just like Dudeism is Dudeism. And the fact that I want to see water for something else doesn't change the fact that water remains water.

Always my opinion dudes.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 18, 2011, 01:58:04 PM
Good post ADF - I'm with you about Oliver's authority. Now, in my opinion, creating a religion out of a movie means that the intent was to be not so serious about it. It's all tongue-in-cheek. It's a frikin' movie. The religion itself is meant to be a light-hearted poke at others who take religion too seriously. Which is the central ethos of Dudeism... just takin' it easy. We preach that we shouldn't preach.

To quote an on-line article, "the Dude's way has surfaced in various spiritual traditions, the Abide Guide explains, including Christianity, Sufism, John Lennonism and Fo'-Shizzle-my-Nizzilism, to name but a few."

See my point?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 18, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
Oliver? We just keep him around because he's useful...you know pays the bills..keeps the lights on. 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 19, 2011, 12:16:25 AM
I see your point dude, which is correct. I don't think Dudeism is a joke though but a real tool to be used in real life and a good religion. Now, I know a lot of people don't dig the word religion but even if someone wants to call it differently every human being has his own religion because every human beings believes in something, even nihilists, and what we believe in is our personal religion. When it's shared by more than one person it becomes a common religion.

For some is science, for some is point of view, or system of beliefs, or little green men from mars, or nothing, or whatever. Everyone has a religion and Dudeism is ours. Religion, even if some are not comfortable with the word and prefer the term spiritual philosophy. Anyway this sometimes makes me wondering why they joined a religion if just the word makes them uncomfortable, well, I don't know. It might be that they misunderstood us for a movie fan club.

So hominid dude you're perfectly right, our goal is to remind people from all religions that religion isn't a serious affair and everything should be taken easy. But not seriously and easy do not mean joke, imho.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 19, 2011, 12:30:10 AM
Fuckin' eh, grab an oat soda, or a caucasian, let's find ourselves a lane. It's a bummer when we take ourselves too seriously, right? I do it too often, so I like how the Dude's ethos peaces me out.  I'd hate to end up like Donny...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 19, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
Oliver? We just keep him around because he's useful...you know pays the bills..keeps the lights on. 8)

I see, you mean a kind of handyman?  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 19, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
Fuckin' eh, grab an oat soda, or a caucasian, let's find ourselves a lane. It's a bummer when we take ourselves too seriously, right? I do it too often, so I like how the Dude's ethos peaces me out.  I'd hate to end up like Donny...

@Hominid  ........Fuckin' eh is right. I find that getting a lane and saying "fuck it, I'm going bowling," if even in my mind, helps to keep me limber and in peace. Lotta ins and lotta outs in this world, too much for the ole' duder to handle sometimes.

@M5 ........good find dude, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 19, 2011, 12:43:09 AM
Fuckin' eh, grab an oat soda, or a caucasian, let's find ourselves a lane. It's a bummer when we take ourselves too seriously, right? I do it too often, so I like how the Dude's ethos peaces me out.  I'd hate to end up like Donny...
Fucking right dude, mark it 8. Dudeism helps us remain sane, at least a little. The world "forces" us to become uptight and Dudeism is the right antidote. Fucking A! :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 19, 2011, 12:51:01 AM
The monkey has been fed with all yer blathering... I'll sleep peacefully tonight knowing our ethos has not been crashed into the mountain.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 19, 2011, 01:59:37 AM
An excellent post Andrea.

I can see what your saying, and do see the worth of having a few rules. Problem would be deciding and apply the rules.

Also I could not disagree more with this statement:

...We can talk for eons about it and it surely helps to clarify things but as a religion the final word belongs to Oliver. He's the one who got the idea and he's the one who can say what belongs and what does not to Dudeism. Let's just hope he's immortal even if he's not able yet to walk on water.  :D

And I know Oliver would disagree completely with you as well.

Oliver is not the Pope. His was the idea, but the religion has become much more than the idea.

