Well dudes ......we just don't know right now do we?
What can we say and what can't we say on these here pages....?
Time was when we could all gather here and have a laugh and a joke and an oat soda or two....sometimes things got serious and intellectual stuff would be said....then the resident intellects would gather round and talk Kafka and Sartre and other introheads....
Us lesser mortals would ignore that and carry on being dudes because we were too busy slacking to have that much thinking going on in our heads.
But nobody thought to ban the posts...nah...cos most of us were smart (or too dumb) enough to walk on by...ignore it and let the others ramble.
I think it's all gone a bit Pete Tong don't you Dudely Lamma?
Peace.
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 09, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Well dudes ......we just don't know right now do we?
What can we say and what can't we say on these here pages....?
Time was when we could all gather here and have a laugh and a joke and an oat soda or two....sometimes things got serious and intellectual stuff would be said....then the resident intellects would gather round and talk Kafka and Sartre and other introheads....
Us lesser mortals would ignore that and carry on being dudes because we were too busy slacking to have that much thinking going on in our heads.
But nobody thought to ban the posts...nah...cos most of us were smart (or too dumb) enough to walk on by...ignore it and let the others ramble.
I think it's all gone a bit Pete Tong don't you Dudely Lamma?
Peace.
I love a good conspiracy theory! 8)
In a strange kind of way, I was enjoying the Hof's delusional ramblings; made me exercise the old brain a bit there. Closing threads and other real reactionary shit tarnishes the reputation of our quiet beach community.
I'm relatively new here, so don't want to make waves, in the parlance of our times, but I sure hope this kind of thing is a rare occurrence round here.
As I see it (aka, here's my bullshit) we're still a bit shaken from another experience. So far the Hof has just made connections that no one else sees. He's either too gung ho or he's skipped a few psych appointments.
Let him wear his tin foil hat and speak. At least for now. He seems mostly harmless.
Ok Duder. Just opened your message. I will tone it down. :)
Quote from: Nolan Hofstadter on April 11, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
Ok Duder. Just opened your message. I will tone it down. :)
Much obliged.
One thing I like about this forum is the mods here aren't dicks. Most forums are ruled over by power-hungry neckbeards who love to pound anyone who steps out of line with the almighty banhammer, like they're playing Wac-A-Mole. Now I'm beginning to think we have the opposite problem - there's too much consensus and tolerance of extreme and disruptive behavior. Sometimes the mods need to let out their inner Walter when toes begin to creep over lines.
It's 2014 and this isn't the first Internet rodeo for any of us. Either a member is contributing in some meaningful or (at the very least) harmless way or else they're trolling. If someone is just dumping deranged copypasta on the board and isn't contributing in any other way, then they're trolling. Trolls should get the banhammer.
That's my two cents, take it or leave it.
Quote from: Yeti on April 14, 2014, 05:29:57 AM
One thing I like about this forum is the mods here aren't dicks. Most forums are ruled over by power-hungry neckbeards who love to pound anyone who steps out of line with the almighty banhammer, like they're playing Wac-A-Mole. Now I'm beginning to think we have the opposite problem - there's too much consensus and tolerance of extreme and disruptive behavior. Sometimes the mods need to let out their inner Walter when toes begin to creep over lines.
It's 2014 and this isn't the first Internet rodeo for any of us. Either a member is contributing in some meaningful or (at the very least) harmless way or else they're trolling. If someone is just dumping deranged copypasta on the board and isn't contributing in any other way, then they're trolling. Trolls should get the banhammer.
That's my two cents, take it or leave it.
We gave him a chance (e-mails were sent, requests were made for reasonableness) but he seemed unable to understand (further posts of the same nature appeared, cross referencing all his previous posts) so he was removed this weekend.
He was shown the door and tossed out of our beach community (think I saw a coffee mug dent on his forehead). I had suggested to him, before he was marched out, that he seek asylum at LebowskiFest. (just kiddin'') ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
And, if anyone is wondering; he ignored every attempt to communicate with him.
Even though I hate to see people banned, I agree, enough was enough.
Quote from: meekon5 on April 14, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
We gave him a chance (e-mails were sent, requests were made for reasonableness) but he seemed unable to understand (further posts of the same nature appeared, cross referencing all his previous posts) so he was removed this weekend.
