Top 10 Ridiculous Parody Religions
Those rich fucks! This whole fucking thing-- I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this fucking strumpet can call Dudeism one of the "Top 10 Ridiculous Parody Religions!" >:(
OVER THE LINE!!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfp1vxuXKQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfp1vxuXKQ)
...Well, there isn't a literal connection, Dude
(http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/LISTS/buscemi/Donny_The_Big_Lebowski_Buscemi.jpg)
I'm just curious about what bridge needs to be crossed to go from being considered parody to "official". At what magical point was it that Scientology or Church of latter day saints was accepted as not parody for example. I'm sure lobbying and money was involved, something that most of these honorable religions on the list haven't/won't do. Especially Dudeism.
"All you needed was a sap to pin it on, and
you'd just met me. You thought,
hey, a deadbeat, a loser, someone
the square community won't give a
shit about.
LEBOWSKI
Well? Aren't you?
DUDE
Well. . . yeah."
Just came to mind, keeping it limber with cheap whiskey. From their point of view its a joke religion, and its kind of true. Every religion is a joke religion, just think about all the "founding myths" they have. Im not suprised they called Dudeim a joke religion, Im suprised people still dont call every other religion a joke, man.
Wrong on two counts, Dudeism and Erisian, but to quote my boss this evening, Eris will get them.
Quote from: Robert Anton Wilson
"The difference is the number of members and the size of the bank account"
Fuck it. Can't be worrying about that shit. Life goes on! Besides, consider the source--who cares about a bunch of assholes who think it's cool to spell "Tens" with a z?
I can't disappoint by missing an opportunity to point out another of the ways that the "biggies" meet the criteria of being a "parady" religion.
For instance....
The Vatican set the world record for paraquatism by profiteering on the Holocaust.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank (http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank)
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By World War II, the church had sizeable investments and created the Vatican Bank in order to hide its financial dealings with the Nazis from the U.S. and Britain.
"I was surprised to the extent to which the Vatican was deeply embedded with German companies," Posner says. "They bundled together life insurance policies of Jewish refugees who had been sent to Auschwitz and other death camps. They escheated these policies early on ? meaning they took the cash value of them."
Later, when the surviving children or grandchildren of the victims tried to collect on the insurance policies, they were refused. "These insurance companies would refuse to pay out saying: 'Show us a death certificate,' which they knew was impossible," Posner explains. "They would keep the money."
Now tell me that any of the fucks at the league office give one good wet fart for anything Jesus said. They are just in the business of making others believe it.
It's like Lennon said ..... you look at who profits and.....
Quote from: BikerDude on January 30, 2015, 09:33:51 AM
I can't disappoint by missing an opportunity to point out another of the ways that the "biggies" meet the criteria of being a "parady" religion.
For instance....
The Vatican set the world record for paraquatism by profiteering on the Holocaust.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank (http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank)
Quote
By World War II, the church had sizeable investments and created the Vatican Bank in order to hide its financial dealings with the Nazis from the U.S. and Britain.
"I was surprised to the extent to which the Vatican was deeply embedded with German companies," Posner says. "They bundled together life insurance policies of Jewish refugees who had been sent to Auschwitz and other death camps. They escheated these policies early on ? meaning they took the cash value of them."
Later, when the surviving children or grandchildren of the victims tried to collect on the insurance policies, they were refused. "These insurance companies would refuse to pay out saying: 'Show us a death certificate,' which they knew was impossible," Posner explains. "They would keep the money."
Now tell me that any of the fucks at the league office give one good wet fart for anything Jesus said. They are just in the business of making others believe it.
It's like Lennon said ..... you look at who profits and.....
I am the Walrus.
Were I ever to meet this gentleman on the street there is only one thing I could think of to say to him.
"No, you're not wrong, man. You're just an asshole."
Ah, fuck 'em. Personally I think most of the "proper" religions are essentially parodies at this point. The way they're often applied in our times makes a mockery of the entire purpose they claim to serve.
Fuck it. Who cares what some ponce with a smart accent and a cleft asshole thinks about what we do. Clearly his life must be very empty to spend time making such videos.
Christianity started as a Roman cult about a carpenter that chased the money changers out of a temple.
Dudeism started as movie about a stoner looking to get compensation for a piss stained rug.