Much like the "problem" you alluded to recently:

It might be that I'm strange, or uptight, but that's how I see things. As an example some time ago on the forum there has been some flames going around: from the everything is cool point of view everyone involved was a dude but imho from the point of view of Dudeism it was not. I don't know if it makes sense but sometimes I just hope to know English better than I do. Oh well.

I personally consulted Oliver with my own concerns on the problem. His response was suitably Dudeist but none interventionist.

I think it is important to understand Oliver is not the Headmaster.

Notice how infrequently he posts as Forum Dude.

He is happy for us to regulate ourselves and for DB and CC to administer the site, and leave the legislation to those of us who have been here for a while.

That's his attitude to the religion as well.

If you doubt me, just ask him yourself.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 19, 2011, 02:30:57 AM
Here's a rule:  bend it.



If the rule don't bend, then it's dudencity is in question.  Yes?

Kinda like the bodhisattva rule of having eventually to break your ownmost cherished vow.  Only, rather than cherishing the rule, and thus making it unbendable (ergo breakable), one learns how to flex with the flow.

In short, don't rely on linguistic contrivances; there ain't no answer worth absolutely swearing upon, there's just the question of the quest...

Laziness applies its own form of effort, even as the limp noodle does not break when dropped.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 19, 2011, 06:57:50 AM
You're right meekon, I messed up things a little, thanks for the clarification and for the link to the Tao.


Actually Andrea it's a common mistake, not a problem with the way you were presenting the idea here.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on October 19, 2011, 05:37:43 PM
i always enjoy reading posts like those that have gone before as it fills me with a joy that any member of our community can pitch in with simple thoughts and get  profound results.

dudeism is an idea and like any idea is open to free questioning with no dogma to tie it down.

you can skim the surface or dive deep down to find the answers. in tbl, you have walter who is a deep downer, donnie who skims the surface, and the dude who,,,well who knows  where the dude floats.

i hope as i write more on these pages my insights may become more involving but for now i think i will stay at the top and surf the waves like donnie. keep it simple. which is what i think the donnie character was about. the embodiment of simple, an important part of the dudely way.

enough from me, i'll catch the next wave to the beach and order an oat soda from the bar  :)

take it easy guys
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 20, 2011, 01:16:18 AM
M5, I don't doubt you, and I dig the way the forum is organized. Works pretty well. The point was that without common ground, accepted features, tenets, etc., (I don't have a big enough vocabulary, pick the definition you like most :)) everyone can say I'm a dude, which is not. Like in your example of the dudeist cannibal or dudeist pederast. We talk about being dudes, but the world isn't full of dudes, it's full of nihilists which would be very pleased to screw our asses.

As for Olly, he's surely able to take care of himself. And as regards the philosophy of Dudeism you're probably right, it belongs to everyone. But no one would take the place of Lao Tzu. He laid down part of the principles of Taoism, he and not someone else. And, even if as a philosophy is universal dudeism as an organized-disorganized religion has a head of the church which is Olly.

He's not the Pope but I see things this way. He's the boss, well, sort of.
It's a bit difficult to put together the concept of a group of free thinkers with being under the same umbrella but that's a feature of Dudeism. If we go on each one having his own idea of Dudeism we'll arrive nowhere. I mean we'll help ourselves but little more. And if we think that dudeism could help more people than a common agreement and sort of effort is needed.

I think that Dudeism needs to be loosely organized and as an organization the boss is Olly. Not me and not anyone else.

Actually I'm having a bit of language difficulties explaining my opinion. To give an example Jedi Knights are pretty much walking their own way within the Force but they follow the advices of Yoda as a group.

Or, said differently, you can be a dudeist living the way of the Dude (not the movie character though, the dude way as we see it) your own way or you can be a Dudeist Priest and you belongs to a religious organization whose "boss" is Oliver. That's how I se Dudeism.

My personal point of view on Dudeism anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 20, 2011, 02:07:30 AM
M5, I don't doubt you, and I dig the way the forum is organized. Works pretty well. The point was that without common ground, accepted features, tenets, etc.,

I completely agree with this point we do need some framework so that when some nihilist represents themselves as a Dudeist we can disclaim any association.