That seems reasonable; firm but fair, in the parlance of our times.
Sorry if I, as a relative forum newbie, encouraged the guy in any way by responding to his posts. I feel kind of a bit responsible, parts anyway.
It's like I said in one post, dude was insane but he wasn't completely wrong. Started off with some better, less forced, parallels and points. But that devolved into manic ramblings pretty quickly.
C'est la vie.
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 14, 2014, 11:03:49 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 14, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
We gave him a chance (e-mails were sent, requests were made for reasonableness) but he seemed unable to understand (further posts of the same nature appeared, cross referencing all his previous posts) so he was removed this weekend.
That seems reasonable; firm but fair, in the parlance of our times.
Sorry if I, as a relative forum newbie, encouraged the guy in any way by responding to his posts. I feel kind of a bit responsible, parts anyway.
As I said before one of the big problems is we are trying to be reasonable and Dudeist in our treatment of people.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just don't wave it in our faces.
Quote from: meekon5 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:51 PM
As I said before one of the big problems is we are trying to be reasonable and Dudeist in our treatment of people.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just don't wave it in our faces.
Exactly! There are people here who fall on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me, but they're great Dudes and legitimate contributors. I'd never think in a million years of demanding they be censored in any way, although I do wish there was a way to just set the whole political subforum on ignore. But when someone delves into behavior that's 100% antisocial and disruptive, we shouldn't feel bad about giving them the boot.
I don't believe the coens have that amount of depth to their stories but if someone else wants to read into it and share their thoughts that's fine. I don't like the board filling up with people responding dogmatically. If what someone is saying is daft, have your own laugh in private but don't engage. It's the tit for tat responses filling up the recent posts section that are annoying imdo.
Quote from: milnie on April 14, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
imdo
Hmmmmm. "In my
dudeist opinion?"
If so, I like it. If not, I'm stealing it.
As far as I can tell (could be wrong), the only solid references to Christianity in TBL is when Walter prays as he and the Dude scatter Donny's ashes; "Lord you took em...," and maybe the use of name "The Jesus." Other than that, I don't see any obvious, or even hidden, illusions to Christ or Christianity. Using Nolan Hofstadter's "logic" or his misguided approach, you could pull Christian analogies out of damn near any works of literature, or something like a damn sitcom such as The Big Bang Theory, or an advertisement on the back of a fucking cereal box for that matter.
His posts, IMHO, were psyched out bush league stuff, laughable, man, from a person who just wondered into a movie with no frame of reference.
LMAO; I can't tell you how many times I felt like answering his posts with "SHUT THE FUCK UP, Nolan, V.I. Lenin...!!!"
I don't think anyone here harbors any hate or malice toward Nolan Hofstadter, I don't; it's just that he was your basic town drunk in a small bar who's loud mouth and alcohol breath was a bit too much to abide. He started to be a fart in a full elevator.
I was likely more tolerant than most of his ramblings because I see the movie as symbolic (allegoric in some instances) on multiple levels. That includes several religious ones. It's not an untenable position. See, for example, these dudes:
http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1914 (http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1914)
http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=647 (http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=647)
Those threads are chock full of dispassionate, well-reasoned, and well-supported analyses. You can take it, leave it, or ignore it but it's certainly not trash or trolling.
Where Nolan got his tuckus in trouble, on the other hand, was spouting nonsense and then fabricating more nonsense to support it. That schtick got old real fast.
Quote from: jgiffin on April 14, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
I was likely more tolerant than most of his ramblings because I see the movie as symbolic (allegoric in some instances) on multiple levels. That includes several religious ones. It's not an untenable position. See, for example, these dudes:
http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1914 (http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1914)
http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=647 (http://filmtank.org/forum/showthread.php?t=647)
Those threads are chock full of dispassionate, well-reasoned, and well-supported analyses. You can take it, leave it, or ignore it but it's certainly not trash or trolling.
Where Nolan got his tuckus in trouble, on the other hand, was spouting nonsense and then fabricating more nonsense to support it. That schtick got old real fast.
