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Title: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Quaker Dude on March 10, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
Evening, dudes!

The "Is the Dude an Introvert?" thread got me thinking quite a bit about Dudeism's significance, not just as a philosophy, but in a broader social context.  Now I'm wondering if there might be a correlation between those who embrace a Dudeist lifestyle and those who exhibit Type-B personality traits.  Allow me to explain...

Very generally speaking, there are two categorical umbrellas under which most people's personalities fit; Type-A personalities are characterized by ambition, organization, competitive drive, controlling or manipulative behavior, social climbing, and "workaholism."  

These are the folks who traditionally call the shots in Western society, rising to the top of the business world, and ESPECIALLY in politics.  Unfortunately, all that fussing over work, social status, and "keeping up with the Joneses" means that Type-A's are at greater risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, and other stress-related health problems.

Type-B personalities, on the other hand, are characterized by an easy-going, laid-back approach to life.  Type-B's don't care for confrontation at all; they'd rather get what they want through friendship, sharing, and cooperation than a never-ending race to the top.  

They see life, not as a race or a competition, but as a fun-filled, mysterious journey shared by all humankind, wherein the destination means far less than the exciting experiences picked up along the way.  If his or her neighbor has a nicer car or a bigger house, this is far less likely to trouble a Type-B, who doesn't see possessions as any indicator of human worth. 

Type-B's try to live by their own rules as often as possible, but as their letter implies, they usually end up playing second-fiddle to Type-A's in matters of business, industry, statecraft, and public policy.  It's not that Type-B's are apathetic, or can't be dynamic leaders - even remarkably persuasive and successful ones.  It's just that they often see little or no incentive in playing societal games (in which the decks have already been heavily stacked to favor Type-A behaviors), since involvement often means stress, and stress is emotional Kryptonite to the Type-B.

So, I guess what I'm blathering about boils down to this; since society basically rolls on a Type-A lane, how do we, as Dudeists, help reshape society to be more amenable to Type-B behavior, while avoiding the pitfalls of Type-A hierarchical frameworks, which can either assimilate and corrupt us over time, or crush our fragile and idealistic spirits?
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 10, 2011, 08:56:14 PM
We could debate about the philosophy of society all day.

It's a jungle out there...Good luck.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: LazyDude on March 11, 2011, 03:41:21 PM
Just live by example. The way I see it is.......Just let them burn themselves out. Most of them will get bankrupt, go to prison, embarrassed through some scandal, even suicide. Then whoever is left and willing can see and ask, how do these Type B people have peace and happiness with very little. And how can I?

Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 11, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Here's an idea! ;D Have someone take the Myers-Briggs personality test and answer the questions as The Dude would answer them. http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/
Then post the results here.

I took this test about 10 years ago and came up INFJ Counselor. Took it again 5 years later and scored the very same.

Anyone here feel they could answer the questions exactly like The Dude?
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 11, 2011, 07:10:10 PM
Here's an idea! ;D Have someone take the Myers-Briggs personality test and answer the questions as The Dude would answer them. http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/
Then post the results here.

I took this test about 10 years ago and came up INFJ Counselor. Took it again 5 years later and scored the very same.

Anyone here feel they could answer the questions exactly like The Dude?


too much work.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: pazuzu66 on March 12, 2011, 05:50:15 AM
For me .. i dont need to work alot to become the richest or special man or something like that .. Hardworking boring. So type a really stupidity because life short dude :D just take it easy .. try to live by ur ideas ^^ type b is thinking if im breathing ....  so dont need to worry about nothing..

and yea life isnt competition or race thats why calm down ad get some beer =)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 12, 2011, 09:58:24 AM
pazuzu...gargoyle from futurama.

that's awesome.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 12, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
My wife is a psychologist and I've taken the MB several times over the last 15 years. I've never gotten a different answer- INFP.