But no one would take the place of Lao Tzu. He laid down part of the principles of Taoism, he and not someone else. And, even if as a philosophy is universal dudeism as an organized-disorganized religion has a head of the church which is Olly.

A good example, but only because I believe you are wrong. Lao Tzu did not lead Taoism.

By the legend he was leaving China behind in disgust and the last gate keeper at the last gate in the great wall begged him for one last insight. In reply he wrote down the Tao Te Ching.

Taoism was built around that text and developed by people other than Lao Tzu (http://www.taopage.org/laotzu/).

I think that Dudeism needs to be loosely organized and as an organization the boss is Olly. Not me and not anyone else.

Actually read Olly's posts. The last thing he wants is to be the boss. And in no way should he be. Again he came up with the name for the way a lot of us have acted all our lives. Dudeism is the title I use for others who need a title to use to explain the way I am.

I think that
Actually I'm having a bit of language difficulties explaining my opinion.

Please I greatly respect the fact that you are able to do this and continue to debate in a language other than your own first langage. I have to admit at University I could have done this in German, French, and a bit of Dutch, but, much to my embarrassment, have let all that slip due to not using it.

I think that
To give an example Jedi Knights are pretty much walking their own way within the Force but they follow the advices of Yoda as a group.

I'm glad you give this example because again I feel you are entirely wrong.

In the first three films (IV, V, IV) Yoda is one of the few Jedi left and is referred to because he was Obi Wan's teacher.

If you look at the second three films (I, II, III), you will notice that Yoda is a respected member of the Jedi Council (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_High_Council) (or the Jedi High Council (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY1qmjoxg_E)). He is not the head of the religion. (the Jedi council advise the Chancellor of the Republic, or The Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, the President of the Republic).

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/6262524683_53cc69828f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/6262524683/)
Jedi_Council_Meeting (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/6262524683/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

Yoda does not lead the Jedi alone until he is the only Jedi left.

This is how I see us here. We are the deacons (all of us, including Oliver) of Dudeism. It is here that we forge Dudeism in all it's aspects. we are the Dudeist Council.

I have to stop for the moment because I am now late for work.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 20, 2011, 02:16:18 AM
Fuck... um - a little anal?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 20, 2011, 02:29:27 AM
Fuck... um - a little anal?

Yes but still making the point that Oliver's word is not law, and shouldn't be.

Sorry but as a dyslexic I do tend towards pedantry (though an advantage in my profession a bit difficult when talking to none disabled people).

 ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 20, 2011, 02:32:21 AM
...and perhaps a little too involved in the intricacies of a religion started as a tongue-in-cheek parody?

Bummer man. Or am I missing a REALLY huge Monty Pythong thing?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 20, 2011, 06:05:00 AM
...and perhaps a little too involved in the intricacies of a religion started as a tongue-in-cheek parody?

Actually there's where the problem is I think.

To a number of us this isn't "a tongue-in-cheek parody".

This is a serious attempt to reconcile our understanding and practice of Taoism, Zen, and possibly a number of other eastern influences into a workable frame of reference to practice as westerners what we see as a dynamic and on going religion.

I personally think there is a lot of confusion between parody and the religious concept of the holy fool, or the Laughing Buddha.

You may also have missed the extensive discussions on Abideism (http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2600.msg23757#msg23757).

It's something that is often stated (mostly by you, Me and Rev Dog), but alas, the Lebowskiian ideals seem to have root in the masses.  I think we all know that 130,000 people did not get ordained out of a true belief in Dudeism, but as a tribute to a cult movie.

This was what the Abidism movement was about, to develop pure dudeism without the Lebowski baggage.  Of course, in an effort to downplay Lebowski in Dudeism it set off the people who assumed that to do things without Lebowski was "too serious", and then people complained it was all heavy and serious, to which I responded with "well don't read it then".