I'll bet those commentators could also, if they wanted to, and tried hard enough, find Buddhism, Islam, New Age, Hinduism, Paganism, Mormans (The Jesus as the Door like a fucking Mormon), Atheism, Judaism, and the religion of Sunday Afternoon Golfing too ("obviously you're not a golfer") in The Big Lebowski. Furthermore, one could point out aspects of Marxist Socialism, Free Enterprise, and the free sex movement, and highlighting the wonders of the porn world, and nude painting, or the culture of corporate greed. The movie, regarding any such analogies, is far too ambiguous in my opinion to support any such particular analogy. And, I don't think the Coens would waste their time trying to build any such hidden meaning in a comedy with perhaps the exception of a poke or two at Antisemitism (both the brothers being at least cultural Jews, if not religious Jews).
That's just like my hidden opinion, man. 8)
Did I miss something?
Quote from: Shagbeard on April 15, 2014, 12:45:49 AM
Did I miss something?
Fuckit... Dont wanna know, cant be worried about shit, life goes on.
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Quote from: Shagbeard on April 15, 2014, 12:45:49 AM
Did I miss something?
Fuckit... Dont wanna know, cant be worried about shit, life goes on.
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9894/86697610.jpg)
Quote from: jgiffin on April 14, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: milnie on April 14, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
imdo
Hmmmmm. "In my dudeist opinion?"
If so, I like it. If not, I'm stealing it.
How about IMHDO (In My Humble Dudeist Opinion).
It just got to the point where he was quoting times of scenes on the DVD and then linking them to the gospel according to john.
The Coens have nothing to do with the physical manufacture of the disk for a start.
Then there's the difference in DVD to Blu-Ray, add the running time of extras and there is no way you can make the connection.
But I have to admit I'm still talking about the numpty now.
;D
What ever NH was smoking, I want to try some of it! ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
I will admit that there are some movies that are actually that complicated.
I just don't think the Coens go in for that sort of level of subterfuge.
Quote from: meekon5 on April 15, 2014, 07:08:13 AM
I just don't think the Coens go in for that sort of level of subterfuge.
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 15, 2014, 07:08:13 AM
I just don't think the Coens go in for that sort of level of subterfuge.
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
Frequently and but their denial is to a conspiracy nut only proof of the cover up.
Quote from: meekon5 on April 15, 2014, 07:35:46 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 15, 2014, 07:08:13 AM
I just don't think the Coens go in for that sort of level of subterfuge.
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
Frequently and but their denial is to a conspiracy nut only proof of the cover up.
Okay, thanks.
It's just that I've been around the blues scene for a long time and several questions which could have been answered by first-hand witnesses can now no longer be answered. This scenario allows for wild, unfounded, speculation to replace verifiable factual information; usually because it's more interesting, or is in accordance with the official, music industry sponsored, marketing mythology.
It would be a pity to waste opportunities to obtain verified first-hand accounts of the creative processes involved in
The Big Lebowski. I guess we'll just have to ask again, it looks like they're about to crack.
Also the Coens are somewhat nonplussed about the subject of there being a religion even based on their film, let alone some hidden code in the text of the film.
He started to be a fart in a full elevator.
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That reminds me of the old Dennis norton "it'll be alright on the night" show with the clip of Peter sellers in the lift full of gangsters trying to time a fart right
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
Far out.
I suppose humans instinctively look for and find patterns and meanings in all kinds of things, hence the face of Jesus on a slice of toast, the name of Allah in the seeds of an aubergine etc.
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 16, 2014, 05:27:46 AM
Far out.
I suppose humans instinctively look for and find patterns and meanings in all kinds of things, hence the face of Jesus on a slice of toast, the name of Allah in the seeds of an aubergine etc.
Exactly. See this video...
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception (http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 16, 2014, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
I liked that theory but the Dude also interacts with Donny (exactly) one time: outside the bowling alley, after his car is stolen. Well, that and it's pert near impossible to cremate a figment of one's imagination.
I'm not saying it's a movie solely about, or even primarily about, christianity. (Hell, I'd be an atheist if I weren't already an anti-theist.) Instead, it's a product so rich in symbolism and abstraction that it is subject to deconstruction and analysis via multiple perspectives. That's why it holds up to time and multiple viewings so well.