Quote
INFPs are imaginative idealists, guided by their own core values and beliefs. To an INFP, possibilities are paramount; the realism of the moment is only of passing concern. INFPs see potential for a better future, and pursue truth and meaning with their own individual flair.

Typically unconventional, INFPs often develop an offbeat personal style and enjoy expressing themselves with creative pursuits like writing or art. They value originality and want to be authentic and individual in what they do. Following tradition holds little appeal for the INFP, who would prefer to invent something that feels unique to them.

INFPs are usually flexible and accommodating, and can often see many points of view. They usually try to support other people but will react strongly if they feel their values are being violated. INFPs especially hate being steamrolled, and want an open, supportive exchange of ideas.

INFPs are sensitive, caring, and compassionate, and are deeply concerned with the personal growth of themselves and others. However, they also tend to be independent, soft-spoken, and reserved, and can sometimes seem aloof, especially to new acquaintances. They prefer to seek depth in relationships where they feel a real connection.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 12, 2011, 03:06:21 PM
For me .. i dont need to work alot to become the richest or special man or something like that .. Hardworking boring. So type a really stupidity because life short dude :D just take it easy .. try to live by ur ideas ^^ type b is thinking if im breathing ....  so dont need to worry about nothing..

and yea life isnt competition or race thats why calm down ad get some beer =)
Yo pazuzu66! Welcome to the party dude!
Smoke em if you got em! 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 12, 2011, 03:14:51 PM
My wife is a psychologist and I've taken the MB several times over the last 15 years. I've never gotten a different answer- INFP.


Quote
INFPs are imaginative idealists, guided by their own core values and beliefs. To an INFP, possibilities are paramount; the realism of the moment is only of passing concern. INFPs see potential for a better future, and pursue truth and meaning with their own individual flair.

Typically unconventional, INFPs often develop an offbeat personal style and enjoy expressing themselves with creative pursuits like writing or art. They value originality and want to be authentic and individual in what they do. Following tradition holds little appeal for the INFP, who would prefer to invent something that feels unique to them.

INFPs are usually flexible and accommodating, and can often see many points of view. They usually try to support other people but will react strongly if they feel their values are being violated. INFPs especially hate being steamrolled, and want an open, supportive exchange of ideas.

INFPs are sensitive, caring, and compassionate, and are deeply concerned with the personal growth of themselves and others. However, they also tend to be independent, soft-spoken, and reserved, and can sometimes seem aloof, especially to new acquaintances. They prefer to seek depth in relationships where they feel a real connection.
Cool dude, not that different from infj. ;D
But the question is what would The Dude score on the test?

Anyone here think they could reply exactly like The Dude?
Anyone who doesn't find it too exhausting that is? 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 12, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
My wife is a psychologist and I've taken the MB several times over the last 15 years. I've never gotten a different answer- INFP.


Quote
INFPs are imaginative idealists, guided by their own core values and beliefs. To an INFP, possibilities are paramount; the realism of the moment is only of passing concern. INFPs see potential for a better future, and pursue truth and meaning with their own individual flair.

Typically unconventional, INFPs often develop an offbeat personal style and enjoy expressing themselves with creative pursuits like writing or art. They value originality and want to be authentic and individual in what they do. Following tradition holds little appeal for the INFP, who would prefer to invent something that feels unique to them.

INFPs are usually flexible and accommodating, and can often see many points of view. They usually try to support other people but will react strongly if they feel their values are being violated. INFPs especially hate being steamrolled, and want an open, supportive exchange of ideas.

INFPs are sensitive, caring, and compassionate, and are deeply concerned with the personal growth of themselves and others. However, they also tend to be independent, soft-spoken, and reserved, and can sometimes seem aloof, especially to new acquaintances. They prefer to seek depth in relationships where they feel a real connection.
Cool dude, not that different from infj. ;D
But the question is what would The Dude score on the test?

Anyone here think they could reply exactly like The Dude?
Anyone who doesn't find it too exhausting that is? 8)



Again, I'm gonna go ahead and say, the dude wouldn't score. Too much work.