I'm sorry if you joined this forum expecting a piss take of a major religion, but thats not what it is about (on the whole).

It's not actually Olivers little club for having a laugh (though laughter and piss taking are not frowned upon, and in fact part of the whole thing).

It is a serious attempt to step away from the formulated and restrictive practices of other religions, but still accept there is a need for some form of spirituality.

I understand you may have looked across the majority of the site and easily confused what was happening here.

I also see that you would have been confused by the seriousness and commitment of myself and others in recent spats about what (from the "tongue-in-cheek parody" point of view) would appear to be inconsequential and unimportant points.

I have no problem with you not taking any of this seriously, that's your business, and you're entitled to that point of view, but do try to understand some of us (most of us who are regular posters) are here for a basically serious undertaking.

Which is what I mean when I see that Oliver may have started the whole thing as "a tongue-in-cheek parody", but unfortunately a few of us seem to have taken him seriously.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 20, 2011, 07:01:03 AM
Could this be a meeting of the Counsel of Dudes perhaps a couple thousand years from now on planet Dudetopia? Subject matter in debate; "is this not Nam, what are the fucking rules?" And, after the meeting; a few burgers, a few beers, are troubles are over dudes, let's get us a lane and roll a few.........

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/6262524683_53cc69828f.jpg)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on October 20, 2011, 08:07:08 AM
Well Dudes, I just don't know. Whether you find this all to be Bunny's tongue between yer cheeks or a religion or what have you? Hmmm....

I feel that Dudeism, like Taoism, is closer to a philosophy then a religion. I don't find any of this to be "spiritual", but more so mental. A guide to living your life, not a practice of worship and spirituality and all that.

But hey, you should take from it what you wish. If the Llama doesn't wanna be an overseer or a pope and lay it all out in commandments, then why are we trying to?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 20, 2011, 08:45:54 AM
I feel that Dudeism, like Taoism, is closer to a philosophy then a religion. I don't find any of this to be "spiritual", but more so mental. A guide to living your life, not a practice of worship and spirituality and all that.

I am of course using the term religion in the eastern sense so agree with you here.

But do feel that elements of the tao are spiritual.

But not in the christian (Freudian oedipal) "god is daddy and will sort everything out for you, especially if you pray hard enough to him" sense.

More in the "the Tao is the is the combined effect of the big machine (universe, cosmos, multi-verse) working the way it's always worked but you have become sentient as a cog in a watch that can see the watch moving and changing but whoa betide you if you try to stand against the flow of the mechanism, so don't bother and go with the flow anyway" sense.

But not in a "crying in the corner whining that I can't do anything with my life because it's all preordained and to change anything would be to go against the status quo" sense.

More in "the big machine is effected by and effects the choices I make and the place I am at now, but it's ultimately up to me to make that choice, and my decision is mine not anyone else's" sense.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 20, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
Well Dudes, I just don't know. Whether you find this all to be Bunny's tongue between yer cheeks or a religion or what have you? Hmmm....

I feel that Dudeism, like Taoism, is closer to a philosophy then a religion. I don't find any of this to be "spiritual", but more so mental. A guide to living your life, not a practice of worship and spirituality and all that.

But hey, you should take from it what you wish. If the Llama doesn't wanna be an overseer or a pope and lay it all out in commandments, then why are we trying to?

I hear ya, but by its very intent and presentation, it's a church (Latter Day Dude), and a religion (Quoting Oliver: "I always wanted to start my own religion"). We're all ordained priests.  Don't call it something it isn't.

I'll say it again: it's a parody based on a cult movie. Making it something WAY more than that is simply taking creative license, and adding to Oliver's original intent of creating a light-hearted tongue-in-cheek "religion". Just look at the humour on the main web page. I'm simply stating something kinda obvious here, and that's my style. I'm just telling it like it is...

And like always, it's just, like, my opinion man...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 21, 2011, 01:23:22 AM
"A good example, but only because I believe you are wrong. Lao Tzu did not lead Taoism."

