Well I think dudeism should see god symbolized in the more laid back concepts of life. Bowling, hanging out with friends, all that other shit is a way of experiencing god, amirite? and unlike the christian god or whatever, our god ain't a fucking nazi and doesn't discriminate on the basis of sexuality or whatever, dude. and you dont need no rituals to please god, all you gotta do is take life easy and not have a big ego and shit. i would write a lot more, but im confused. so can you guys elaborate on this?
Jesus was/is a Dude just look at the resemblances
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cobwx4DWgm8/SJyzJNCLxLI/AAAAAAAAATg/7ju5NW2P9Ek/s400/buddy_jesus.jpg)
(http://shopping.syncweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/the-big-lebowski-bridges-dude.jpg)
And a good day to you Sir!
The symbolism is there yes, but I need to use a non-TBL analogy here:
Yogi Berra once said, and I quote, " Its not too far, it just seems that way"
So if Jesus and the dude seem the same, they can fucking un-post it.
Hasn't that ever occurred to you, sir?
Jesus=guilt you into handing over ze money
Dude=ah fuckit
Am I wrong?
I think that we as Dudeists are pretty near to Christians, and I think that the Buddy Christ is the nearest representation of the real Christ.
What I find funny instead is that Catholics, who are pretty far away from Jesus, are the ones who states that they represent his speech. They invented Inquisition, they thought Indios and Native Americans were without soul, they deep inside hate women, they were on Nazi's side, well most of them, and I'm sure that if Stalin would have left them in Russia they would have been on his side too. They are unmarried but married power and money instead of caring for people's souls. Especially the ones dressed in black, not so much usually for monks and nuns.
And JCD said that heaven's realm is inside people, not outside. He would kick them all on their nuts instead then in their butts.
Well Dudes, I just can't believe that there is some all powerful dude who is gonna cut off my fucking johnson if my toe slips over the line a bit. The Dude didn't listen to anyone (except Maude, but he just wanted her to be his fuckin lady friend). What I like about The Dude is that he keeps himself in check for the most part. He has his undude moments, but he also chooses to be undude only when dealing with assholes, nihlists, and human paraquats. I'm all for the Great Dudes in History, but I got into Dudeism to get away from superior beings and now I believe that every being is absolutely equal and the universe is our relationship to each other. Ups and Downs, strikes and gutters, yins and yangs. Let's not forget, let's NOT forget what symbol is at the top of the page. If we have a God then we have to please that god. I say fuck that, we can't be worried with that shit. Don't do something for an imaginary friend, do something for yourself. Abide in yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to be a selfish prick, but we have to think of ourselves as well as others. I believe in balance between every being in the universe, not balance between some dude in the sky and I, not to mention if I'm on his good side or not.
I may be an asshole.....
but thats just my opinion man...
Quote from: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 08, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
And a good day to you Sir!
The symbolism is there yes, but I need to use a non-TBL analogy here:
Yogi Berra once said, and I quote, " Its not too far, it just seems that way"
So if Jesus and the dude seem the same, they can fucking un-post it.
Hasn't that ever occurred to you, sir?
Jesus=guilt you into handing over ze money
Dude=ah fuckit
Am I wrong?
Dude i meant in the physical sence the hair beard both are happy in flipflops and loose baggy comfortable clothes not the other stuff that is the church that you go to hence i chose Dudeism because i like to chill and not be told when to go to church when to donate money and who too
And do not forget, do not forget that both of them found the feminine form comfortable. The hate of women arrived later with Catholics. 8)
Quote from: greatspiritmonk on November 10, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
The hate of women arrived later with Catholics.
Actually it stems from Roman Catholicism and dates back to the pre-christian roman attitude towards women in their society.
If you look at inferences in the Coptic church the opposite is true (Nag Hammadi Index for example), but the Roman Church won the battle and destroyed most of the other forms of christianity (Greek orthodox is the Byzantine version of the Roman church). Or even the Arian church practiced by the Vandals, or other branches of Gothic christianity.
A Pagan friend of mine came up with the theory that the Romans realised they were loosing control of the empire so latched onto anything they could to keep hold, in this case christianity, and have used it to control Europe ever since.
Just because the Romans won out in the end
The Tao has no name and no personality and really doesn't care a toss because it can't. You fill the world with as many gods as you want the universe continues to abide as it did before you, with you, and as it will do after you. We are all tiny cogs in the whole massive machine.
All in my personal opinion.