See, thats your answer.

The dude wouldn't take a test like that. Too much bullshit layered on top of the rest of it. Say what you will about psychology and all of that, no offense to anyone honestly, but it's all just estimated guessing at best. That's what we all do, The Dude wouldn't have someone answer his personal questions, and insight to the journey that is the dude. It's something of a self discovery. He wouldn't take the test, he's the dude. And there should be a scoring for the test for people who refuse or don't take it. 

DUDE. (check mark that for me, professor)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Caesar dude on March 12, 2011, 04:06:21 PM
Quote
I've taken the MB several times over the last 15 years

Hey dude...my ex wife was a psycho too.... damned Typo I meant psychologist obviously! ;)

I too have taken the myers-Brigg test several times over the last ten years and always got INFP!

I'm liking your style Tripnastic! :)

Peace dudes.

Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 12, 2011, 04:59:52 PM


Again, I'm gonna go ahead and say, the dude wouldn't score. Too much work.

See, thats your answer.

The dude wouldn't take a test like that. Too much bullshit layered on top of the rest of it. Say what you will about psychology and all of that, no offense to anyone honestly, but it's all just estimated guessing at best. That's what we all do, The Dude wouldn't have someone answer his personal questions, and insight to the journey that is the dude. It's something of a self discovery. He wouldn't take the test, he's the dude. And there should be a scoring for the test for people who refuse or don't take it. 

DUDE. (check mark that for me, professor)

You got something there Rev Koog-meister dude!
Had not thought of that.
But that's pretty much the reason I didn't try taking the test for The Dude myself...sounds exhausting!
The Dude would not take the fuckin' test! Who gives a shit! Can't worry about that shit man.

Fuck it! ;D
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 12, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
Fuck it! ;D

far out button
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 12, 2011, 08:35:17 PM
Even if he did take the test..he'd just assume that was like, someones opinion man, and not take it to heart.  

I have a feeling though, just generally speaking, that The Dude, and a large majority of Dudeists would be in the INF category, with the most differences coming in the final category.  Those just tend to be your more relaxed population groups.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Quaker Dude on March 13, 2011, 01:17:20 AM
Wow, so so far we've got INFJ's and INFP's.

I'm an ENFP.  Maybe that's why I spend so much time blathering about this stuff.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: forumdude on March 13, 2011, 06:32:38 AM
This is a very interesting topic. I personally seem to vacillate between INTP and ENTP, depending on my mood. Heading more towards INTP as I get older and I drink less!
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: meekon5 on March 13, 2011, 06:44:09 AM
INFP - The "Dreamer"
Temperament: NF (Visionary)   
Primary Function: Introverted Feeling
Population: 2% (1.5% male, 2.5% female)   
INFP Overview
(info, people, careers...)

Not too surprise with this one. In fact could have probably told you that if you'd asked me directly.

The problem with such psychological profiling is the quality of the data behind it.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 13, 2011, 11:48:45 AM
The Meyers-Brigg has good validation behind it. The problem is, that validation doesn't extend to what it's normally used for, which is workplace personalities. 

So us using it in a forum will yield fairly accurate results, but a hiring manager using it in the interview process, or a workplace giving it so that you'll understand each other better is not going to get as valid of results.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 13, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
We seem to be N (iNtuitive) dominant so far.
Anyone else?
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 13, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
This is a very interesting topic. I personally seem to vacillate between INTP and ENTP, depending on my mood. Heading more towards INTP as I get older and I drink less!

