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Title: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: 4weeddude on August 19, 2011, 04:53:55 PM
 Nethier are worth a shit I vote for Dudeism ........ BUT I' ve got to ask myself.............. if FUGGIN Capitalism is supposed to be better than Communism ..... what the hell is The Good Ole U.S. of FUGGIN A doing borrowing not millions............ no not billions............ but TRILLIONS of those Communist Dollars? Don't fret we are not going to hell we ....... we ...... we ........ are all ready there ...... Thanks to all of those GREAT politicians ......... You read fortune cookie now! ...........wha it say.......GOo ruck ChAry....... oh and if WARS cost Trillions of Dollars maybe we should'nt buy any! I' am a Dudelist I' am
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: thuni on August 19, 2011, 05:04:49 PM
I used to be a communist. Hell, I still am. Yes, I know communism will never work, but at least it's an ethos! Marx and Lenin were alright, but Stalin and the lot were fuckin' amateurs. Communism at its purest is one of the greatest ideas ever, am I right?
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: 4weeddude on August 19, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
You might be...... but if I had to chose some way of being Governed ...... I kind of like the Native American Indian's which might be close to Dudelist......LOL I don't think Dude's want to be Governed, am I right?
I used to be a communist. Hell, I still am. Yes, I know communism will never work, but at least it's an ethos! Marx and Lenin were alright, but Stalin and the lot were fuckin' amateurs. Communism at its purest is one of the greatest ideas ever, am I right?
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. R Lewis on August 19, 2011, 05:23:53 PM
I don not care to be governed. I think a bunch of people that aren't governed and all do something that supports the common good, or at the very least does no harm well that's pretty much communism isn't it?
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: thuni on August 19, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
I don not care to be governed. I think a bunch of people that aren't governed and all do something that supports the common good, or at the very least does no harm well that's pretty much communism isn't it?

Exactly, communism is all about the people working together, sharing everything and not being governed. The problem is that there is always a fuckin' power-hungry fascist around to screw everything up and fuck strangers in the ass. The old Soviet Union is a good example of what happens when you fuck strangers in the ass! The fuckin' North Korea happens!
I'm gonna slow down now, this ranting is un-dude.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: 4weeddude on August 19, 2011, 05:47:26 PM
BOOOY this can get people fired up.......... that is a good thing though we need to a least talk about the world around us ..... even though we are most likely unable to change this evil bullshit world we live in due to the powers that be (unlike the old day's when we coulda kicked some ass) ..... I wanna kick there ass I do .... I do...... I do ........  I always say the one most important thing missing in the world today is BALANCE and it will never arrive ..... because of religion and greed .......
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Zen Dog on August 19, 2011, 05:59:38 PM
It's all just the law of vested interest.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 19, 2011, 06:07:29 PM
Communism without corruption and capitalism with philanphropy.
Both would work so very well... if such things truly existed!

Alas, we're stuck with the broken versions... :(
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: 4weeddude on August 19, 2011, 06:08:45 PM
Here is a little Michael Franti ...... this Dude is a Right on Dude with his message....  Bomb the World (Armegeddon Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA8p_BV7uD8
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 19, 2011, 06:53:22 PM
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff.

- Frank Zappa


Communism is like one big phone company.

- Lenny Bruce


Communism, like any other revealed religion, is largely made up of prophecies.

- H. L. Mencken


I don't like Communism because it hands out wealth through rationing books.

- Omar Torrijos Herrera


A common danger tends to concord. Communism is the exploitation of the strong by the weak. In Communism, inequality comes from placing mediocrity on a level with excellence.

- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: 4weeddude on August 19, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
On the other hand ...... if you are doing buisness with a capitalist should you worry about him trying to capitalise on you?   ...... bet your bottom dollar ..... if he leaves you one that is.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 19, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
True enough, capitalism certainly is not perfect. Just the best option for the foreseeable future as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 20, 2011, 05:56:01 AM
You know, I've always found that because Capitalism encourages greed and there's not enough philanthropy at the top, leaving the bottom stiffed, I can't be down with it.  And likewise, there's too much room for corruption at the top of Communism, leaving the people at the bottom stiffed again.

So, I prefer the mellow mix of a centrist socialist society.  People can built themselves up to the top and then the people in the middle make sure the top dogs help out the people at the bottom.

