Any of you dudes know what the recent change by Ontario government in their definition of creed means for us? Will this finally allow us legal privileges to preside?
Well, Rev Wingnut dude, we just don't know. Welcome to our beach community, mang. Nice to see you on the lanes. Enjoy an oat soda!
I live In Ontario - what's this about "definition of creed"? Illuminate me...
Creed was always defined in religious fashion ie Christian Hindu but has been expanded to be more secular the example they used in the article i read was vegetarian. Also mentioned were the Pastafarians and their quest to wear spaghetti strainers on their head in official government id.
Does this translate into us being legit "priests"? What's changed?
Not quite the article I read but close to it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/camille-labchuk/veganism-ontario-human-right_b_8950052.html
Ah, got it now. Thanks Wingnut dude...
Vegetarian?
No In and Out Burger?
I'm out.
So a quick note. Creed is from the Latin Credo which means "I believe" so a creed is something one believes in. I really don't see how veganism or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster fit in as the one is a dietary choice (based on belief but not itself a belief) and the other is a thought experiment intended to disprove religious belief (and therefore would be an anti creed). Dudeism on the other hand has at its core the idea that we believe everyone is generally good (unless they happen to be a human paraquat) and takin' er easy is the highest calling.
Quote from: Dudelyflier on February 25, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
So a quick note. Creed is from the Latin Credo which means "I believe" so a creed is something one believes in. I really don't see how veganism or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster fit in as the one is a dietary choice (based on belief but not itself a belief) and the other is a thought experiment intended to disprove religious belief (and therefore would be an anti creed). Dudeism on the other hand has at its core the idea that we believe everyone is generally good (unless they happen to be a human paraquat) and takin' er easy is the highest calling.
Unless it's just fun and ironic to deify a character like the Dude and carry the irony to extremes.
Personally I'd say we have a lot of spaghetti monster in us.
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: Dudelyflier on February 25, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
So a quick note. Creed is from the Latin Credo which means "I believe" so a creed is something one believes in. I really don't see how veganism or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster fit in as the one is a dietary choice (based on belief but not itself a belief) and the other is a thought experiment intended to disprove religious belief (and therefore would be an anti creed). Dudeism on the other hand has at its core the idea that we believe everyone is generally good (unless they happen to be a human paraquat) and takin' er easy is the highest calling.
Unless it's just fun and ironic to deify a character like the Dude and carry the irony to extremes.
Personally I'd say we have a lot of spaghetti monster in us.
I'd have to disagree with that, Biker Dude. I'm sure there are plenty of Dudeists out there signing up for just that reason, but I don't think that's the primary goal of creating this religion... especially based on many writings and interviews with Dwayne Eutsey. We may keep our tongues firmly in cheek and have a healthy sense of humor in and about our ethos, but that's just how this particular philosophy is packaged. Our zen koans, if you will, are more like zen Coens. But I personally don't see Dudeism as a joke or mock religion in the way Pastafarianism is. I see it as a truly helpful philosophy, but one where you're encouraged to thumb your nose. I.E. the point is not to make mockery of religion with a religion, (as Pastafarianism does), but as an actual guiding ethos in and of itself where you're encouraged to laugh and have fun with it. We as Dudeists try not to take life too seriously, this includes our religion as well. But there is a guiding philosophy to follow within Dudeism, and you get out what you put in.
But that's just, like, my opinion man.
Quote from: ZoeAbides on February 26, 2016, 04:42:24 PM
I'd have to disagree with that, Biker Dude. I'm sure there are plenty of Dudeists out there signing up for just that reason, but I don't think that's the primary goal of creating this religion... especially based on many writings and interviews with Dwayne Eutsey. We may keep our tongues firmly in cheek and have a healthy sense of humor in and about our ethos, but that's just how this particular philosophy is packaged. Our zen koans, if you will, are more like zen Coens. But I personally don't see Dudeism as a joke or mock religion in the way Pastafarianism is. I see it as a truly helpful philosophy, but one where you're encouraged to thumb your nose. I.E. the point is not to make mockery of religion with a religion, (as Pastafarianism does), but as an actual guiding ethos in and of itself where you're encouraged to laugh and have fun with it. We as Dudeists try not to take life too seriously, this includes our religion as well. But there is a guiding philosophy to follow within Dudeism, and you get out what you put in.