I have written previously on my worry that the whole Dudeist idea may be subverted by bloody christians (crucifixion is too good for them).
(soap box away and stops blathering).
Rev Tiny and other respected and worthy reverends:
I know so little about this topic we are discussing, I must sit back and abide.
Your knowledge reminds me again that I must chill, and soak in the
wisdom. I must alter the Yogi quote, and come up with an explanation that
I can be comfortable with:
"Religion is not complicated, it just seems that way", Neal, 2009
There, that pulls it together in a slack and effortless way.
not_exactly_a_lightweight I dig your post. Very cool man.
meekon, I'm not sure it goes back to pre-christianity, actually both romans and greeks were very comfortable with the female form, and sometimes even with the male one. Do not forget that at the beginning there were a lot of Christians, people who suffered and followed the so called golden rule. And I know that the fish symbol, beside remembering the miracle was a signal for free food, which in those times was quite appealing. But I think there were a lot of good people. Then, as always happens, assholes took over power and begun doing what was done to them, killing and slaying all who didn't agree with them. Something that almost all Catholic confessions shared. Think about Mormons as an example.
The Dudeist idea cannot be subverted by Christians, while it will be surely fought by Catholics, Muslims, Jews and so on. Maybe we have some chances with Eastern religions, but I wouldn't bet on Hindus.
The difference is this one:
Christians: the golden rule plus find heaven on earth.
Catholics: suffer and be quiet and maybe one day you'll go to heaven, better if you leave us your money even if it's stained with blood, yours or of someone else.
Christians do not treat objects like women ;D , do not burn books or people, do not crucify, and do not protect pederasts. And would not kill someone because he disagrees with them.
Maybe I split hairs, but for me Christians and Catholics are on two different planets. If you ever find a Christians I'm sure you can talk about your worldviews easily. Without being threatened of burning in hell.
Quote from: greatspiritmonk on November 10, 2009, 11:05:21 AM
meekon, I'm not sure it goes back to pre-christianity, actually both romans and greeks were very comfortable with the female form, and sometimes even with the male one.
Actually the point I was trying to make (unsuccessfully) was to do with women and their status in roman society http://historylink102.com/Rome/roman-women.htm (http://historylink102.com/Rome/roman-women.htm).
They were only allowed to own property if they were widows, and were not allowed to vote and so on.
Don't worry, sometimes I'm like a child wondering in the middle of a movie, and I don't understand even simple things. ;D
But I see your point. There is a reason why Northern Europe usually has a high level of life satisfaction. It has to do with the fact that they have a great number of women in politic and in the button rooms. Women are much less sensitive then men to power and money. Well, most of them.
Quote from: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 10, 2009, 08:19:20 AM
Rev Tiny and other respected and worthy reverends:
I know so little about this topic we are discussing, I must sit back and abide.
Your knowledge reminds me again that I must chill, and soak in the
wisdom. I must alter the Yogi quote, and come up with an explanation that
I can be comfortable with:
"Religion is not complicated, it just seems that way", Neal, 2009
There, that pulls it together in a slack and effortless way.
that quote realy ties it together
yeah, well thats just like, your opinion man.
Quote from: greatspiritmonk on November 10, 2009, 11:05:21 AM
The difference is this one:
Christians: the golden rule plus find heaven on earth.
Catholics: suffer and be quiet and maybe one day you'll go to heaven, better if you leave us your money even if it's stained with blood, yours or of someone else.
Christians do not treat objects like women ;D , do not burn books or people, do not crucify, and do not protect pederasts. And would not kill someone because he disagrees with them.
Maybe I split hairs, but for me Christians and Catholics are on two different planets. If you ever find a Christians I'm sure you can talk about your worldviews easily. Without being threatened of burning in hell.
Dude, careful with the hate man. I know plenty of cool Catholics. Sure there are some messy pages in the history of the Catholic Church, but you could say the same of most religions. Plus, there are some pretty messed up Christians (by which I assume you're talking about Evangelicals?) out there. Ever heard of the "God Warrior"? She was on this show where families trade moms for a week to get an idea of how other people live. This Christian ended up with a kinda new age family. Here's the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8&feature=related
A minority of the Christian population, I know. But it just shows that you can't make generalizations about whole groups of people man.
It's not a matter of hate, beside Dudeism I still consider myself Christian while I don't, and I couldn't either, be a Catholic.
My point is that being Christian and Catholic are two different things and that very few Catholics are in reality Christians. I even served the mass when younger, so I know a little about the matter.