You're right, but he was the one who made the ball rolling down the spiritual lane. Not Pink Po or Jip Wey or whatever, he was the first one to come out with the new stuff and he's the first roller. 1000 years from now Dudeism will still be distilled by Oliver, and as the first roller he probably has a deeper comprehension of Dudeism. That's as I see it. Also, Lao Tzu didn't lead anything because Taoism is a spiritual philosophy and not a church, we are also a church. That's different.
You can't lead the Tao, the Tao doesn't give you a shit about human beings, but knowing the rules of Tao you can achieve pretty much.


"Actually read Olly's posts. The last thing he wants is to be the boss."

Correct, and I dig his attitude, but he's the head of the church of the latter day dude, with the archdudeship second. While I like freedom as everyone else I understand we need a bit of rules for peaceful living, either in the religious field and in the social one. It doesn't need to be accepted by anyone but as I see it Olly is the head of the church and the wiser man of the philosophy. That's why I think the final word belongs to him.
If Dudeism is a philosophy he is the one who came out with the definition like Eraclito and similar people, whatever thay are called in English. If Dudeism is a church there must be a head of the church otherwise everyone sooner or later thinks that the world starts and stops at our own convenience. We are human beings after all and we all tend to see our point of view as the correct one. So if it's a church he's the head of it. If Dudeism is a concept again he's the one who came out with it and he's probably the best one who can talk about it.

You know, I see Dudeism as a spiritual religion and a church so that's the way it work for me. The day things will change I'll go my way but I won't be anymore a Dudeist. The fact that we haven't much clear now what Dudeism and being a Dudeist mean doesn't change the fact that Dudeism, being a Dudeist or a Dudeist Priest mean a particular thing. As I said above water is water, it isn't wine, it isn't beer; it's water. Dudeism can be applied to everything but not everything is Dudeism. That's Tao, and it's another thing.

Thanks for your compliments about my English usage, but I know I'm a pretty crappy English speaker.  ;D I should have taken the chance when younger to come over there and go to the University, oh well.


"I'm glad you give this example because again I feel you are entirely wrong.

In the first three films (IV, V, IV) Yoda is one of the few Jedi left and is referred to because he was Obi Wan's teacher."

Correct, and as a matter of facts Jedi got screwed because they didn't listen to what Yoda said, that Skywalker was in reality an asshole. If Yoda was the head of the Jedi Knights they would have won before the fight. Human beings tend to resort to leaders only when the plane crashes into the mountain. Then they begin screaming around saying "save me, save me" to someone who knows what to do. Democracy is a cool concept but without a clear "leader" it always ends up with a bunch of people sitting around a table talking of bullshits and eating costly food doing nothing until it's too late. To go back to StarWars if there was no Yoda the council would have remained there talking and talking until they had those fucking Siths behind their back only to go to Yoda sking to be saved. That's human nature.

Not a very good example but the Roman Empire fell when the power was in the hands of the Senate, not the Emperor. When there are 100 people thinking they are all right you know the kind of mess it can be. I am for democracy and freedom but there must be a final word from a wiser man.

Also, let's not forget that is Yoda who leads the Jedi's Army when the shit comes to light.

But that's just how I see Dudeism, a group of mellowly organized free thinkers. As well as religion per se has not a negative meaning but depends on those who follow it the same goes for organization and rules and whatever. We just have to find the right balance between freedom and organization.

As I said before if someone is just a Dudeist that's cool but if someone is a Dudeist Priest there is an organized structure and so on. At the end we are a church. Also, let's not forget that to make the world a bit of a better place we have to reach a certain spiritual weight in the religious field otherwise people around will go on considering Dudeists just a bunch of amateurs who are a movie fan club based on internet.

To give another historical example picked one by one Germans were immense fighters but the superior organization of Roman Army won 9 times over 10. The same went for Scots and British. Sometimes organization is needed and an organized effort is required to reach a certain point.