Quote from: jgiffin on April 16, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 16, 2014, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
I liked that theory but the Dude also interacts with Donny (exactly) one time: outside the bowling alley, after his car is stolen. Well, that and it's pert near impossible to cremate a figment of one's imagination.
I'm not saying it's a movie solely about, or even primarily about, christianity. (Hell, I'd be an atheist if I weren't already an anti-theist.) Instead, it's a product so rich in symbolism and abstraction that it is subject to deconstruction and analysis via multiple perspectives. That's why it holds up to time and multiple viewings so well.
Plus the Dude and Walter scatter Donny's ashes. Unless both were having one hell of flashback at the water's edge, my guess is that Donny was real. 8)
Quote from: jgiffin on April 16, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 16, 2014, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
I liked that theory but the Dude also interacts with Donny (exactly) one time: outside the bowling alley, after his car is stolen. Well, that and it's pert near impossible to cremate a figment of one's imagination.
I'm not saying it's a movie solely about, or even primarily about, christianity. (Hell, I'd be an atheist if I weren't already an anti-theist.) Instead, it's a product so rich in symbolism and abstraction that it is subject to deconstruction and analysis via multiple perspectives. That's why it holds up to time and multiple viewings so well.
It might be true that there is a fair amount of symbolism, but the overt references to Christianity don't seem to be very kind.
Jesus is a pederass. I don't think that is accidental. It's clearly a reference to the catholic church.
Remember that the author is Jewish. That really does necessarily come into play when you start thinking that there is symbolism which is supposed to celebrate the Jesus. (the real one) I seriously doubt it. The overt symbolism is pretty unkind to himself. You don't just turn in your library card.
We don't want to wander into the room like a child.......
Quote from: BikerDude on April 17, 2014, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: jgiffin on April 16, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 16, 2014, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
I liked that theory but the Dude also interacts with Donny (exactly) one time: outside the bowling alley, after his car is stolen. Well, that and it's pert near impossible to cremate a figment of one's imagination.
I'm not saying it's a movie solely about, or even primarily about, christianity. (Hell, I'd be an atheist if I weren't already an anti-theist.) Instead, it's a product so rich in symbolism and abstraction that it is subject to deconstruction and analysis via multiple perspectives. That's why it holds up to time and multiple viewings so well.
Jesus is a pederass. I don't think that is accidental. It's clearly a reference to the catholic church.
Hmmm; good insight there, BD. (http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 09, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Well dudes ......we just don't know right now do we?
What can we say and what can't we say on these here pages....?
Time was when we could all gather here and have a laugh and a joke and an oat soda or two....sometimes things got serious and intellectual stuff would be said....then the resident intellects would gather round and talk Kafka and Sartre and other introheads....
Us lesser mortals would ignore that and carry on being dudes because we were too busy slacking to have that much thinking going on in our heads.
But nobody thought to ban the posts...nah...cos most of us were smart (or too dumb) enough to walk on by...ignore it and let the others ramble.
I think it's all gone a bit Pete Tong don't you Dudely Lamma?
Peace.
To answer your question Caesar dude.....no....we welcome free speech.
What we do not welcome is Spam and Spamming the board with products and links to products.
What you must understand is the church has turned they faith into a product...why else would they print "In God We Trust" on all our money....on force the insertion of "Under God" into our pledge of allegiance....it's spam advertizing for their product....the faith.
The word God itself is spam....it carries the stink of religion with it.
There's an office of the church in Rome who's sole purpose is to spread their faith by treating it as a Product.
Every time they can get the words God, Jesus, bible of any other "key work" where you can see it.....they reinforce the concept of a a god and their religion in the mind of the populus.
DigidtalBuddha posted a bible and Jesus post a few weeks ago that had my panties in a knot....if you followed the link he left it was a joke, but the subject of the post was pure christian spam.
I bet they were laughing their asses off at having One of our own spamming the board for them!!
If you think of religion as a product like Coke or Advil.....then every time they can get their product mentioned they rack up points. It's a form of subliminal advertising, and it really does not matter to them if positive or negative.....just as long as their product get mentioned....they win.
Once you know their tactics, thye are easy to spot. 8)
Every time you get into an argument with one of them you are helping to promote their product and spam the board.