Sadly, the problem with our British model of socialism still leaves a lot of a massive gap between rich and poor because we still embrace the capitalist model where it's the rich who are in power and block moves to have their excess wealth handed out to the needy.  Sadly, no one's adopted what I would consider the ideal:

A semi-capitalist, centrist socialist society.  We need more Dude in our politics to iron out the ugly wrinkles in our greedy rich and toothless politicians, worldwide.  Apart from the communist countries, where we need to blunt the teeth of the politicians and iron out THIER greed!

Y'know, this might be a more complex case...
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 20, 2011, 12:03:20 PM
Democratic socialism, and Shcumacher economics(Buddhist economics, but even Buddhists think that is not a good name for it).

We want to evolve into a Type I civilization, ya know Star Trek, there are models that can get us there. The civilization that is the Star Trek model is a social democracy, with gross national happiness as the economic system. It takes a shift in how we view personal property(ownership) and a shift in I idea of sovereignty. A key to this is also getting the rest of the world on board with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If all countries observed these basic rights, borders would become arbitrary, just lines in the sand.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 20, 2011, 12:25:34 PM
Democratic socialism, and Shcumacher economics(Buddhist economics, but even Buddhists think that is not a good name for it).

We want to evolve into a Type I civilization, ya know Star Trek, there are models that can get us there. The civilization that is the Star Trek model is a social democracy, with gross national happiness as the economic system. It takes a shift in how we view personal property(ownership) and a shift in I idea of sovereignty. A key to this is also getting the rest of the world on board with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If all countries observed these basic rights, borders would become arbitrary, just lines in the sand.

I do like the Star Trek model, now that you mention it.  Earth as one unified nation, no more wars, tribalism, racism etc.

It's one of the saddest things about the curreny destabalisation of the EU at the moment.  If the EU can hold on in there and the country lines can blur a bit... Alas, soon Scotland might hold a referrendum on suceeding from the UK, which is just shattering us even further into seperatist states.  Euro-bummer, man :(
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: thuni on August 20, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
I do like the Star Trek model, now that you mention it.  Earth as one unified nation, no more wars, tribalism, racism etc.

If and when mankind emigrates to Mars or other habitable planet, that will be an interesting situation. Will the people on Earth unite against the people on Mars? Or will Mars become a united nation? Who will move there and who won't?
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 20, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
I do like the Star Trek model, now that you mention it.  Earth as one unified nation, no more wars, tribalism, racism etc.

If and when mankind emigrates to Mars or other habitable planet, that will be an interesting situation. Will the people on Earth unite against the people on Mars? Or will Mars become a united nation? Who will move there and who won't?

Heh, well, if you've ever read the Red Dwarf novels you might be familiar with a concept from The Last Human.  It tells a little story about what happened some years after the Red Dwarf was lost and what became of earth between Lister having left it and his search to find it again 3,000,000 years later.

In Red Dwarf we're made familiar with the concept that the solar system is fully inhabited.  Rimmer himself comes from Io, one of Jupiter's moons, and has never set foot on Earth.  Essentially, in the book it tells of how the abject waste of human consumerism was filling the solar system with junk.  All planets and moons took a vote on which of them was least popular and so to be turned into a giant dump.  Unsurprisingly, Earth got the vote and so was evaccuated and turned into a giant garbage planet.

That's triabalism and democracy in action ;D
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Zen Dog on August 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
The problem with a global society would be exactly what's happening now in the EU.
Germany is about to take over  the fiscal policy of Greece,with others to follow, which is like a non military domination.
Guess who really won the war?
I prefer the way they do things in Switzerland.That is as dude a nation as you are likely to get IMO.
Title: Re: Capitalism VS Communism
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 21, 2011, 03:16:21 PM
The problem with a global society would be exactly what's happening now in the EU.
Germany is about to take over  the fiscal policy of Greece,with others to follow, which is like a non military domination.
Guess who really won the war?
I prefer the way they do things in Switzerland.That is as dude a nation as you are likely to get IMO.

The EU crisis would be solved by a global society.  One country, one currency, one government.  EU suffers from one currency spread between seperate econemies with varying levels of import/export ratios, industrial levels, etc etc.  If the EU would man-up and merge into a proper state, rather than being an allied conglomeration of states, we'd not have that sort of inequality in economy.

Still, that's what we call a "pipe dream" :/