I fail to see how one is more or less valid than the other.
Quote from: AJ_86 on February 16, 2015, 02:47:56 PMChristianity started as a Roman cult about a carpenter that chased the money changers out of a temple.
Dudeism started as movie about a stoner looking to get compensation for a piss stained rug.
I fail to see how one is more or less valid than the other.
Especially since they're both based (as far as we know) on the words and actions of fictional characters.
Quote from: Reverend Al on February 16, 2015, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: AJ_86 on February 16, 2015, 02:47:56 PMChristianity started as a Roman cult about a carpenter that chased the money changers out of a temple.
Dudeism started as movie about a stoner looking to get compensation for a piss stained rug.
I fail to see how one is more or less valid than the other.
Especially since they're both based (as far as we know) on the words and actions of fictional characters.
Actually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers.
And there is a mention of JC in another document (allegedly), the dead sea scrolls (http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/?locale=en_US).
Though the second is debatable (http://beyondallreligion.net/2012/06/29/what-do-the-dead-sea-scrolls-say-about-jesus/).
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AM...And there is a mention of JC in another document (allegedly), the dead sea scrolls (http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/?locale=en_US).
Though the second is debatable (http://beyondallreligion.net/2012/06/29/what-do-the-dead-sea-scrolls-say-about-jesus/).
Well, that's the thing. I don't claim to be an expert on the matter, but from what I've read there are those who claim there is physical evidence that proves the existence of Jesus Christ (other than the Bible and a handful of other documents, that is), and just as many who claim there isn't. I suppose my bigger question is, why do so many people treat the Bible like it's an unimpeachable historical textbook? In my late-teens and early-20s I spent a great deal of time among the Born-Again Christian crowd, and none of them, including the pastor of the church I attended occasionally, could answer this question. Actually, that's not entirely accurate--the answer they gave when they didn't have a
real answer was, "Well, you have to have faith." That might be good enough for those who
want to believe and are willing to suspend reason, but it was never good enough for the skeptic and/or the agnostic in me. Hell, I have 25 books filled with stories about an English Lord named John Clayton who was raised by apes in Africa and later became known to the world at large as Tarzan. So by Christian logic (or lack thereof), Clayton/Tarzan was a real person as well. And so was Batman, Sherlock Holmes, Sam Spade, Count Dracula, Harry Potter, and so on, all because their respective exploits were contained in books that many people cherish. ???
I completely agree on the bible side, I found out last year that there are copies of the bible extant (found during the Victorian period) that do not even have the resurrection in them, a central tenet to Roman Catholicism.
Quote from: Reverend Al on February 18, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.
Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 18, 2015, 08:19:32 AM
I completely agree on the bible side, I found out last year that there are copies of the bible extant (found during the Victorian period) that do not even have the resurrection in them, a central tenet to Roman Catholicism.
Quote from: Reverend Al on February 18, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.
Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.
I believe we need a Dudeist conclave on this point.
I think that the movie clearly is a very important part of Dudeism.
True that Dudeism has existed through time but the movie uniquely illuminates the point.
I just don't think you can have Dudeism without the character of the Dude.
And who would want to? The movie is awesome.
I'd point to the words of the Dudely Lama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0)
And just for kicks I give you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY)
Love it when Jerry says "what we are thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking about power, we're not thinking about those kind of struggles, revolution or war or any of that, etc...
We'd all like to live an uncluttered life. A simple life, a good life, and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step."
Jerryism?
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.
Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*
* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.
Quote from: meekon5 on February 18, 2015, 08:19:32 AMQuote from: Reverend Al on February 18, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.
Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.
You're correct, of course. I should have said Dudeism was inspired by the movie, not based on it. I stand corrected.
Quote from: Reverend Al on February 19, 2015, 12:48:41 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 18, 2015, 08:19:32 AMQuote from: Reverend Al on February 18, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.
Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.
You're correct, of course. I should have said Dudeism was inspired by the movie, not based on it. I stand corrected.
Looks like we are dealing with a sliding scale of importance in the minds of most Dudeists.
Some see the movie as more important than others.
Personally I believe that the very act of basing a religion on a character from a movie is in a way the point. It's central to the foundation of Dudeism. And especially basing it on a character like the Dude who is obviously fallible and generally a fuck up.
And that's cool man.