But that's just, like, my opinion man.
Well put Dude!
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: Dudelyflier on February 25, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
So a quick note. Creed is from the Latin Credo which means "I believe" so a creed is something one believes in. I really don't see how veganism or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster fit in as the one is a dietary choice (based on belief but not itself a belief) and the other is a thought experiment intended to disprove religious belief (and therefore would be an anti creed). Dudeism on the other hand has at its core the idea that we believe everyone is generally good (unless they happen to be a human paraquat) and takin' er easy is the highest calling.
Unless it's just fun and ironic to deify a character like the Dude and carry the irony to extremes.
Personally I'd say we have a lot of spaghetti monster in us.
I'd take some exception to the idea that The Dude is being deified here... The ideology as I see it is more to the idea that The Dude isn't seen as a god, or that anyone wants to worship "The Dude". His lifestyle, attitude, the way he lives is an example of what we as Dudeists want to emulate, not that we're worshiping him. Abiding, taking it easy... finding your own way that's what it's about. How you get there is up to you. It also doesn't mean you can't have some other philosophy, ideology or religion that guides your life along with Dudeism. Lots of ins outs and what-have-yous.
I always thought the Deity aspect of Dudeism is similar to Buddhism in that they don't worship Buddha as a God but pay him respect for his teachings. That's how the Dude always seemed to fit in with me, he's the symbol of our religion and we pay a certain respect to him for showing us the way of the Dude but he is by no means a God. Treating a fictional character as a God is just silly but gaining inspiration and understanding from a fictional work, well I think that's something we can all Abide by. Or at least I can because the beauty of all this is it's simplicity, it's not to complicated and yet it's open to interpretation.
Spot on. We acknowledge The Big Lebowski and the Dude as being the inspiration for Dudeism (not to mention a great deal of gratitude to the Dudely Lama), but that's as far as it goes. Iconography and religion have walked hand-in-hand through the sands of time for centuries, and we have to have some form of imagery that represents our beliefs and separates us from other religions, so the Dude and the bowling ball Yin-Yang fill that capacity reasonably.
Our problem (well, one of 'em, anyway) lies in the fact that humor and religion don't generally co-exist in the same space. Most people take their personal beliefs so seriously that they have a great deal of difficulty wrapping their minds around the fact that we're able to incorporate fun and humor into ours. And the media exacerbates the problem by treating Dudeism as a parody religion simply because they can't understand it either. So the average perception is that we don't take Dudeism seriously--that's the only way most people can make Dudeism fit into their understanding of religion. Then they find out that we're proponents of weed, oat sodas, and Caucasians, and we're written off as a bunch of stoners. And that's cool...that's cool. But it only makes it more difficult for us to be taken seriously.
It don't matter to Jesus. The people who are open and receptive to Dudeism will "get it" one way or another; the people who aren't never will. Can't be worrying about that shit. Life goes on, man.
Right on Rev Al
I couldn't agree more Reverend Al, it's the fact that religion has become so ingrained with this sense of seriousness that it's damn near impossible for people to accept the fact that something can be both religious and light hearted at the same time. There is no mandatory suffering in Dudeism and therefore it can't be taken seriously as a real religion. Religion has become synonymous with sacrifice so when we come around cracking jokes and takin it easy people almost feel obligated to write us off as a parody.
Another issue we face is people can't seem to wrap their head around a religion that takes a majority of its teachings from a movie. They are quick to quote stories about talking bushes, devious snakes, invisible space boss, and magic babies but if they hear a quote from The Big Lebowski its treated as this ridiculous thing because it wasn't written 2000 years ago and there is hardly any magic.
