I know the dude loved his burgers, but in an effort to be less of a dick to animals I've been vegan for the last year. I'm digging it and find it really ties my dudeist practice together.
I personally don't think that living close to the natural order is being unkind.
But of course the way we raise cattle and chickens and what have you can be horrible.
To that end I prefer venison when I can get it.
IMO there is a balance in nature that includes predator and pray. We are supposed to be a part of that.
The sin is that we have no regard for that balance.This is responsible for so many problems.
We have no problem with creating giant cities that are incapable of feeding themselves with the available local resources. We maintain them by having huge industrial farms and highways to carry supplies on and on and on. The wholesale devastation of entire areas. If we lived in balance with the natural environment that would not be possible. The population would have to strike a balance with the natural environment. That would be very Dude indeed IMO.
space truckers square pigs (the next stage)
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and I have to agree with BD I like a bit of venison now and again.
Too fond of the taste of dead flesh, dead rotting carcass according to a veggy associate of mine (technically correct because most meat has to be "hung" to mature it for a bit).
Those are good burgers, dude! 8)
(http://dudespaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/in-n-out-burger.jpg)
I tried it for like a week. Once I learned that you're not even supposed to eat cheese either, I was like fuck that! I also tried semi vegetarianizm or whatever, where you just eat veggies and fish only, or chicken and eggs or some shit. But by the time the holidays come around I'm eating pork shoulder almost every week. I just try to stay away from the heavily processed meats if possible.
Quote from: LazyDude on January 08, 2015, 01:17:11 PM
I tried it for like a week. Once I learned that you're not even supposed to eat cheese either, I was like fuck that!...
Same here, cant live without cheese, it's the little things in life and cheese is one of the small pleasures I still afford myself. I love it!
As a diabetic I have to watch my diet but once a month I'm there cheese fest (my special treat)!
;D
Do you Brits get Oka cheese over there? OMFG... M5, you'd love it. SWMBO is a brit, and can't get enough.
(SWMBO = "she who must be obeyed") ;-)
Quote from: Hominid on January 09, 2015, 12:23:54 AM
(SWMBO = "she who must be obeyed") ;-)
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I am familiar with the term ;D
(actually originally from the film She (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059710/), but then used a lot in Rumpole of the Bailey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078680/))
Quote from: meekon5 on January 08, 2015, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: LazyDude on January 08, 2015, 01:17:11 PM
I tried it for like a week. Once I learned that you're not even supposed to eat cheese either, I was like fuck that!...
Same here, cant live without cheese, it's the little things in life and cheese is one of the small pleasures I still afford myself. I love it!
As a diabetic I have to watch my diet but once a month I'm there cheese fest (my special treat)!
;D
Good cheese is one of the great things in life.
Typically the wife and I take a trip to Vermont in March and one of the things we do is visit a particular cheese shop. Very great locally made cheeses. I stock up.
(http://www.kjbaarons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/whole-foods-specialty-cheeses-1.jpg)
Quote from: BikerDude on January 09, 2015, 09:05:18 AM
Good cheese is one of the great things in life.
Typically the wife and I take a trip to Vermont in March and one of the things we do is visit a particular cheese shop. Very great locally made cheeses. I stock up.
(http://www.kjbaarons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/whole-foods-specialty-cheeses-1.jpg)
That has my mouth watering just looking at it.
Myself no. I believe we are top of the food chain and meat tastes GOOD!
I understand the be kind to animals angle however as I too love and respect animals. I do believe they should be treated with respect, even if they're raised for food. They should also be slaughtered in a humane manner.
Look at how the native Americans did it- by thanking the animal and celebrating its life.
I understand vegetarianism but what I don't and will never get is veganism. No eggs, no milk, no cheese??? Animals aren't killed for these! And I don't want to hear "the animals are mistreated in harvesting milk, eggs, etc". I'm sure it happens here and there but think about it- if the animals aren't happy and healthy they aren't going to produce a good product so why would farmers mistreat their livelihood? It's ludicrous.
I have a vegan friend who preached that all the time and ate all this fake crap like imitation cheese and meats... This same friend is also the sickliest person I know and looks terrible. That fake shit is loaded with chemicals and other garbage, so the "it's a healthier way to eat" angle is pure nonsense as well.
I personally love food and take pride in cooking using fresh, quality ingredients in my meals. It's a nice feeling knowing it is a good meal without a bunch of preservatives and chemicals.
But dude, if you like being a vegan go for it. Not telling you it's wrong, this is just like my opinion man.
Exactly!
If we were not intended to eat critters they wouldn't taste so good fried in butter and smothered in shrooms, onions and gravy.
Or roasted over red hot coals and slathered with BBQ sauce.
Or slow braised in wine and herbs with root vegetables.
Personally I have never given more than a passing thought to how the beef or chicken happens to find its way to my table. It's just a cultural thing to me. We eat meat and vegetables and tubers and so forth and that's the way I was brought up. My parents ate meat and their parents and yadda, yadda, yadda.
That being said there are definite health benefits to veganism. A couple of years ago I went on a vegan diet for 4 months from September through December inclusive. This was in the days when my employer conducted annual health screenings of all the employees which included blood work. One year in December (my birth month) I did my blood work and the results were within the established parameters for cholesterol and triglycerides but toward the high end. The following year I went vegan at the beginning of September and then got my blood work done at the end of December. My HDL went up, my LDL went down, and my triglycerides were cut in half. Triglycerides are the amount of fat that circulates in the blood stream and if it's high enough it is actually visible in a blood draw or when emptying a drain.