When did take the test last?
Which test did you take.
There are several test on several different web site. The link I left was only the first to pop up on a google search and may or may not be the same as the one I took 5 years ago.
The first one I took and scored INFJ had only 70 questions. 5 years later I took one with 120 questions, but scored exactly the same.
I may take it again and try to reply as I think The Dude would reply, but am afraid it would score INFJ yet again!
Yeah, I may be just a little bit prejudice here, but in my opinion, I believe The Dude is also INFJ! ;D
Which is one of the reasons I have not taken the test as The Dude...who would believe me!? 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 13, 2011, 05:57:51 PM
There is something else we could try. "Someone" take the test, make a copy of the questions and post them on the forum. Then we could all vote on how we each think The Dude would reply to each question!
That way, when he comes out INFJ, you all will all know I'm not cheatin'! ;D
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: meekon5 on March 15, 2011, 10:57:24 AM
OK I've not properly explained why I don't think this kind of "test" actually works.

So here goes:

When any such test is compiled the main problem is to do with standard deviation of the sample used to base the assumptions on.

The basic idea is that any population should fit a standard deviation. For instance age in a country.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5253/5528881697_1713ed2e7c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5528881697/)
DudeSD_0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5528881697/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

Here x is age and y is number of people.

The main assumption is that certain percentages of the population lie in certain areas of the graph.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5096/5529470532_25fa2e9f49.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470532/)
DudeSD_1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470532/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

Here 80% are in the red, 90% in the red and green together, and 95% of the population tested in the coloured areas.

Why is this important?

The idea is you test a population and compile the data, then when other people do the test you are able to match the individual and make assumptions about what the result says.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5211/5529470500_59d8d85bcf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470500/)
DudeSD_2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470500/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

So in the test population a score of one (1) give type (a) person.

This is fine only if the test population is similar enough (almost identical) to the user population. Usually you test randomly and large enough sizes of people to ensure the data is fairly robust.

The problem hits when the test population (A) is different from the user population (B).

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5529470574_e04148a8bc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470574/)
DudeSD_3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470574/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

So when you test as we did above.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5529470622_f80780d2a2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470622/)
DudeSD_4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5529470622/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

Here the test population suggests score (1) is person type (a), but because the user base is different the actual person type in the user population is (b).

This is a small difference which already starts to drift the results, but what if the user population is radically different from the test one. The bigger the user base and the smaller your sample the further the problem becomes.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5137/5528881883_7945180fca.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5528881883/)
DudeSD_5 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meekon5/5528881883/) by meekon5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/meekon5/), on Flickr

Here you can see score (1) gives a small difference of result, but score (2) gives a huge difference.

If you test a thousand people in the UK (approximately 60 million population) and then generalise the whole UK population must be the same, you are assuming that a 0.0016% of the population represents the rest of the country. A five thousand person test is only 0.0083% of the population. Even a ten thousand person test represents 0.0166% of the population. If you then take the test and publish on the web your ten thousand divided by 6.91 billion becomes a very small percentage to rest your assumptions on.

Secondly if you test ten thousand UK people then expect other world populations to match your test set. How can you expect Zulu's to compare with the UK population, or Japan. Even with much of the similarity between the UK and the US there are vast cultural differences that negate the data being usable for both populations.

Even continually re-assessing the data and updating it with new results, or even testing different populations and using particular tests for particular groups still falls at the surety test.

The argument that I am essentially building here is that any IQ, brain training, or personality type test is only as good as the test data it is built on, and how closely I as a user am to the test data. You can only test a finite set of people, and no matter how different the set is (how diverse) they will never properly represent a general population.

So it is pointless taking a set of people and making assumptions on the rest of the population and creating a standard test.

IMHO of course.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 15, 2011, 12:54:27 PM
There is something else we could try. "Someone" take the test, make a copy of the questions and post them on the forum. Then we could all vote on how we each think The Dude would reply to each question!
That way, when he comes out INFJ, you all will all know I'm not cheatin'! ;D

This is gonna take a while....I bolded the ones that I think, but that's just my opinion dude.  It was hard, because the Dude obviously socializes and cares (his college days protesting, regular bowling leagues) but we also see him enjoying his alone time in the tub and listening to his walkman. After we come to a consensus, I'll plug them in and we'll see what we get!