The worse thing they fear is being ignored. 8)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 17, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on April 17, 2014, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: jgiffin on April 16, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 16, 2014, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 16, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 15, 2014, 07:23:20 AM
This might sound like crazy talk, but has anybody actually thought of asking them about all the alleged symbolism?
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"Everybody's got different things to say about 'The Big Lebowski,' " Bridges explained. "One guy came up to me with a theory. He said I've got to check this out with the brothers. It was very earnest and desperate. He said, 'Donny [Steve Buscemi] is a figment of Walter's [John Goodman] imagination. He doesn't really exist.' It gets you thinking a little bit, doesn't it? So I ran that by the brothers, and they chortled, and that was about it."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1654889/jeff-bridges-relayed-lebowski-theories-coen-brothers-on-true-grit-set.jhtml)
Not specifically about symbolism, but If The Dude himself can't get answers out of them...
Sounds like the story behind "A Beautiful Mind."
I liked that theory but the Dude also interacts with Donny (exactly) one time: outside the bowling alley, after his car is stolen. Well, that and it's pert near impossible to cremate a figment of one's imagination.
I'm not saying it's a movie solely about, or even primarily about, christianity. (Hell, I'd be an atheist if I weren't already an anti-theist.) Instead, it's a product so rich in symbolism and abstraction that it is subject to deconstruction and analysis via multiple perspectives. That's why it holds up to time and multiple viewings so well.
Jesus is a pederass. I don't think that is accidental. It's clearly a reference to the catholic church.
Hmmm; good insight there, BD. (http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Agreed. I'd say it's fairly hostile to Jewry, too. Walter is the only Jew and he exemplifies many of the attributes of the old testament god. He's angry, jealous, vengeful, and generally destructive. We see him break the only tenant he appears to take seriously, shomer shabbos, and I don't think you get that kind of a beer gut without indulging in some good ole' pork products.
Quote from: jgiffin on April 17, 2014, 03:59:27 PM
Agreed. I'd say it's fairly hostile to Jewry, too. Walter is the only Jew and he exemplifies many of the attributes of the old testament god. He's angry, jealous, vengeful, and generally destructive. We see him break the only tenant he appears to take seriously, shomer shabbos, and I don't think you get that kind of a beer gut without indulging in some good ole' pork products.
That's fucking interesting, man, but Walter's not even Jewish, he's Polish-Catholic. Although I'll grant you that he's still got his licence and library card.
Does this ambiguity surrounding Walter's Jewishness say anything to us? Given that it is one of the religions into which one has to be born (Hinduism being another, if I understand it correctly).
Well, dudes, we just don't know.
On the subject of "good ole' pork products," I could start a highly antagonistic new thread. The sheer scale of the daily slaughter is almost beyond imagination. But I won't. Life goes on, man. Unless, of course, you're destined to be a causative factor in someone's post-breakfast cardio-vascular episode. Karma, man.
Quote from: cckeiser on April 17, 2014, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 09, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Well dudes ......we just don't know right now do we?
What can we say and what can't we say on these here pages....?
Time was when we could all gather here and have a laugh and a joke and an oat soda or two....sometimes things got serious and intellectual stuff would be said....then the resident intellects would gather round and talk Kafka and Sartre and other introheads....
Us lesser mortals would ignore that and carry on being dudes because we were too busy slacking to have that much thinking going on in our heads.
But nobody thought to ban the posts...nah...cos most of us were smart (or too dumb) enough to walk on by...ignore it and let the others ramble.
I think it's all gone a bit Pete Tong don't you Dudely Lamma?
Peace.
To answer your question Caesar dude.....no....we welcome free speech.
What we do not welcome is Spam and Spamming the board with products and links to products.
What you must understand is the church has turned they faith into a product...why else would they print "In God We Trust" on all our money....on force the insertion of "Under God" into our pledge of allegiance....it's spam advertizing for their product....the faith.
The word God itself is spam....it carries the stink of religion with it.
There's an office of the church in Rome who's sole purpose is to spread their faith by treating it as a Product.
Every time they can get the words God, Jesus, bible of any other "key work" where you can see it.....they reinforce the concept of a a god and their religion in the mind of the populus.