Dudeism is to my mind a celebration of modesty. We claim no infallibility or magic knowledge.
The character that we choose to canonize is a stoner fuck up. And it's a realization that it is preferable to aspire toward being the Dude than toward some false perfection where you end up a fake, a fucking gold bricker like the Big L.
It's a realization that while the Jesus can fucking roll man in the end who would you rather have on your bowling team? It's a slam dunk. I'd rather have an oat soda with the Dude any day. Being a Dude is worthy fucking aspiration.(That and making the finals)
But of course we are all made up of the holy trinity of Walter, Donny and Dude and much as we can we should endeavor to be Dude like. The Dude defines a purity.
It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.
Quote from: BikerDude on February 19, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.
Sorry insanely busy in the real world of jobs.
And this is good we haven't had one of these discussions for ages.
I'm not exactly disagreeing with this point of view, but it's the Taoist point that the Dude is important but not central.
The Dude is a very good example of how to live life as a dudeist, but he is not a saint. He is not everything. To paraphrase Buddhism, and Buddha, this works for me but it's not necessarily the way it should work for you.
TBL is not a holy text as in the bible. Literally to canonise the Dude is to confuse the finger pointing with the object it is pointing at.
If you see the Dude on the road, kill him!
Quote from: jgiffin on February 18, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.
Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*
* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.
There was a lot of publicity at one point about the Dead Sea Scrolls mentioning Jesus, but eventually it turned out to be some phrase about a teacher that could not be acredited to Jesus (xians grabbing at straws again).
Quote from: meekon5 on February 19, 2015, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 19, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
It's sort of like the flying spaghetti monster but not so insulting.
The Dude stands in stark contrast to the seriousness of most religious symbols and that's a good thing.
It's the point.
It's sort of funny and funny is good.
It's Dudeism so that's what you call it man.
My 2 cents.
Sorry insanely busy in the real world of jobs.
And this is good we haven't had one of these discussions for ages.
I'm not exactly disagreeing with this point of view, but it's the Taoist point that the Dude is important but not central.
The Dude is a very good example of how to live life as a dudeist, but he is not a saint. He is not everything. To paraphrase Buddhism, and Buddha, this works for me but it's not necessarily the way it should work for you.
TBL is not a holy text as in the bible. Literally to canonise the Dude is to confuse the finger pointing with the object it is pointing at.
If you see the Dude on the road, kill him!
It reminds me that we often go down the path where we discuss Dudeism while being Dudes.
It's sort of impossible.
Even the kill the Buddha statement. It illustrates the 2 vantage points.
Being truly enlightened is reaching a place where one doesn't need the example any longer.
To be truly enlightened you must reach a place where you fully and truly internalize the mojo.
So the Buddha becomes irrelevant. An external, less personal embodiment of principles.
But when speaking of the path or the discipline or the religion the Buddha is a useful and necessary for each of us to realize our own Buddhahood.
That's all well and good. But I do believe that there are some other aspects to Dudeism that make it unique.
One is that we are based on or inspired by the character of the Dude. Rather than a character or person that achieves elevated status in the traditional way.
The Character of the Dude is perhaps not even the best example of being Dude.
He is often capable of real undudeness. And that is cool man. Fallibility and no expectation of perfection is part of being Dude.
Does the path of Dudeism lead to some enlightenment?
In a way. But I think the enlightenment is sort of a realization that enlightenment is over rated and you are better off spending your time listening to tunes and rolling and the occasional acid flashback. And watching movies.
I guess the path to Dudeism hopefully leads to not giving a fuck about "paths" in general (or enlightenment amongst a long list of other things).
And being totally cool with that.
To claim any level of elevated consciousness or enlightenment is not like the Dude.
The Dude doesn't claim to have any knowledge of a path to anything like that.
We are like Buddhists that started down the path, and just got tired, and stopped to burn one, and lost our train of thought. So we said "fuck it Dude, lets go bowling". And we're good with that.
We have no answers and believe that answers are unnecessary and the quest for them is exhausting. So fuck it. That's our answer for everything. Tattoo it on your foreheads.
But I could be wrong.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xmlg5SkyAdk/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://www.jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Funny-meme-The-less-you-give-a-fuck-resizecrop--.jpg)
Quote from: BikerDude on February 19, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
That's all well and good. But I do believe that there are some other aspects to Dudeism that make it unique.