What do you think JCD would have thought if looking at the funerals of John Paul II and seeing all those cardinals fully dressed with expensive clothes and covered in gold? How many people can be helped by selling just one gold crucifix?
I prefer friars and nuns, at least they still have some points in common with JCD.
But you are right, maybe I've generalized too much. Sometimes I still get a little too uptight. :-[
Thats a good post, good point about the people that could be helped by selling off the excessive trappings of the church. I sure see that when you have a large assembly of the various church leaders, like at the 911 religious ceremonies. Something about most religions means the leader usually gets ornate clothing and always headgear. It sometimes looks like an odd hat contest...?
The church(s) started out with noble intentions, but became large, expensive, like the gov. but lets leave that topic for another forum, or another day.
my question is: what if a dude I work with believes that the God is inside your brain. (I am quite fond of this possible explanation)
God/religion is the answer (and the question) to the brain's natural need to draw a connection to all the events in our life, and the eventual outcome we all get to, death.
An organized religion is thus a group of people with like minds.
A nihilist is someone who does not have that need to link things together.
An agnostic is someone who says I dont need it, but I will wait and see.
And finally the atheist, who might be that smarter person, who asked the question got the answer above and moved on(?)
I dont claim to know all the answers, I just have a clear head this morning, tried to stay limber last night, and this is the result. :)
Quote from: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 15, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
The church(s) started out with noble intentions, but became large, expensive, like the gov. but lets leave that topic for another forum, or another day.
Thanks for the (s). The point I was trying to make is that it's not just the Catholic Church. I mean, those well dressed folks who go on the TV and ask for donations and milk poor old ladies for their life savings, well, they aren't Catholic. It's undude to level all the blame at Catholics.
Quote from: not_exactly_a_lightweight on November 15, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
God/religion is the answer (and the question) to the brain's natural need to draw a connection to all the events in our life, and the eventual outcome we all get to, death.
An organized religion is thus a group of people with like minds.
Mark it 8, man. I've been thinking about this for a long time. I think it's deeper than just drawing connections though. It's about finding meaning in the random stuff around us. It's about finding the "essence" for lack of a better term. The kinda thing that turns a mash of colours into a work of art. I think we need to be able to look at the randomness of the universe through some kind of organizing lens. Y'know, for our own comfort and sanity. Religion is one of those lenses.
that is a very thought-provoking comment (and "mark it 8, man" that is so dudeism appropriate and well received)
This dude thinks you have no nihilist characteristics.
I would suggest that the human brain is very difficult to understand. Your concept of essence is a good start. mark it 9, man.
But, art means almost nothing to me. I am an art nihilist. Religion I can focus on, but a view from outside the net, in the parlance of our day.
"It's undude to level all the blame at Catholics."
Surely you are right. But being grown up in the Catholic country, Italy, it's the religion I know better, beside Dudeism I hope. Of course assholes are everywhere. Muslims and Hindus have their owns. And a lot of them. Religions beside ours have almost always started well and then become a way to raise money and power. A lot of people in India makes a lot of money selling themselves as gurus as much as in the USA as tv preachers. Once I red that if all the pieces of JCD's cross were put together you could have something like the Black Forest of Germany. What I find funny is that usually those who state to be nearest to God or JCD almost always behave as being the farthest. And I guess it's the same for all other religions. And not_exactly is right, anytime religious leaders meet it seems a kind of fashion competition, except for the Dalai Lama maybe.
The reason for this is quite simple: religions are made by men and have the same flaws that men have.
Yesterday I was thinking about a nice question to ask to those religious leaders: if there was no man on earth how God will be?
Matt, I saw the movie on you tube. I don't know how to call that but not a Christian for sure, at least for what I consider a Christian to be. I have two consideration for that, "woman", ??? .
1 see a md as soon as possible, possibly a psychiatrist. Or undergo an exorcism.
2 eat less.
Fucking uptight, JCD wasn't.
I need some beers now.
Quote from: greatspiritmonk on November 16, 2009, 01:35:00 AM
"It's undude to level all the blame at Catholics."
