Some kind of connection here dudes and dudettes.........
* Nixon's (in)famous comment.............
"You know, you see these bums, you know, blowin' up on the campuses." - Richard Nixon, NY Times May 2, 1970.
* Nixon is an icon of the Big Lebowski..............
* The Big Lebowski shouts...............
Your "revolution" is over, Mr. Lebowski! Condolences! The bums lost!
My advice is, do what your parents did! Get a job, sir! The bums will always lose-- do you hear me, Lebowski? THE BUMS WILL ALWAYS.......
Men who are unable to achieve on a level field of play. Men who will not sign their names. Weaklings. Bums.
I see Tau in the Big Lebowski here and some fucking Zen, dudes and dudettes. A literal connection or separate incidences? Am I wrong? An asshole? OK then.
Footnote..............
I was thinking that the Dude and The Big Lebowski has similar attributes in subconsciously quoting people who influence them. Here is a lead..............
Theory...being a Nixon supporter, in the parlance of his times (if not a conservative Republican wanna be), the Big Lebowski was influenced by Nixon (i.e,; "bums" comments) deep in his id.........
Jeff Lebowski (the Dude) was influenced by many people deep in his id. As we can see him quoting many people in the movie; "this aggression will not stand, man!"
Conclusion.......the Dude and the Big Lebowski had many personality traits not readily or easily seen on the surface, but were there none the less.
Will be looking for more leads. Got the boys in the crime lab (my mind) working in shifts.
Good catch dude. I think the the dude's fuck it attitude may in fact be because the bums lost. Think about it; the port Huron statement got compromised, the civil rights movement failed to truly integrate and led to Detroit and many other cities burning, Nixon's national guard put down the Kent state uprising, Attica, the devolution of hippie idealism in to destructive nihilism like the weather underground and simbianese liberation army. He probably realized that ideologically pure idealism can only take one of two forms: ineffective pacifism, or becoming the fucking fascism it's fighting. One must abide in your ideals without any expectations outside of your own peace of mind.
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Two of the greatest minds of the humanist era, France's Voltaire and England's Samuel Johnson both reached that same conclusion at almost exactly the same time, propagating that notion via their two most famous works of fiction: "Candide" and "Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia" respectively. Voltaire's is the funnier and more famous, but Johnson's is arguably more lovely.
After going on long idealistic journeys to find the meaning of life, they both discover that idealism is inherently flawed. both of the titular characters return to their homes and just sort of say "fuck it." The message of both novels is this: tend to your own little garden and be respectful of the other gardens in your vicinity. This was the holy decree of humanism.
In other words, humanism was one of the great Dudeist revolutions in history. The Lebowski Testament is the one for our time and place, but it has many antecedents.
Many learned men have dudesputed this.
Forumdude, you are definitely a wiser fella than myself. Happy 4th dude.
sorry if that bit read like a lecture.
happy 4th to you, semper su fi.
Quote from: forumdude on July 04, 2009, 01:11:01 PM
Two of the greatest minds of the humanist era, France's Voltaire and England's Samuel Johnson both reached that same conclusion at almost exactly the same time, propagating that notion via their two most famous works of fiction: "Candide" and "Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia" respectively. Voltaire's is the funnier and more famous, but Johnson's is arguably more lovely.
After going on long idealistic journeys to find the meaning of life, they both discover that idealism is inherently flawed. both of the titular characters return to their homes and just sort of say "fuck it." The message of both novels is this: tend to your own little garden and be respectful of the other gardens in your vicinity. This was the holy decree of humanism.
In other words, humanism was one of the great Dudeist revolutions in history. The Lebowski Testament is the one for our time and place, but it has many antecedents.
Many learned men have dudesputed this.
Johnson?
Quote from: sufidude on July 03, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Good catch dude. I think the the dude's fuck it attitude may in fact be because the bums lost. Think about it; the port Huron statement got compromised, the civil rights movement failed to truly integrate and led to Detroit and many other cities burning, Nixon's national guard put down the Kent state uprising, Attica, the devolution of hippie idealism in to destructive nihilism like the weather underground and simbianese liberation army. He probably realized that ideologically pure idealism can only take one of two forms: ineffective pacifism, or becoming the fucking fascism it's fighting. One must abide in your ideals without any expectations outside of your own peace of mind.
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It would seem that the dude had retired from being an activist into the peaceful life of the bowling. It was Zen for the dude.
Quote from: digitalbuddha on July 05, 2009, 02:34:38 AM
It would seem that the dude had retired from being an activist into the peaceful life of the bowling. It was Zen for the dude.
It is for a lot of us dude.