So the meat eating thing is, for me, a cultural thing which I have never felt sufficient need to alter in my life but the vegan diet is definitely healthier if the person is concerned with blood chemistry and the potential health implications.
Vegans always seem to look pale, weak and under-nourished. It seems to me that its an extreme. I did explore it once. Read "Vegetarian Myth" by Lierre Keith. She was a vegan for a long time and for all the right reasons, but in the end she discovered that the whole concept was flawed. Even plants need death to survive. Goes hand in hand with accepting the cycle of life and nature.
I try to eat moderately and follow the adage "you are what you eat ate". By buying locally produced meats and produce you can seek out farmers that still grow things without steroids or chemicals.
Ribeye is just too damn good to deny ones self...
Like they say, we have canine teeth for a reason. I do love cow parts...
Quote from: Hominid on January 10, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
Like they say, we have canine teeth for a reason. I do love cow parts...
Those are good burgers, Walter.
Quote from: Hominid on January 10, 2015, 08:22:55 PMLike they say, we have canine teeth for a reason...
We do, but compared to almost every other animal on the planet they're woefully underdeveloped. From what I've read, most anthropologists believe human physiology is (or was) more similar to that of herbivores, and that humans evolved into being omnivores in order to survive. If I
had to I could probably become a vegetarian, but I wouldn't be happy about it because I likes my beef and chicken. ;D
Not a vegan here. More power to anyone going for it, though. From a purely intellectual and moral standpoint, it's pretty unassailable. I'm wussing out and taking a middle-ground of sorts: still eating meat but trying damned hard to source it from (relatively) humane and healthier sources. Especially after watching "Food, Inc." a couple times.
I just can't look at the big-ass meat counter full of formerly moving things pumped full of steroids and antibiotics, stuffed in cages only marginally larger than their bodies, and then slaughtered without ever setting foot on grass.I get the whole circle of life thing. I enjoy partaking in it. But, man, you don't need to be a rocket surgeon (or Peter Singer) to see some moral failings in the industrial food complex our societies have created.
I'm very un-vegan. A diet of meat, cheese, eggs and vegetables has been of great benefit. Used to have weight and health issues, then I cut out all the crap and sorted it all out.
I respect other people's choices. Though I often find myself agreeing with this sketch..
Mitchell and Webb - Dinner Party: http://youtu.be/63NNuG-6-hQ
Not for nothin', but how are you going to drink a Caucasian on a vegan diet?
Have you ever made a Russian with soy milk? I have (desperate times, desperate measures), and I did not have to be careful, because there was no beverage there.
Quote from: DudeOf1Letter on January 12, 2015, 02:30:37 AM
Not for nothin', but how are you going to drink a Caucasian on a vegan diet?
Have you ever made a Russian with soy milk? I have (desperate times, desperate measures), and I did not have to be careful, because there was no beverage there.
DudeOf1Letter, welcome to our beach community and pee free rug, mang! Good to have you hear, dude.
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Quote from: Reverend Al on January 10, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Hominid on January 10, 2015, 08:22:55 PMLike they say, we have canine teeth for a reason...
We do, but compared to almost every other animal on the planet they're woefully underdeveloped. From what I've read, most anthropologists believe human physiology is (or was) more similar to that of herbivores, and that humans evolved into being omnivores in order to survive. If I had to I could probably become a vegetarian, but I wouldn't be happy about it because I likes my beef and chicken. ;D
Also I'm under the impression that it was the increase in protien that comes with meat eating that helped our distant relatives "think" more constructively and help with tool creation.
Meat=Brain Power!
Why? Years ago my old lady convinced me and the kids to follow that vegetarian trail. Dude. I couldn't do it for more than a couple of days. The kids and I chose the Big Mac and fries over tofu, beets and carrots. She ain't my old lady anymore. Life is good.
There's a reason they call our "old lady" SWMBO.
(She Who Must Be Obeyed)
Quote from: meekon5 on January 12, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: Reverend Al on January 10, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Hominid on January 10, 2015, 08:22:55 PMLike they say, we have canine teeth for a reason...
We do, but compared to almost every other animal on the planet they're woefully underdeveloped. From what I've read, most anthropologists believe human physiology is (or was) more similar to that of herbivores, and that humans evolved into being omnivores in order to survive. If I had to I could probably become a vegetarian, but I wouldn't be happy about it because I likes my beef and chicken. ;D
Also I'm under the impression that it was the increase in protien that comes with meat eating that helped our distant relatives "think" more constructively and help with tool creation.
Meat=Brain Power!
Yes.
And hunting was a part of Human Evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_hypothesis)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunting-was-a-driving-force-in-human-evolution/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunting-was-a-driving-force-in-human-evolution/)
So then, what if you're a cannibal that only eats vegans?
Quote from: ZoeAbides on March 19, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
So then, what if you're a cannibal that only eats vegans?
Are they Kosher Vegans? (actually that's just down to how you kill them).
Personally I feel I could kill and prepare the meat if I had to so I have no problems (or delusions) as to what it is and where it comes from, hand me the fluffy bunny and the meat cleaver there!