Quote from: RandoRock on February 28, 2016, 01:58:01 AM...Another issue we face is people can't seem to wrap their head around a religion that takes a majority of its teachings from a movie. They are quick to quote stories about talking bushes, devious snakes, invisible space boss, and magic babies but if they hear a quote from The Big Lebowski its treated as this ridiculous thing because it wasn't written 2000 years ago and there is hardly any magic.
Well, that's the other issue.
The Big Lebowski is the
inspiration for Dudeism, but the "What is Dudeism?" page on the main site even says "Probably the earliest form of Dudeism was the original form of Chinese Taoism..." And Taoism's basic text, the Tao Te Ching, dates back to the 4th century BCE; not quite as old as the earliest texts of the Bible, but a worthy adversary. Granted, most people completely miss that connection and, in all fairness, if it weren't for the Dudely Lama's epiphany it's possible none of us would have made that connection either. And even though the Tao Te Ching may take an entire lifetime to understand, at least it doesn't mention talking bushes, devious snakes, invisible space bosses, magic babies, or zombie saviors.
Of course, we Dudeists aren't strictly limited to the Tao Te Ching. We're reasonably free to incorporate wisdom regardless of the source. But the fact that we have such a valued document to tie our room together means we aren't children wandering into a movie with no frame of reference.
I think we're missing the point.
What did Lao-Tzu think of The Big Lebowski? Was he a fan?
Quote from: jgiffin on February 28, 2016, 08:30:49 PM
I think we're missing the point.
What did Lao-Tzu think of The Big Lebowski? Was he a fan?
Well Tao-d, we just don't know.
Quote from: jgiffin on February 28, 2016, 08:30:49 PM
I think we're missing the point.
What did Lao-Tzu think of The Big Lebowski? Was he a fan?
Without critics there are no fans, without fans there is no performance, with the performance there can be no critics.... Or something like that, I'm fairly certain he never gave a straight answer to anything.
I'm sticking with my statement.
We are "disrespectful" of religion but in a Dude way.
We aren't a poke in the eye like the pastafarians but none the less we micturate on the same rugs in the same sense that any parody traffics in comic effect at the expense of the actual dick or rod or johnson.
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par?o?dy
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noun
1.
an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
"the movie is a parody of the horror genre"
synonyms: satire, burlesque, lampoon, pastiche, caricature, imitation, mockery; More
verb
1.
produce a humorously exaggerated imitation of (a writer, artist, or genre).
"his specialty was parodying schoolgirl fiction"
And that's cool. I mean didn't it ever occur to you? Sir?
We don't really fit the definition of a parody because we aren't imitating anything. If we want to be regarded as a real religion then we can't think of ourselves as an imitation. The fact that we incorporate humor into our ideals doesn't make them any less legitimate. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes it a point to emphasize the fact that most of the things they do are satire of the more established religions but Dudeism doesn't really do that. Sure Dudeism uses The Big Lebowski for inspiration but it does so in a way that doesn't mock the mainstream religions, instead it uses The Big Lebowski as a frame of reference to create something entirely new. A religion that doesn't take it's self too seriously and yet is still as real as any other.
QuoteWe don't really fit the definition of a parody because we aren't imitating anything.
Really?
It must just be me but as far as I can see we generally revel in mocking iconography.
(http://i2.wp.com/dudeism.com/Images/bookofthedude.gif?resize=256%2C366)
(http://i2.wp.com/dudeism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/dudefish-patch-medium.jpg?resize=231%2C122)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/32/7c/1f/327c1fda168ba8478a002ca074ea60a8.gif)
Etc..
All of which I dig.
Quote from: BikerDude on March 01, 2016, 12:48:19 AM
QuoteWe don't really fit the definition of a parody because we aren't imitating anything.
Really?
It must just be me but as far as I can see we generally revel in mocking iconography...
Mocking, yes. Imitating, no. ;D
I suppose this is one of those agree to disagree situations since I am in no position to tell you what Dudeism means to you, and vise versa. So in the true spirit I say fuck it , Dude, let's go bowling!