That's just my opinion, ad sorry if I've lost my train of thoughts somewhere.  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 21, 2011, 01:38:08 AM
A couple of other points:

M5, Oliver word is not law, as regards the philosophy it might be, but as regards the chrch it should be. He's the founder and the head of the church which is a real church even if we don't have yet a physical location. The fact that he listen to everyone doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to say what's cool and what's not about Dudeism. He started this religion so he has the right to do this.

Oh, I'll abandon the seriously silly attitude in favour of the Laughing Buddha's one.


DB, far out, that's what probably would happen in normal times, not with the Black Death approaching.  ;D


DH, you're right, only that the world can't be dealt with just saying take it easy or fuck it. Real life isn't a movie so we are debating  to deepen our own understanding of Dudeism for the benefit of everyone. Also we are thring to understand what is dudeist and what is not. We dig being righteus and thorough dudes in our everyday life.  8)


Homind, it might be your right, it might be not but at the end it's your point of view on Dudeism and that's cool, each one of us has one. Only that if you're right I should begin to think about starting my own religion based on Frankestein Junior.  :D  :D  :D


Ok, I've blathered enough, have a great day dudes.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 21, 2011, 05:27:08 AM
Andrea FYI Eraclito  = Heraclitus

(google translated a greek wiki page to get that one).
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 21, 2011, 01:40:48 PM
Homind, it might be your right, it might be not but at the end it's your point of view on Dudeism and that's cool, each one of us has one. Only that if you're right I should begin to think about starting my own religion based on Frankestein Junior.  :D  :D  :D

Indeed!  Or how about Pulp Fiction? We'd get to carry guns, and every time we're about to cap someone's ass, we get to quote:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee. "

 :D


Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: cckeiser on October 21, 2011, 01:44:48 PM
The world does Not need another Religion...it needs Dudeism...a philosophical way to live life.
Down With Dogma! 8)

Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 22, 2011, 12:46:09 AM
Thanks M5.  ;)

Hominid, probably Pulp Fiction is a bit too much.  ;D

Cckeiser, oh, that's a bummer, I really liked the idea of having zesty enterprises with a blonde assistant as a religious tenet. Well, I'll stick with Dudeism then.  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on October 22, 2011, 07:33:44 AM
My favorite Pulp Fiction quote:

The way your dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slopes gonna put their greasy yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 22, 2011, 11:22:32 AM

Indeed!  Or how about Pulp Fiction? We'd get to carry guns, and every time we're about to cap someone's ass, we get to quote:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee. "


Isn't that taken from another religion already?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 22, 2011, 01:36:25 PM
Yes, it's old testament, upon which Jews and Christians hang their hat.  Similar to how Dudeism is based on the Tao. So, we could exercise creative license and build another religion out of a movie: Pulp Fictionism!!!   :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on October 22, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
The world does Not need another Religion...it needs Dudeism...a philosophical way to live life.
Down With Dogma! 8)



oh, i quite like the kevin smith film ;)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on October 22, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
jay and silent bob are pretty dudely
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 22, 2011, 03:52:37 PM
jay and silent bob are pretty dudely
Jay & silent Bob are a hoot, I agree! The out takes from their second film made me roar...
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: apnp on October 22, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
Mama Dog is a bitch...

(http://anzaholyman.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dogma2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 23, 2011, 01:37:18 AM
Did my karma run over your dogma?
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 23, 2011, 01:44:59 AM
Thumbs up for Kevin Smith's Dogma, probably the most correct movie on religion. Fucking A!
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Zen Dog on October 23, 2011, 12:02:20 PM
If you're looking for an Ethos and I have several,just like my opinions.How about this?
It's nice to be nice.Be kind (sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind).Lao Tze would have aproved I think.
If you are a TP fan.you will know from where I am coming.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 24, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
Thumbs up for Kevin Smith's Dogma, probably the most correct movie on religion. Fucking A!