Surely you are right. But being grown up in the Catholic country, Italy, it's the religion I know better, beside Dudeism I hope. Of course assholes are everywhere. Muslims and Hindus have their owns. And a lot of them. Religions beside ours have almost always started well and then become a way to raise money and power. A lot of people in India makes a lot of money selling themselves as gurus as much as in the USA as tv preachers. Once I red that if all the pieces of JCD's cross were put together you could have something like the Black Forest of Germany. What I find funny is that usually those who state to be nearest to God or JCD almost always behave as being the farthest. And I guess it's the same for all other religions. And not_exactly is right, anytime religious leaders meet it seems a kind of fashion competition, except for the Dalai Lama maybe.
The reason for this is quite simple: religions are made by men and have the same flaws that men have.
Yesterday I was thinking about a nice question to ask to those religious leaders: if there was no man on earth how God will be?
lol i'm indian and i've got some stuff to say about that. the situation heres pretty similar, yet different. politicians fight with each other over whether india should be the land of hindu nazis who're gonna be nihilistic and kick the other religions out, or whether india should be pseudo secular and kiss minority ass. sheesh, these nihilists treat people like "hindus" and "muslims" instead of treating them like normal, equal people. very undude, imo.
yeah even i would like to ask them that. if there were no christians, who would go to hell? all other religions are supposed to, right? LOL.
in short, every, conservative, overbearing religious "leader" is a hypocritical, self righteous, cleft asshole. people like osho, jesus, buddha, and sri sri ravi shankar, on the other hand, are what i call "true dudes" because they spread the message of tolerance, love, and openness. especially osho, he's like the dudest dude ever.
Welcome fella from India. Nice to see that Dudeism is spreading so much.
I've red something about Osho, nothing about sri sri ravi shankar. Osho has some good insights and points of view. Things to ponder. As an example when he said that you can think about being "enlightened" after having fed the monkey.
Unfortunately we can't have dudes without undudes, it's the price to pay. Even buddhists sometimes are undudes, and this explains a lot. What I feel strange about India is that it's a culture 5000 years old and gave birth to Siddharta Gautama and Gandhi but still there are those problems. Never been there but it's on the list, there are a lot of beautiful places to see and you have some of the most beautiful girls in the world. 8)
You're right, those religious leaders could sit all together around a table, having some beers and discussing points of view without trying to reach each other's throat. Which is cool.
I feel like I am observing all this from on a hill.
A hill overlooking the glowing and massive metropolis of Religious Angeles. It's bright down below, quiet and dry where I am.
A tumbleweed blows across the parched chaparral, abiding the direction of the winds, directly towards the confluence of these many people and many beliefs. As that little tumbleweed soul travels into the bedlam, the bosom of beliefs (some pacific), I say goodnight, sweet prince. I'll stay here.
Nice poetry dude. 8)
There's also the "gnostic" element to TBL.
The gnostics were dudes who were considered a heretical Christian movement who thought that the god of this world was at the very least "ignorant" and at worst a fucking fascist (being a "jealous" god). They saw the Divine Paraquat as being just an emanation of and ignorant of the true unknown god and christ as not being a saviour but a guide (an inner Dude, if you will) to the "true" way.
To the gnostics, humans (and all life) are just trapped "sparks" of divinity in a reality that they didn't choose, and, like His Dudeness, have to deal with nihilists and fascists and strikes and gutters and what have you.
They also didn't prescribe to the "historical" truth of the Bible but saw it as a myth (as modern movies are to our culture), but a myth is something that changes people's consciousness.
Far out, eh!
Aight! But dudes, let's think about our nomenclature! Don;t use so many cuss words :p
Also, whatever the more 'conservative' Christians ramble, don't think they speak for every Christian, man, things are way more, ehm, complex... new shit has come to light man! Lot's of those guys think way to uptight, but as many others don't.
I think it is very undude to bitch about Christians and other believers. It is more dudely, when you disagree with them tot say: "Well thats just, like, your opinion, man..." And then, fuck it!
Take 'er easy now!
Aw and I thought this an atheist sect!
(ps I count myself as a Dudeist Pagan)
QuoteAw and I thought this an atheist sect!
Yeah man or whatever happened to polytheism ...I'm a pagan with druidic tendencies and the thought of a white robed judge and executioner weighing up all my supposed transgressions in order to PUNISH me just makes want to me run to the bar for an oat soda.
My version of Dudeism is a Godless one where the golden rule of Abide is law.
But hey that's just like my opinion man...
Being a devout agnostic, Dudeism has fitted perfectly into my own spiritual philosophy, something along the lines of "Well Dude, we just don't know".