   1. You are almost never late for your appointments
      YES   NO
   2. You like to be engaged in an active and fast-paced job
      YES   NO
   3. You enjoy having a wide circle of acquaintances
      YES   NO
   4. You feel involved when watching TV soaps
      YES   NO
   5. You are usually the first to react to a sudden event:
      the telephone ringing or unexpected question
      YES   NO
   6. You are more interested in a general idea than in the details of its realization
      YES   NO
   7. You tend to be unbiased even if this might endanger
      your good relations with people
      YES   NO
   8. Strict observance of the established rules is likely to prevent a good outcome
      YES   NO
   9. It's difficult to get you excited
      YES   NO
  10. It is in your nature to assume responsibility
      YES   NO
  11. You often think about humankind and its destiny
      YES   NO
  12. You believe the best decision is one that can be easily changed
      YES   NO
  13. Objective criticism is always useful in any activity
      YES   NO
  14. You prefer to act immediately rather than speculate
      about various options
      YES   NO
  15. You trust reason rather than feelings
      YES   NO
  16. You are inclined to rely more on improvisation
      than on careful planning
      YES   NO
  17. You spend your leisure time actively socializing
      with a group of people, attending parties, shopping, etc.
      YES   NO
  18. You usually plan your actions in advance
      YES   NO
  19. Your actions are frequently influenced by emotions
      YES   NO
  20. You are a person somewhat reserved and distant in communication
      YES   NO
  21. You know how to put every minute of your
      time to good purpose
      YES   NO
  22. You readily help people while asking nothing in return
      YES   NO
  23. You often contemplate about the complexity of life
      YES   NO
  24. After prolonged socializing you feel you need
      to get away and be alone
      YES   NO
  25. You often do jobs in a hurry
      YES   NO
  26. You easily see the general principle behind
      specific occurrences
      YES   NO
  27. You frequently and easily express your feelings and emotions
      YES   NO
  28. You find it difficult to speak loudly
      YES   NO
  29. You get bored if you have to read theoretical books
      YES   NO
  30. You tend to sympathize with other people
      YES   NO
  31. You value justice higher than mercy
      YES   NO
  32. You rapidly get involved in social life
      at a new workplace
      YES   NO
  33. The more people with whom you speak, the better you feel
      YES   NO
  34. You tend to rely on your experience rather than
      on theoretical alternatives
      YES   NO
  35. You like to keep a check on how things
      are progressing
      YES   NO
  36. You easily empathize with the concerns of other people
      YES   NO
  37. Often you prefer to read a book than go to a party
      YES   NO
  38. You enjoy being at the center of events in which
      other people are directly involved
      YES   NO
  39. You are more inclined to experiment than
      to follow familiar approaches
      YES   NO
  40. You avoid being bound by obligations
      YES   NO
  41. You are strongly touched by the stories about people's troubles
      YES   NO
  42. Deadlines seem to you to be of relative, rather than absolute, importance
      YES   NO
  43. You prefer to isolate yourself from outside noises
      YES   NO
  44. It's essential for you to try things with your own hands
      YES   NO
  45. You think that almost everything can be analyzed
      YES   NO
  46. You do your best to complete a task on time
      YES   NO
  47. You take pleasure in putting things in order
      YES   NO
  48. You feel at ease in a crowd
      YES   NO
  49. You have good control over your desires and temptations
      YES   NO
  50. You easily understand new theoretical principles
      YES   NO
  51. The process of searching for solution is more
      important to you than the solution itself
      YES   NO
  52. You usually place yourself nearer to the side
      than in the center of the room
      YES   NO
  53. When solving a problem you would rather follow
      a familiar approach than seek a new one
      YES   NO
  54. You try to stand firmly by your principles
      YES   NO
  55. A thirst for adventure is close to your heart
      YES   NO
  56. You prefer meeting in small groups to interaction
      with lots of people
      YES   NO
  57. When considering a situation you pay more attention to
      the current situation and less to a possible sequence of events
      YES   NO
  58. You consider the scientific approach to be the best
      YES   NO
  59. You find it difficult to talk about your feelings
      YES   NO
  60. You often spend time thinking of how things
      could be improved
      YES   NO
  61. Your decisions are based more on the feelings
      of a moment than on the careful planning
      YES   NO
  62. You prefer to spend your leisure time alone
      or relaxing in a tranquil family atmosphere
      YES   NO
  63. You feel more comfortable sticking to
      conventional ways
      YES   NO
  64. You are easily affected by strong emotions
      YES   NO
  65. You are always looking for opportunities
      YES   NO
  66. Your desk, workbench etc. is usually neat and orderly
      YES   NO
  67. As a rule, current preoccupations worry
      you more than your future plans
      YES   NO
  68. You get pleasure from solitary walks
      YES   NO
  69. It is easy for you to communicate in social situations
      YES   NO
  70. You are consistent in your habits
      YES   NO
  71. You willingly involve yourself in matters
      which engage your sympathies
      YES   NO
  72. You easily perceive various ways
      in which events could develop
      YES   NO

Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 15, 2011, 01:01:10 PM
Also, Meekon,  my wife says the central limit theorem is something you may want to explore, as it is the basis for the validity of these types of things.  This is all going way above my head though, as I am a lowly biologist type dude.   She agrees that there are definitely cultural differences, and sites that as the reason for so many cross cultural studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: meekon5 on March 15, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
I was thinking it would be easier to set this up as a poll but that does mean setting up 72 questions.

Too much like work for this dude.

like this :

http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2082.0
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: meekon5 on March 15, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
Also, Meekon,  my wife says the central limit theorem is something you may want to explore, as it is the basis for the validity of these types of things.  This is all going way above my head though, as I am a lowly biologist type dude.   She agrees that there are definitely cultural differences, and sites that as the reason for so many cross cultural studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem

Nice link, also look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iq_tests

Which has some nice stuff on Binet (one of the originators of IQ tests), my main problem with all this is it's roots in eugenics, and the idea that people can be categorised and classified and measured (at the risk of becoming subject to Godwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)) and all the links with the Nazis.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Banjo Dude on March 15, 2011, 01:32:46 PM
I like your illustration of some of the math behind the issue there, Meekon.

I read this fantastic book once, I am inclined to doubt that you really "need to" read it, but you might enjoy it anyway, and I'm pretty sure someone here could benefit from it, simply statistically speaking.

http://www.innumeracy.com

^ this is the site of the book's author, and could probably do a significantly better job than I of describing what it's about. :D

[edit: no, it's not, but it appears to be in the same vein. Didn't really look at it before posting, did I?]

Interesting... I didn't catch that the title "innumeracy" was a term coined by Douglas Hofstadter;  I would have imagined that fact would have stood out, as I enjoyed the hell out of Hofstadter's "Goedel, Escher, Bach" (not even going to TRY to make an umlaut :P)

Now, THAT was one hell of a read, GEB was.  Best musical fugue pretending to be a book, drawing from one of Lewis Carrol's stories, about mathematics and art, but not really, that _I've_ ever read.  If you've ever wondered why contrapuntal music is such an experience to listen to (or play) or thought that a bee colony might be the more appropriate thing to address as the unit organism rather than a single bee, I suggest you check it out.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Caesar dude on March 15, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
I have innumeracy on my bookshelf...excellent reading material.  :)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: justjake on March 15, 2011, 05:27:04 PM
Wow, so so far we've got INFJ's and INFP's.

I'm an ENFP.  Maybe that's why I spend so much time blathering about this stuff.

Hey fellow ENFP here.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 15, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
Whew.  Did all the survey questions that were up.  CC, would it be possible to sticky this thread so people can see what were doing?
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Tripnastic on March 15, 2011, 07:44:02 PM
Ask and ye shall receive! Thanks Dude!
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 15, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Ok dudes, all 72 are now posted!
Whew...I'm exhausted! 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Abideist on March 15, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
Just got done taking them mate. Don't know what I scored, but i think we can smuggle a chart some how.