Yes the Dude had retired, it was his 42nd year, his 6th sabbatical year. The film begins Aug. 6/90, the Dude's 43 birthday. His sabbatical ends, and he goes straight back to work.
The Dude still cared, too. "They're gonna kill that poor woman!" Walter couldn't be bothered, but the Dude was heartbroken, even when he thought that they still had the million dollars. It wasn't about the money for the Dude. All the dude ever wanted was his rug back.
Oh yeah man, that's far out.
So Nixon represented the "anti dude" but Nixon was a bowler.
Sort of like the Dude tied it all together.
Out there making up for all us sinners.
Far out man!
Quote from: BikerDude on August 20, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
So Nixon represented the "anit dude" but Nixon was a bowler.
Bowling matches are like light saber duels between dudes and reactionaries.
Quote from: digitalbuddha on July 05, 2009, 02:34:38 AM
It would seem that the dude had retired from being an activist into the peaceful life of the bowling. It was Zen for the dude.
I myself dabbled with Zen once. Not in 'Nam of course...
Quote from: Fawn_Kneutson on August 24, 2009, 10:08:43 AM
I myself dabbled with Zen once. Not in 'Nam of course...
Zen is nothing to hide behind...
Quote from: sufidude on August 20, 2009, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on August 20, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
So Nixon represented the "anit dude" but Nixon was a bowler.
Bowling matches are like light saber duels between dudes and reactionaries.
Whoe man! I just freaked!
So like Maybe nixon was the dudes real father.
"Look into your heart dude, you know it's true"
This thread brings up the question: How Dude-like were the Dude's parents?
And wasn't Nixon the first President to meet the Chinaman in their own country? Probably not a significan event, because really, the Chinaman is not the issue here.
You're joking, but perhaps you're right.
Quote from: Bartender on December 16, 2009, 08:08:47 PM
And wasn't Nixon the first President to meet the Chinaman in their own country? Probably not a significan event, because really, the Chinaman is not the issue here.
........and dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature here, Asian American, please.
Quote from: sufidude on July 03, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Good catch dude. I think the the dude's fuck it attitude may in fact be because the bums lost. Think about it; the port Huron statement got compromised, the civil rights movement failed to truly integrate and led to Detroit and many other cities burning, Nixon's national guard put down the Kent state uprising, Attica, the devolution of hippie idealism in to destructive nihilism like the weather underground and simbianese liberation army. He probably realized that ideologically pure idealism can only take one of two forms: ineffective pacifism, or becoming the fucking fascism it's fighting. One must abide in your ideals without any expectations outside of your own peace of mind.
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Mark it 10 Dude.
I missed in my earlier limberments, and you make an interesting, fucking interesting point. of course its could be a false dichotomy, but no, I think at some point you do have to draw that line.
or go insane, or become an artist... and what have you...
I sold out to the man aka the fucks in the league office.
I have pissed on no rugs, and I have peace with that.
Maybe that explains those missing 18 minutes from the Watergate tapes. Nixon was conceiving the Dude with Rose Mary Woods, his secretary.
By the way, I hear it's an ungodly number of pages so I haven't read it. But there is a historian, Rick Perlstein, who has a book called Nixonland where he describes how Nixon revived his political career in the late 60's by building a political strategy around hippie bashing, law and order, respecting the values of decent working folks who kept their hair trimmed ("the silent majority"). Of course, it was all BS and Nixon was the biggest crook and power junkie elitist of them all, but alot of people really bought into it and it's worked pretty well for Republicans for a long time.
Quote from: triviadude on January 26, 2010, 01:21:50 AM
Maybe that explains those missing 18 minutes from the Watergate tapes. Nixon was conceiving the Dude with Rose Mary Woods, his secretary.
By the way, I hear it's an ungodly number of pages so I haven't read it. But there is a historian, Rick Perlstein, who has a book called Nixonland where he describes how Nixon revived his political career in the late 60's by building a political strategy around hippie bashing, law and order, respecting the values of decent working folks who kept their hair trimmed ("the silent majority"). Of course, it was all BS and Nixon was the biggest crook and power junkie elitist of them all, but alot of people really bought into it and it's worked pretty well for Republicans for a long time.
Interesting comment, dude. Fucking politicians, man, all of them, they beliefs in nosing! Fucking nihilists!
Tricky Dick was just a product of the parlance of his times.
Quote from: TheDudeInMe on August 25, 2009, 01:18:03 PM
This thread brings up the question: How Dude-like were the Dude's parents?
That's fucking interesting, man. That's fucking interesting. Statistically they probably weren't, looking at dudes of the 60's or 70's, they seem to all have been rebelling against their parents but maybe there is something to the whole "The dude's parents were laid back, too." There are a lot of strands in 'ol Duder's head on this one, man.