I'm not one for throwing my spiritual lot in with some heavy-duty faith saying there is or isn't a god. Being a thiest or an athiest is not really in my personal scope. God may well exist, or not, or there may be a whole load of super-human beings around, that's not really my concern for the here-and-now, because I'm not likely to get any answers this side of existance.
I couldn't even really take Buddhism past the world-view stage due to the fact I can't really put stock in reincarnation (that and I love my ego too much to let the darned thing go, I kinda like being me). But Buddhism, for me, was the search to become a Buddha, an 'Enlightened One', not the study of one guy, and I recognised that in Dudeism, the persuit to be Dude, like some Taoist state of Zen, mastering your ability to just hang loose, without having to jack in what makes you unique in this world.
I can see the point about tailoring a divine imageto be more "Dude", but I think that's a personal thing. Dudeism itself isn't concerned so much with matters divine, we care about life, here and now, in this world. It's more than cool to mix your faith in such things with your Dudeist worldview, there are plenty of Buddhists who are also Christian or part of any other generally well-meaning faith. Our doors are more than open to other faiths, when it comes to the afterlife, or lack thereof, as long as Dudeism itself is focused on existance as we know it. God is a personal choice of faith, and if anyone, dude or otherwise, wants to conjour up their own personal image, based on belief, then go for it. Just don't expect a concensus from anyboy here, man :P
All religions have two sides, for example there are Christians who like Jesus are not uptight assholes and just let people be. On the other hand there are Christians who burn crosses in minorities yards for being different. Being Christian myself, I always love to hear about what other people think of my religion. Other religions strike me as fascinating, too. I think it would be great if every religion has its own place to go with Christians go to Heaven, Buddhists get to be reincarnated, what-have-you. That would be a most dudely life.
Quote from: Ed Churchman on February 17, 2010, 01:32:16 PM
Being a devout agnostic, Dudeism has fitted perfectly into my own spiritual philosophy, something along the lines of "Well Dude, we just don't know".
I'm not one for throwing my spiritual lot in with some heavy-duty faith saying there is or isn't a god. Being a thiest or an athiest is not really in my personal scope. God may well exist, or not, or there may be a whole load of super-human beings around, that's not really my concern for the here-and-now, because I'm not likely to get any answers this side of existance.
I couldn't even really take Buddhism past the world-view stage due to the fact I can't really put stock in reincarnation (that and I love my ego too much to let the darned thing go, I kinda like being me). But Buddhism, for me, was the search to become a Buddha, an 'Enlightened One', not the study of one guy, and I recognised that in Dudeism, the persuit to be Dude, like some Taoist state of Zen, mastering your ability to just hang loose, without having to jack in what makes you unique in this world.
I can see the point about tailoring a divine imageto be more "Dude", but I think that's a personal thing. Dudeism itself isn't concerned so much with matters divine, we care about life, here and now, in this world. It's more than cool to mix your faith in such things with your Dudeist worldview, there are plenty of Buddhists who are also Christian or part of any other generally well-meaning faith. Our doors are more than open to other faiths, when it comes to the afterlife, or lack thereof, as long as Dudeism itself is focused on existance as we know it. God is a personal choice of faith, and if anyone, dude or otherwise, wants to conjour up their own personal image, based on belief, then go for it. Just don't expect a concensus from anyboy here, man :P
I'm with Ed on this one, and with brevity.
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I'm with Ed on this one, and with brevity.
Brevity? Never heard of it ;)
I think I'm with Southern Dude on this one. But to Rev Ed: you are right when quoting "well dude, we just don't know". That's why we call it believing, not knowing, man! But then again, that's just, like, my opinion, man...
Quote from: greatspiritmonk on November 16, 2009, 01:35:00 AMYesterday I was thinking about a nice question to ask to those religious leaders: if there was no man on earth how God will be?
One of the easiest answers in the world, dude.
Only man would think that God needs man to exists. That isn't in the Bible (or any other foundational text as far as I know). God existed BEFORE man, therefore, if man ceases to exists, God still abides.
The Creator is not in need of the Created to exist.
QuoteThe Creator is not in need of the Created to exist
Not really my friend...if there is no god and man creates him ie believes in him, then he exists in mans mind only...if man then stops believing then god simply ceases to exist. Simple to my limber mind.
Try reading Small Gods by Terry Pratchett.
In peace dude.
So that means we're back in the same old believing or not believing in God discussion?
I don't think God needs man to exist, he wants man to exist, to abide and take it easy, like the Bible says, man (check out the rightious dudes podcast).