Thanks for posting them.

I'm 100% certain i would have never ever ever taken that test if someone hadn't posted it for me to do in the most laziest carefree way imagineable.

And that was for free, at home, on my computer while I was watching American Dad. I think there may have been a snacks involved.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 15, 2011, 10:33:02 PM
Just got done taking them mate. Don't know what I scored, but i think we can smuggle a chart some how.

Thanks for posting them.

I'm 100% certain i would have never ever ever taken that test if someone hadn't posted it for me to do in the most laziest carefree way imagineable.

And that was for free, at home, on my computer while I was watching American Dad. I think there may have been a snacks involved.
And in English too!
You can thank Meekon5 for posting the questions,(sorry, that was Tripnastic who posted the questions) but you were supposed to reply to them the way you think The Dude would, not as you would!! ;D
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: BikerDude on March 16, 2011, 01:13:32 PM
Wouldn't it follow that Dudeist as a rule wouldn't finish all those question?

Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: meekon5 on March 16, 2011, 01:59:46 PM
As I said earlier I moved one then got bored. Went and did some thing more interesting.

;D
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Eternal Abider on March 17, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
I am a social work grad student and am just beginning to practice psychotherapy with clients.  I have taken Myers-Briggs several times.  I always get INFP too.  :)   Categories can be helpful, if you want to look at it that way, but that's just like, my opinion, man. 
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 17, 2011, 12:57:30 PM
I am a social work grad student and am just beginning to practice psychotherapy with clients.  I have taken Myers-Briggs several times.  I always get INFP too.  :)   Categories can be helpful, if you want to look at it that way, but that's just like, my opinion, man. 

Yo! ;D Welcome to our beach community dude!
Any rug in the place dude! 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Quaker Dude on March 17, 2011, 05:52:43 PM
Wow, dudes!  I am touched and humbled to see this thread spawn a new sub-forum!  It took a while, but I finally answered every MBTI question as I believe the Dude would, even though some of them were tough because there were no direct examples from the film.  I can't wait until all the data is weighed and we become privy to all the new shit, as far as the dude's own MBTI type is concerned.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on March 17, 2011, 10:20:57 PM
Wow, dudes!  I am touched and humbled to see this thread spawn a new sub-forum!  It took a while, but I finally answered every MBTI question as I believe the Dude would, even though some of them were tough because there were no direct examples from the film.  I can't wait until all the data is weighed and we become privy to all the new shit, as far as the dude's own MBTI type is concerned.
Yep, you just never know what is going to get us off and running!
A darn good idea there Quaker Dude! 8)
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on April 27, 2011, 10:58:41 PM
Anyone else like to  have a go at answering the 72 questions as they think The Dude would?
I see disagreement on a few questions.
I think a few more replies should do it.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Outer Element on May 04, 2011, 11:25:49 PM
Ok, so I have the answers all ready -- two sets, most of the answers being the same, but the ones that were on the margin (1 or 0 point spread) are changed for the second set. I went to the site and there are 3 tests to choose from--which one should I take? Also, I would have to create an account to take the test, and I *hate* having to create accounts. Anyone else want to do this if I send them the answers?
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Outer Element on May 04, 2011, 11:29:22 PM
Found the right test, I think: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

It's a different link than was posted here--has 72 questions, and they look like the right ones. I'll take it and post the results.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on May 05, 2011, 12:04:25 AM
Found the right test, I think: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

It's a different link than was posted here--has 72 questions, and they look like the right ones. I'll take it and post the results.

That's Awesome dude! ;D
 
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Outer Element on May 09, 2011, 04:18:41 AM
Evening, dudes!