One is that we are based on or inspired by the character of the Dude. Rather than a character or person that achieves elevated status in the traditional way.
On the other hand, veneration of a fictional character is one of the few traits Dudeism shares with most mainstream beliefs.
Quote from: jgiffin on February 18, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
That interesting, man. I haven't seen anything that links the dead sea scrolls with the Jesus. The link was cool but I didn't see it there, either. Anyway, I understand the scrolls consists mostly of passages from the torah.
Of course, the new testaments (a/k/a the Happy Fun Time Jebus Show) are, to a large extent, built on the supposed fulfillment of prophecies from the torah. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrolls' alleged references to the J-man were predicated on the same spurious assumptions (e.g., "look, a dude on a mule coming through the gates - it must be the lord!" or "the chick said she didn't lie with anyone - god did it!" or "well, he was crucified - it aint like they do that regularly is it?").*
* Yeah, I didn't even make up these examples. The original sources are sufficiently ridiculous. See, Zechariah 9:9, Gen. 3:15, and Psalm 22:16-18.
On the contradictions and inconsistencies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I)
And of course..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVS_zG4a1ag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVS_zG4a1ag)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A)
Quote from: BikerDude on January 30, 2015, 09:33:51 AM
I can't disappoint by missing an opportunity to point out another of the ways that the "biggies" meet the criteria of being a "parady" religion.
For instance....
The Vatican set the world record for paraquatism by profiteering on the Holocaust.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank (http://www.npr.org/2015/01/30/382374060/from-laundering-to-profiteering-a-multitude-of-sins-at-the-vatican-bank)
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By World War II, the church had sizeable investments and created the Vatican Bank in order to hide its financial dealings with the Nazis from the U.S. and Britain.
"I was surprised to the extent to which the Vatican was deeply embedded with German companies," Posner says. "They bundled together life insurance policies of Jewish refugees who had been sent to Auschwitz and other death camps. They escheated these policies early on ? meaning they took the cash value of them."
Later, when the surviving children or grandchildren of the victims tried to collect on the insurance policies, they were refused. "These insurance companies would refuse to pay out saying: 'Show us a death certificate,' which they knew was impossible," Posner explains. "They would keep the money."
Now tell me that any of the fucks at the league office give one good wet fart for anything Jesus said. They are just in the business of making others believe it.
It's like Lennon said ..... you look at who profits and.....
Fuckin eh man far fuckin out
Quote from: BikerDude on February 18, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 18, 2015, 08:19:32 AM
I completely agree on the bible side, I found out last year that there are copies of the bible extant (found during the Victorian period) that do not even have the resurrection in them, a central tenet to Roman Catholicism.
Quote from: Reverend Al on February 18, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on February 17, 2015, 08:35:36 AMActually the Dude is based on the real Dude, Jeff Dowd (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/biglebowski.php), an associate of the Coen Brothers...
True, and I understand your point, but Dudeism is based on a movie with a central character named Jeffrey Lebowski, not Jeff Dowd.
Here I have to say I don't agree, the Dude in the film is an example, much like the Buddhas, Dudeism is not based on the movie, the movie is not holy text. I think this is a fundamental mistake many people make the film is not scripture to Dudeists, it is my belief that you may be a Dudeist and not ever have heard of the film, take Lao Tsu for instance.
Dudeism is a way of being, I was a dudeist before I found the label to hang upon myself for the convenience of others.
I believe we need a Dudeist conclave on this point.
I think that the movie clearly is a very important part of Dudeism.
True that Dudeism has existed through time but the movie uniquely illuminates the point.
I just don't think you can have Dudeism without the character of the Dude.
And who would want to? The movie is awesome.
I'd point to the words of the Dudely Lama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kL_cm7UOAo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZAyrzsIss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhxcFK7cK0)
And just for kicks I give you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxbJzyVzaY)
Love it when Jerry says "what we are thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking about power, we're not thinking about those kind of struggles, revolution or war or any of that, etc...
We'd all like to live an uncluttered life. A simple life, a good life, and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step."
Jerryism?
I sort of agree but i think dudeism is just a pick of different religions like Taoism and Zen Buddhism but with an example of how to take things emotionally and stuff like in my opinion man