Quote from: Ed Churchman on February 17, 2010, 01:32:16 PM
Being a devout agnostic, Dudeism has fitted perfectly into my own spiritual philosophy, something along the lines of "Well Dude, we just don't know".
I'm not one for throwing my spiritual lot in with some heavy-duty faith saying there is or isn't a god. Being a thiest or an athiest is not really in my personal scope. God may well exist, or not, or there may be a whole load of super-human beings around, that's not really my concern for the here-and-now, because I'm not likely to get any answers this side of existance.
....
God is a personal choice of faith, and if anyone, dude or otherwise, wants to conjour up their own personal image, based on belief, then go for it. Just don't expect a concensus from anyboy here, man :P
Ah Ed the thinking Dudes Dude!
With you on the brevity thing.
I actually just gave a presentation here at the museum on Paganism, didn't get the chance to include Dudeism. It's a very difficult thing to sit down and actually put into words why and when and how you do something you claim to be, and call, your religion.
I think Dudes are much like Pagans, try to get more than a couple of them to agree on anything is almost impossible (herding cats with an electric cattle prod would be easier).
I took the Buddhist view that all of life is an illusion (projected from yourself), then from that standpoint you can do whatever you want with it.
I may be completely off with the fairies most of the time but I think that if you're a scientific type you look at a rainbow and see diffracted light. i look at a rainbow and see Bifrost spanning the gap between Midgard and Asgard, or Jehovah's promise to Noah ("Wont do that again son!"), or I'm off looking for leprechauns gold.
I feel I live in a far more interesting world.
What's that nurse more medication?
Quote from: meekon5 on February 22, 2010, 08:15:15 AM
Ah Ed the thinking Dudes Dude!
With you on the brevity thing.
I actually just gave a presentation here at the museum on Paganism, didn't get the chance to include Dudeism. It's a very difficult thing to sit down and actually put into words why and when and how you do something you claim to be, and call, your religion.
Ah, you honour me sir!
What perhaps intrigues me most is that there's a museum in Portsmouth that isn't naval-based? Or did you hold that out of town? If there are any more interesting talks at a local museum I'd be interested in attending.
Ed unfortunately I presented at the Natural History Museum in London, not in Pompey at all.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 22, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
Ed unfortunately I presented at the Natural History Museum in London, not in Pompey at all.
I did think it was a little too far-fetched! Culture, in Pompey??
As a Christian, all this is easy. I believe there is a God, that he created us because he wanted to, not because he needed us, that there is a way to get to Heaven, and there is a consequence for not taking that option.
HOWEVER, I, unlike so many outspoken Christians, don't want to force feed it to any of you dudes. And, the Bible doesn't tell me to do that, either.
There are unoffensive answers to all the questions and statements on this thread, from a Christian point of view.
I may not know all those answers, though.
What I do like is the discussion. It hones my faith reading and talking to others who believe differently.
Having the "Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man" out is also nice. It puts an end to any argument.
So, I will be voicing my opinions here more often. When I'm not spending quality time with The Mrs. Righteous Dude, or my motorcycle. I won't be too heavy, but will gladly talk about the heavy stuff off the list.
For the record, Dudeism isn't pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, or any of that heavy stuff, man. It just IS. Sit back and enjoy it.
Quote from: FuckinA on February 22, 2010, 06:25:43 AM
So that means we're back in the same old believing or not believing in God discussion?
I don't think God needs man to exist, he wants man to exist, to abide and take it easy, like the Bible says, man (check out the rightious dudes podcast).
Thanks for the mention, dude! I haven't covered that, yet. It's a little heavy so early on. Maybe when I've been around a little longer, gotten a lot more relaxed. Ya gotta be relaxed and loose to talk the heavy stuff.
Quote from: therighteousdude on February 22, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
As a Christian, all this is easy. I believe there is a God, that he created us because he wanted to, not because he needed us, that there is a way to get to Heaven, and there is a consequence for not taking that option.
HOWEVER, I, unlike so many outspoken Christians, don't want to force feed it to any of you dudes. And, the Bible doesn't tell me to do that, either.
There are unoffensive answers to all the questions and statements on this thread, from a Christian point of view.
I may not know all those answers, though.
What I do like is the discussion. It hones my faith reading and talking to others who believe differently.
Having the "Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man" out is also nice. It puts an end to any argument.
So, I will be voicing my opinions here more often. When I'm not spending quality time with The Mrs. Righteous Dude, or my motorcycle. I won't be too heavy, but will gladly talk about the heavy stuff off the list.