Apart from the angel names. Big bugbear I have, I love the film (especially the thirteenth apostle being a black guy so excluded from the bible, and Alanis Morissette as God)

It's just if you see the prophecy (I, II, III, IV and V) at least they tried to follow the christian mystic/Jewish tradition in the angel names.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on October 24, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
Quote
the thirteenth apostle being a black guy so excluded from the bible

All the apostles and indeed the Jesus himself were of Arabic descent and therefore if not Black then extremely brown! This seems to be glossed over a lot by the church and it's Alabama and deep South followers.

I also like the way Western artists portray Mary and baby jeebus as WHITE!

I can feel my rage rising......so had better stop typing for a bit!

Peace Meekon.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on October 25, 2011, 02:02:15 AM
Well CD, history and Roman Catholic religion don't usually go hand in hand. But I guess this happens to many other religions. Hey, they begins by saying that Mary didn't have zesty enterprises to have JCD!!!!!!! I hate these kind of lies, completely nonsense but the worst part is that some people believe them anyway.

M5 far out! I dig them too even if I'm a bit sad for angels who cannot drink anymore. What a bummer.  ;D

And let's not forget the real Jesus, the Buddy Christ.  :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on October 25, 2011, 02:15:30 AM
Have ANY one of you not watched Zeitgeist? It's the tip of the iceberg, but very well researched.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 25, 2011, 05:13:34 AM

I also like the way Western artists portray Mary and baby jeebus as WHITE!

I can feel my rage rising......so had better stop typing for a bit!

Peace Meekon.


Um....

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Czestochowska.jpg/200px-Czestochowska.jpg)

The Black Madonna? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna)

Sorry ;D

Though not an admission by the christians but a strange European cult (the term does not include those modern African re-imaginings of the Madonna as an African) possibly linked to Isis worship subsumed into christianity.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: DigitalBuddha on October 25, 2011, 05:56:14 AM
Have ANY one of you not watched Zeitgeist? It's the tip of the iceberg, but very well researched.

In relation to? .............

http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on October 25, 2011, 07:49:08 AM
I did say Western artists meekon! :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Dirty Hippie on October 25, 2011, 07:56:41 AM
Quote
the thirteenth apostle being a black guy so excluded from the bible

All the apostles and indeed the Jesus himself were of Arabic descent and therefore if not Black then extremely brown! This seems to be glossed over a lot by the church and it's Alabama and deep South followers.

I also like the way Western artists portray Mary and baby jeebus as WHITE!

I can feel my rage rising......so had better stop typing for a bit!

Peace Meekon.


No way, Dude! I have definitive proof that jesus is a honky, complete with arian features like blonde hair! Behold: mormon jesus!!

(http://ldsblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mormon-jesus.jpg)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on October 25, 2011, 08:37:08 AM
I did say Western artists meekon! :)

The Cult of the Black Madonna is a western European cult, not an African one.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on October 25, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
Damn you....thought I was right on this one and wrong on the Dead sea scrolls thing...way to go dude to confuse a man! :) :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on November 03, 2011, 09:24:46 AM
i think you can safely say christianity has lasted this long due to its ability to blend ideas and imagery from other older religions into its make-up. there was an interesting programme on BBC a couple of days ago looking for Satan.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 04, 2011, 03:27:43 AM
You can also say that if after 2000 years we are still talking about JCD there is probably a reason, beyond Catholicism and other points of view or sects. Imdo. :)
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on November 04, 2011, 07:01:22 AM
You can also say that if after 2000 years we are still talking about JCD there is probably a reason, beyond Catholicism and other points of view or sects. Imdo. :)

Yes quiet simply the Roman Empire, the byzantine version by then, or those who ran it, realised they were loosing their grip on their empire, so latched onto the one thing that could help them keep control, religion.

Picking one of the newer ones (an obscure jewish cult that seemed to be becoming very popular, called christianity), so no one could argue how it should or should not be run.

They then systematically destroyed any other version of the faith that contradicted their point of view (see previous posts on the arian church, the coptic church and a number of others that Rome was central in silencing).

Then managed to convince a number of other major groups that the reason they won battles was because they had a god on their side (and not about a thousand years of a professional and trained army forged and honed on expansionist wars during that time).

