To all of the assembled Dudes: be it known that I hereby nominate Krsna and Arjuna, the protagonists of the Bhagavad-Gita, to be listed as Great Dudes in history.
In the Gita, Krsna explains to Arjuna that he (Arjuna, that is),needs not be afraid to do his duty as a ksatriya; bewildered by his mandate to fight, Arjuna hesitates to engage in the fratricidal war before him. Krsna, however, elucidated the implications of Arjuna's reluctance. He points out that, as a warrior, Arjuna's specific duty is indeed to fight on behalf of the righteous. And his hesitation, Krsna adds, though superficially noble, is actually based on illusion, a misidentification of the body with the self.
The opposing army is, after all, guilty of many atrocities and already doomed, even if many of them are Arjuna's relatives. Krsna has sealed their fate or, rather, they have sealed their own fate, and Krsna is encouraging Arjuna to act as his instrument in meting out the appropriate reaction. The Gita's seven hundred verses embody Krsna's elaborate arguments in this regard and Arjuna's ultimate acquiescence.
In closing, a verse from the Gita itself. It's from Chapter 11, verse 32. I call it "the Oppenheimer verse".
Krsna says:
" Time I am, destroyer of the worlds, and I have come to engage all people. With the exception of you [the Pandavas], all the soldiers here on both sides will be slain."
Vagina
Homonid: if you do not have anything intelligent or of some substance to contribute to a thread that I have started, or if you generally do not have anything nice to say to me, then please leave me alone. OK?
Vagina
As I posted in another thread...
Actually, Rev. Iconocclesiastes, Hominid isn't trolling, he does that in a lot of threads. It's kind of like his trademark and his "Hominid was here" thingie. So, not to worry; it's kind of a small tradition in our beach community. No harm intended, Rev. 8)
And, consider yourself fortunate, usually he leaves a...
VAGINA!
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Thanks for your backup DB - I didn't contribute over 1300 posts by being a troll. These new guys... Pffff.
Quote from: Hominid on January 24, 2014, 09:48:49 PM
Thanks for your backup DB - I didn't contribute over 1300 posts by being a troll. These new guys... Pffff.
We must be patient with our new brethren until the Pffff has passed. Anyway, yur welcome, Sir.
Some day I WILL be in your neck of the woods. And we will indeed grab a lane, grab a burger, have a few White Russians, and suck on a huge fatty. It's actually on my bucket list.
Quote from: Hominid on January 24, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
Some day I WILL be in your neck of the woods. And we will indeed grab a lane, grab a burger, have a few White Russians, and suck on a huge fatty. It's actually on my bucket list.
My neck of the woods, you mean? My bad; I did not realize about you "Vagina" trademark.
*Sigh*
Beaver
:-[
I disagree. I think the Bhagavad Gita is one of the most undude books in the world. In the Hindu canon, the Upanishads are far more Dude.
The whole point of the Bhagavad Gita is that one must do his duty, even if that duty is to kill one's whole family. It's helped keep the caste system in place. In fact many scholars believe that this is the very reason it was "created." (Just as the gnostic elements were purged from Christianity by a church hell-bent on monopolizing the great payphone to God).
Lots of Westerners (like Christopher Isherwood) have tried to shoehorn the Gita into some sort of a plan for abnegating the ego, but I just don't buy it.
Nothing about anything Icon posted above resonates with Dudeism in my opinion. Am I wrong?
The majority of Hindi texts are very much undude in my opinion as well.
As you wish, man. I take an allegorical approach to understanding the Gita, seeing the characters of Krsna and Arjuna as being representatives of an individuals' own lower and higher selves. In other words, I read it according to an impersonalist (or "Mayavadi") interpretation. But that's just me. Others have other opinions about the Gita, and I respect that.
Now Diogenes, on the other hand, he was most Dudely. You gotta give me that.
Quote from: Shagbeard on January 24, 2014, 11:19:40 PM
The majority of Hindi texts are very much undude in my opinion as well.
Why is this, Shagbeard? Just asking, no hostility or anything intended. I am only seeking your opinion.
I really must get round to actually getting my copy out and reading it some time.
Confucianism was used in basically the same way, emphasis was placed on your "role" in society, and how not considering the rest of societies needs before your own was a bad thing.
The early history of christianity is that of little sects destroying each other in an attempt to gain dominance, and again the Roman version only came to dominate the rest because it actually had the Roman army to hand. A lot of the post Byzantian conversions were on the basis that their god must be right because they won the battles. Rather than thinking this is one of the most professional armies int he world with a very high standard of training and discipline. If they had worshiped Bob the sock puppet we would all be living in Bobist (or post Bobist) nations in the west now.
And lets not even begin to consider the Marxist point of view.
Quote from: forumdude on January 24, 2014, 11:13:58 PM
Lots of Westerners (like Christopher Isherwood) have tried to shoehorn the Gita into some sort of a plan for abnegating the ego, but I just don't buy it.
Gandhi took this approach, too. Just sayin', man.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 24, 2014, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: Shagbeard on January 24, 2014, 11:19:40 PM
The majority of Hindi texts are very much undude in my opinion as well.
Why is this, Shagbeard? Just asking, no hostility or anything intended. I am only seeking your opinion.
It is my opinion, dude, I know nothing of peaceful Hinduism because never seen it to date. They make me sick just like mega church fated calves turning blind eye to what is happening in Syria and middle east in general. There's no difference between them to me.
Far out.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 24, 2014, 11:40:29 PM
Far out.
Far Out! Not one thing is about it, far out, no, blood from history past and now is running on streets. I need to duck out as this has broke my zen and really want to be total Walter like here. Sorry dudes I duck out for a bit.
In the parlance of Lebowski, far out doesn't mean "good." It means "i hear you". Cf. The Dude to Marty when he says "it's already the tenth."
Well, it can mean good as well. But when someone just says "far out" it should be taken to mean "ok" or "right" or "i hear you."
Same with some of the other slang affectations, like when Hominid says "vagina." He's sort of taking the piss out of the proceedings in a lighthearted (well, sometimes not so lighthearted) way.
I hear you on that, but with due respect it has never meant that in its use where I am from, CA.
I'm from CA as well. But this is Lebowski slang, not Cali. There is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to the Lebowski slang. We use it here because it's fun and frolicsome, not because it's essential. But it does confuse people from time to time. One effect it does have is that it can be a bit disarming, which is nice. If someone says "shut the fuck up donnie" to someone else it is incumbent on the other not to get angry. for a long time this was working well. lately, not so much. DigitalBuddha has suggested that I make a clear introduction to the temper of this forum so people won't be confused by the parlance and the attitude and the angles. Good idea methinks.
The movie lingo is not the issue here... We're not talking about someone who directed a movie... (Some play on words in fashion of the movie :) )
I will take it up with him elsewhere than this forum as I doubt seriously that he was keen on your definition. I will pop off for a while. peace dude
Quote from: Hominid on January 24, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
Some day I WILL be in your neck of the woods. And we will indeed grab a lane, grab a burger, have a few White Russians, and suck on a huge fatty. It's actually on my bucket list.
That was meant for you DB...
Quote from: Hominid on January 25, 2014, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Hominid on January 24, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
Some day I WILL be in your neck of the woods. And we will indeed grab a lane, grab a burger, have a few White Russians, and suck on a huge fatty. It's actually on my bucket list.
That was meant for you DB...
Oh yeah, cool. Let me know, H dude. We'll hit up an In N Out Burger, have some beers and maybe hit a lane and roll a few. And for sure smoke a stogie. Our troubles are over, dude.