The "Is the Dude an Introvert?" thread got me thinking quite a bit about Dudeism's significance, not just as a philosophy, but in a broader social context.  Now I'm wondering if there might be a correlation between those who embrace a Dudeist lifestyle and those who exhibit Type-B personality traits. . . .


In partial response to this question, my Meyers-Briggs score came out ISTJ:

Introverted   Sensing   Thinking   Judging
Strength of the preferences %
56   12   50   56

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

 You are:

    * moderately expressed introvert
    * slightly expressed sensing personality
    * moderately expressed thinking personality
    * moderately expressed judging personality

Except for the moderate introversion, mine is not what many of us think of as a dudely personality. However, I feel that my interest in dudeism stems from a need for it, not because it's the way I am naturally or the way I operate as a result of mal/adaptation. I'm guessing that there are others who are here because they feel a need for more dudeliness as well.

As far as the question of whether dudeists tend to have Type B personality traits, I found this:

"Type A / Type B theory c.1955 was introduced cardiologists Meyer Friedman and Mike Jordan. It's a theory of two groups, similar to, but not mappable to, Extrovert/Introvert. It has very limited scope and precision. It not used in newer personality theories and has been abandoned by the medical profession as well."
http://www.temperamentorder.com/personality-history.php

If type B is thought of as similar to introvert, then perhaps a case could be made for dudeists tending to be type B, but I guess I don't see where being an introvert is the same in any great way as being laid back. This may be part of what this website is referring to when it says the A/B theory was limited in scope and precision.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: cckeiser on May 09, 2011, 02:32:12 PM


As far as the question of whether dudeists tend to have Type B personality traits, I found this:

"Type A / Type B theory c.1955 was introduced cardiologists Meyer Friedman and Mike Jordan. It's a theory of two groups, similar to, but not mappable to, Extrovert/Introvert. It has very limited scope and precision. It not used in newer personality theories and has been abandoned by the medical profession as well."
http://www.temperamentorder.com/personality-history.php

If type B is thought of as similar to introvert, then perhaps a case could be made for dudeists tending to be type B, but I guess I don't see where being an introvert is the same in any great way as being laid back. This may be part of what this website is referring to when it says the A/B theory was limited in scope and precision.

Well..aah...thanks dude, but this is way above my pay grade! ???
All I know is some dudes are out going and like big crowds and to meet people and others...well...other dudes prefer to be by themselves or only with a few friends.
Some dudes can get up in front of a room full of strangers and put on a show; while other dudes prefer to sit in the back and keep to themselves...or not be there at all.
I'm the "other" type of dude.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: Outer Element on May 09, 2011, 05:03:24 PM


As far as the question of whether dudeists tend to have Type B personality traits, I found this:

"Type A / Type B theory c.1955 was introduced cardiologists Meyer Friedman and Mike Jordan. It's a theory of two groups, similar to, but not mappable to, Extrovert/Introvert. It has very limited scope and precision. It not used in newer personality theories and has been abandoned by the medical profession as well."
http://www.temperamentorder.com/personality-history.php

If type B is thought of as similar to introvert, then perhaps a case could be made for dudeists tending to be type B, but I guess I don't see where being an introvert is the same in any great way as being laid back. This may be part of what this website is referring to when it says the A/B theory was limited in scope and precision.

Well..aah...thanks dude, but this is way above my pay grade! ???
All I know is some dudes are out going and like big crowds and to meet people and others...well...other dudes prefer to be by themselves or only with a few friends.
Some dudes can get up in front of a room full of strangers and put on a show; while other dudes prefer to sit in the back and keep to themselves...or not be there at all.
I'm the "other" type of dude.

Yep, I'm the other type, too, except I'm ok with putting on a show if I have a script to follow, can clown around, and don't have to interact with the audience while I do it. There's some kind of wall they talk about in theatre--guess it's that.
Title: Re: The Square Community, The Dudeist Community, and Personality Types
Post by: 4weeddude on July 08, 2011, 06:34:34 PM
Lets go bowling instead ....