For the record, Dudeism isn't pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, or any of that heavy stuff, man. It just IS. Sit back and enjoy it.
At least its an ethos.
and you can bowl on Saturday.
and eat bacon any day of the week.
and take any rug in the house.
:)
Quote from: Ed Churchman on February 22, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
I did think it was a little too far-fetched! Culture, in Pompey??
Only culture in Pompey is bacterial.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 23, 2010, 06:04:46 AM
Quote from: Ed Churchman on February 22, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
I did think it was a little too far-fetched! Culture, in Pompey??
Only culture in Pompey is bacterial.
Don't I know it, I'm currently working in Public Health for Hamshire and the Isle. If there is a Dudeist God, he's steering well clear of Pompey!
If Pompey is a nice quiet beach community, he better stay out. ;D
Quote from: not_exactly_a_lightweight on February 23, 2010, 08:52:29 PM
If Pompey is a nice quiet beach community, he better stay out. ;D
Opposite end of the spectrum really. He'd better not slow down even if he sees someone lying in the middle of the road.
Well actually it's not that bad but they all just have to tell you their opinion even if it wasn't asked for, about everything.
It is the place that during the Paedophile riots (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1548167/Should-parents-be-told-about-paedophiles-living-nearby.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1548167/Should-parents-be-told-about-paedophiles-living-nearby.html)) beat up pediatrician. because that's what a sexual pervert would do, put a brass plaque on the wall of their house advertising the fact.
Also the Facebook numpty who listed his job as "Drug Dealer" came from Pompey, and was surprised when the law came knocking at his door. He still denies it.
Damn straight. If the Dudeist God came to Portsmouth, he'd be:
a) Frightened of catching something.
b) Frightened of going anywhere near Guildhall walk on a Friday/Saturday night, for fear of drunken morons, drunken arseholes, drunken hen parties, drunken stag dos, drunken slags, drunken sailors and drunken police officers.
He'd probably stick to Southsea, and maybe venture out once in a while to pick up some eastern nibbles at Sun Hung Chan.
Damn, Portsmouth sounds fun, man! If I ever get the change to visit the States, it's n.1 on the list! Well, that and the In 'n Out Burger...
Quote from: FuckinA on February 24, 2010, 05:31:16 PM
Damn, Portsmouth sounds fun, man! If I ever get the change to visit the States...
Ah... Pompey is in the UK. ;D
They speak English, are we gonna split hairs here?
What are we blathering about here, Portsmouth, Pompey, or what? or are those three the same thing?
Forgive me, at least I didn't think it was something Lennon said.
Pompey is the local nickname for Portsmouth, probably because it's easier to say whilst inebriated ;)
Damn, now I'm sure I wanna go...
Quote from: FuckinA on February 24, 2010, 05:43:02 PM
They speak English, are we gonna split hairs here?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4386446255_6b9b503871_o.jpg)
Now THAT'S funny!
That's very funny. ;D
It fucking is, man!
It's taken me so long to read all this stuff that I forgot what I was gonna say.
Oh yeah.What did the Romans ever do for us.Yeah, I know.Shut the fuck up.
And another thing.I know all these gods exist 'cos people believe in them.
But I don't believe in them myself,it just encourages them.
I just think that they are a bunch of arrogant arseholes swanning around lording it over us meer mortals and claiming to have created us just so's we can worship them.
Are they so lacking in self esteem?
what is it with them?They should just take it easy.But that's just,you know,my opinion.
Quote from: Rev Zen Dog on July 04, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
Oh yeah.What did the Romans ever do for us.Yeah, I know.Shut the fuck up.
Believe it or not, the Romans gave us the dimensions of our Space Shuttle.
http://www.astrodigital.org/space/stshorse.html
A brahmin once asked Buddha: "are you a God"
"No brahmin," said Buddha.
"Are you a saint?"
"No brahmin," said Buddha.
"Are you a magician?"
"No brahmin," said Buddha.
"What are you then?"
"I am awake," said Buddha.
God is the state of wakefulness, the kindom of heaven within, the state of being fully human in the here and now, abiding. When you are taking er' easy, you are not fighting reality, and reality is the Divine, and the Divine is unknowable, but for our limited perspectives. Reality was kind enough to let you manifest, you should return the favor, everything is part of reality, so when you pee on someones rugg, you are peeing on realities rugg, God's rugg. But when you indulge realities harmless eccentricities, and go to it's gaih dance recital, reality responds and let's you slide on the rent.