Having consolidated and eliminated any opposition went on to run western europe for almost two thousand years more.

It is not without irony that the Popes palace sits on the same ground that Nero's palace sat, and where he had the christians burnt and crucified for his own entertainment after he blamed them for his own slum clearance policy when he burnt large areas of Rome to build his new palaces.

And from that position rammed the "teachings" of the guy down everyones throat for the last two thousand years.

In the absence of anything else what do you expect.

IMDO of course.

;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 04, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
Dude, you're fucking correct, but that's Catholicism, I was talking about Christianity and JCD. Your knowledge of the topic is fucking good, but you should also have added the cult of Mitra, whatever is called in English, all Pagan's holy days transformed into Catholic ones, etc. etc.

Just kidding dude, it would have became exhausting to read what the Catholic church did. But they're not alone, Jews killed everyone around who didn't agree with their religion and Muslims did the same too. Probably it's a feature of monotheistic religions.

JCD has an history of 2000 years, the Roman Catholic Church is much younger and changed throughout the years. If I remember well priests could marry until late Middle Age, when hereditary issues came to light. Well, this is another story.

Not that they didn't used JCD for their own interests, they did and they do.

Fucking A, dude.  :D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: meekon5 on November 04, 2011, 01:57:22 PM
....but you should also have added the cult of Mitra, whatever is called in English...

Are we talking Mithras? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_mysteries) as in Jesus as a Reincarnation of Mithra (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html)?

all Pagan's holy days transformed into Catholic ones, etc. etc.

With you there. One of the major arguments against Jeebus being born on xmas is because it's in the middle of the rites to saturn (the saturnalia (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturnalia.html)) which was a very important holiday to the romans, so they would not have set a census on that day.


Probably it's a feature of monotheistic religions.

See I personally blame Akhenaten for inventing monotheism (http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/egypt/a/locegyptmonothe.htm), then teaching it to the jews. (Possibly the subject of a PhD at some point don't ask me to try and argue the full extent of that one yet).

JCD has an history of 2000 years, the Roman Catholic Church is much younger and changed throughout the years. If I remember well priests could marry until late Middle Age, when hereditary issues came to light. Well, this is another story.

Most modern christian churches have their roots in catholasism.

Not that they didn't used JCD for their own interests, they did and they do.

Can't disagree mate, with you on that one completely.

Whats the quote 90% of the wars are fought over 10% of the differences.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: milnie on November 04, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
Was akhenaten one of the pharos who used karnac? I remember seeing some statues of him and his wife while in egypt but cannot remember where   :-\
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Hominid on November 05, 2011, 12:42:57 AM
All of this discussion is moot until the participants realize that Christianity is a regurgitation of previously written - ancient - texts. Same stories, different names. It's all mythological. There is no historical evidence of Jesus. Period. Now, what mankind makes out of mythology is interesting, but only from an anthropological standpoint, certainly not from a historical point of view.
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Caesar dude on November 05, 2011, 05:53:01 AM
Quote
It's all mythological. There is no historical evidence of Jesus. Period. Now, what mankind makes out of mythology is interesting, but only from an anthropological standpoint, certainly not from a historical point of view.

Totally agree there.

It's exactly the same as us looking back at the ancient Romans' practice of offerings to various Gods................. what were they thinking?  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 05, 2011, 07:14:23 AM
Dudes, you should dudely take into account the Gospel of Thomas which dates back to the first century, more or less. Sorry, I can't read Aramaic so I have to take what they say for good.

Also, if Hominid dude is correct how can we call those good hearted people who instead of going down the trail of the so called Christianity just stick to the two commandments of JCD? The golden rule, which is and older concept, and the idea that there is just one God? Which is a similar concept to the one of the blinds touching the elephant?

Old Christians, real Christians, whathaveyou?

 ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism insulted
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on November 05, 2011, 07:16:58 AM
@M5

Yes dude, you're right. And fucking correct.  ;D