DigidtalBuddha posted a bible and Jesus post a few weeks ago that had my panties in a knot....if you followed the link he left it was a joke, but the subject of the post was pure christian spam.
I bet they were laughing their asses off at having One of our own spamming the board for them!!
If you think of religion as a product like Coke or Advil.....then every time they can get their product mentioned they rack up points. It's a form of subliminal advertising, and it really does not matter to them if positive or negative.....just as long as their product get mentioned....they win.
Once you know their tactics, thye are easy to spot. 8)
Iz okay tho, I literally do the same to them. I spend more time lurking where there are no dudes than i do here, because I am trying to cull their herd. Free those who have but a little dust in their eyes so to speak.
And we are selling Dudeism too, the same way some sell love and others sell hate, everyone is selling something. None of us want to be alone in our beliefs, so we try and get other to be like us. Human nature. Even Dudeists are human.
We are all not just selling, we are all shopping too, consuming what makes us feel good, what reaffirms our inclinations and security. Humans are always searching for the next thing that will alleviate some of the pain of existence.
Quote from: Stumblin Stumbleweed on April 18, 2014, 04:58:46 AM
Quote from: jgiffin on April 17, 2014, 03:59:27 PM
Agreed. I'd say it's fairly hostile to Jewry, too. Walter is the only Jew and he exemplifies many of the attributes of the old testament god. He's angry, jealous, vengeful, and generally destructive. We see him break the only tenant he appears to take seriously, shomer shabbos, and I don't think you get that kind of a beer gut without indulging in some good ole' pork products.
That's fucking interesting, man, but Walter's not even Jewish, he's Polish-Catholic. Although I'll grant you that he's still got his licence and library card.
Does this ambiguity surrounding Walter's Jewishness say anything to us? Given that it is one of the religions into which one has to be born (Hinduism being another, if I understand it correctly).
Well, dudes, we just don't know.
On the subject of "good ole' pork products," I could start a highly antagonistic new thread. The sheer scale of the daily slaughter is almost beyond imagination. But I won't. Life goes on, man. Unless, of course, you're destined to be a causative factor in someone's post-breakfast cardio-vascular episode. Karma, man.
A person doesn't have to born into the Jewish religion. (Not sure about Hindus)
But a person's mother does need to be Jewish to be seen as "A Jew" that is an ethnic Jew.
A good number of Jews are not of the Jewish faith but identify as Jewish ethnically.
There is the faith and the ethnicity. 2 things.
Quote from: cckeiser on April 17, 2014, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 09, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Well dudes ......we just don't know right now do we?
What can we say and what can't we say on these here pages....?
Time was when we could all gather here and have a laugh and a joke and an oat soda or two....sometimes things got serious and intellectual stuff would be said....then the resident intellects would gather round and talk Kafka and Sartre and other introheads....
Us lesser mortals would ignore that and carry on being dudes because we were too busy slacking to have that much thinking going on in our heads.
But nobody thought to ban the posts...nah...cos most of us were smart (or too dumb) enough to walk on by...ignore it and let the others ramble.
I think it's all gone a bit Pete Tong don't you Dudely Lamma?
Peace.
DigidtalBuddha posted a bible and Jesus post a few weeks ago that had my panties in a knot....if you followed the link he left it was a joke, but the subject of the post was pure christian spam.
Cc dude, if you are referring to this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw)
It is an obvious spoof on sleazy Christian TV evangelists scamming dumb asses for money. And is in no way supportive of Christianity. It was recorded by Genesis in the 80's, which saw the rise of some of the most disgusting religious con artists in U.S. history. I doubt that anyone from the Christianity world was glad I posted it. I wouldn't call it "spam," but I would call it funny as hell, if not a commentary on religious cons...IMHO. How could a video by Genesis, in this context, be spam? No harm intended, dude.
That's just like my opinion, man. 8)
Quote from: BikerDude on April 18, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
A person doesn't have to born into the Jewish religion. (Not sure about Hindus)
But a person's mother does need to be Jewish to be seen as "A Jew" that is an ethnic Jew.
A good number of Jews are not of the Jewish faith but identify as Jewish ethnically.
There is the faith and the ethnicity. 2 things.
Thanks for this info, I stand corrected. Always good to learn something .