That, and there are so many ins and outs to the nature of existance, that there is likely no possible way for the few pounds of fat we carry around in our skulls will ever figure it out.
But that's like just my opinion, but if asked I would say that Dudeism does most closely resemble Taoism and other Eastern things, but that doesn't preclude followers of JC, since he did have that Dudely vibe, and for me it is only all the extra BS heaped on after that ruins what that great Dude tried to share with us. It is known that Buddhist monks were in the area at the time, and the Gnostic sects that followed Jesus have some pretty Eastern concepts.
Is it an external God revealation, or an inner experienced oneness?
Quote from: revgms on July 18, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
...Is it an external God revealation, or an inner experienced oneness?
Neither it's an internal Dude revelation.
Any principle that requires admiration isn't real.
Any God who requires worship doesn't exist.
(Messiah's Handbook)
And Catholic priests?........8yr olds dude.
Craggy island's to good for them.
For me I consider the line drawn at "I talked to God!", cause that is usually followed by; "an' he said to kill all the (blank)!" or "an' he said we all need to cut off the end of our dicks!"
Gnosis vs Revelation, insight vs delusion
No deity is fucking about with my johnson. That kind of aggresion will definately not stand.
I think that Dudes need to abide other Dudes as far as religion and God/god goes. I am happy to see a lack of reactionaries on this forum when it comes to this topic.
You want to know what it's about? I can tell you what it's about mang! It's about...it's about...ah fuck it dudes...lets go bowling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiO3Od0or1g
Think ya' nailed it there CC, it is okay to wonder how the lane came to be, but at the end of the day, life is about rolling the ball.
Quote from: revgms on September 13, 2010, 09:10:58 AM
Think ya' nailed it there CC, it is okay to wonder how the lane came to be, but at the end of the day, life is about rolling the ball.
You got that right dude. Whether you roll strikes or gutter balls; whether you mark it 8 or zero, it's all about rolling the ball down the alley of life.
Good way to look at it, man.
do we need a "personal" god, i.e. a god, who has a personality? is it one? or more? does that matter anyway?
Every fucking thing in this universe comes from the same First Thing, whatever that was. so every particle or part of energy and whatyouhave in the universe is a brother to all others, and that's cool, man.
besides, does our canon mention a god(ess)? if not, then every Dudette and Dude can believe in any deity she or he likes.
Quote from: Duderetto on October 29, 2010, 05:24:08 PM
do we need a "personal" god, i.e. a god, who has a personality? is it one? or more? does that matter anyway?
Every fucking thing in this universe comes from the same First Thing, whatever that was. so every particle or part of energy and whatyouhave in the universe is a brother to all others, and that's cool, man.
besides, does our canon mention a god(ess)? if not, then every Dudette and Dude can believe in any deity she or he likes.
I'm still a Dudeist Pagan, I have loads of gods (I have pink gods, yellow gods, black gods....), but I stick with what I said earlier:
Quote from: meekon5 on July 20, 2010, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: revgms on July 18, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
...Is it an external God revealation, or an inner experienced oneness?
Neither it's an internal Dude revelation.
I think you reach a point that you realise your a Dudeist through either reading about or seeing the film or other media.
Quote from: meekon5 on April 13, 2010, 07:44:28 AM
The heavy influence of Taoism helped as well.
I don't feel that I became a Dudeist, it just gave me a convenient name to give everyone who needed a label to "understand" for their way of looking at the world. (not that I need a label because I have just been me for years now).
My gods are part of the way I understand myself, my Dudeism is part of the way I help other people understand me.
I don't know if there are any other 3 letters in sequence that mean so many different things to so many different people. I'm all about tolerance and diversity, really; as long as one doesn't think their god's instructing one to burn me alive or some such authoritarian bullshit because I don't believe what you do, it's all good.
I myself don't believe in a god with the qualities I usually hear about. You know, all-powerful, all-knowing, mega-benevolent, I don't see that squaring with the world. In fact I don't really believe in ghosts or spirits either, though I do sometimes feel something like a vibe from people. There's more to sentient life that just a few trillion atoms thrown together, me thinks. And there's always the earth, which is older than all of us, and will go on and on after we're all gone. That's purty mystic to me, which is why I think she should be treated well ;D
I forgot to add my favorite quote about God by Marcus Aurelius, the Roman Philosopher-Emperor: "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."