Hi there. I am Rev. Iconocclesiastes. Some call me "the Swami". I was just ordained a few days ago and am new to Dudeism. Mind if I do a jay?
Good to see you... Welcome!
Thanks, man. It's good to be here.
I've got a question, and would like to ask it now. May I do so?
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 01, 2014, 12:07:29 PM
Thanks, man. It's good to be here.
I've got a question, and would like to ask it now. May I do so?
Welcome to our bowling league dude....it's your roll....ask away. 8)
Lately I've been thinking about the idea of brain transplantation. As in, having my brain transplanted into some other dude's body. That way (if the process of brain transplantation were to be perfected), I could achieve a type of immortality, as could others.
So then it occurred to me that if I were to have my brain transplanted into another body, a potential conundrum arises. The problem is this: if I ever wanted to masturbate or have sex with my wife, then I'd technically be using some other guy's junk, in order to pleasure myself and/or her (my wife, that is).
Which leads me to my question: if I were to have my brain transplanted onto another dude's body, and then eventually wanted to have sex in some form, would it be irrational of me to feel sorta guilty about using somebody else's body in order to do so? In other words, would I be abusing the body of the person who used to inhabit it for my own selfish pleasure, and/or for the pleasure of my wife?
In other words: it seems immoral to me, in a sense, the idea of having sex in a scenario in which my brain has been transplanted into some other guy's body. It'd be strange for me to do so, using somebody else's penis. But would it then be "my" penis?
And what about the brain of the person whose body I am now "wearing"? Cold they be "put into" my old body, and would it be weird for them to see my old penis?
What do y'all think? Would it be immoral/unethical of me and/or my wife to enjoy ourselves in such a scenario?
Would my guilt be rational or irrational for me to feel guilt over it? Or am I just thinking too much?
Well dude....we just don't know. But you are in a unique position to confirm or, uh, disconfirm that suspicion.
What is a man dude? Is he more than just a pair of testicles? Is he really just in need of a Johnson? Let us not forget that the brain is the biggest erogenous zone....so is zesty coitus really just about your Johnson, or is the real shit all in the mind?
Are you a mind in a body, or a body in your mind?
You'll have to take that up with the fucks at the league office dude. 8)
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
But you are right, cckeiser. I AM thinking about it too much, and that is is very undude of me.
To me, if we're at the point where we're trading brains & bodies then we'd be past the point of thinking our meat machines are anything special or sacred or what-have-you.
Quote from: Masked Dude on January 01, 2014, 09:30:30 PM
To me, if we're at the point where we're trading brains & bodies then we'd be past the point of thinking our meat machines are anything special or sacred or what-have-you.
That's fucking interesting man, that's fucking interesting...
Not really a "what if?" type person myself, not a lot of mileage in it, and seems a bit of a waste of energy.
Also by the time you're transplanting your brain into another body you'd just 3d print a new body to be transplanted into.
Quote from: meekon5 on January 02, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
...you'd just 3d print a new body to be transplanted into.
I'm digging that thinking like a new garden, dude.
Drat, my 3D printer just had the table heater die. WHY during a holiday season when I have a customer job to do and now I can't print a new body either!
Note to designers, do NOT put plastic plugs next to heating elements!
Already starting in that direction dudes! 8)
http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html (http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html)
Quote from: cckeiser on January 02, 2014, 11:47:21 PM
Already starting in that direction dudes! 8)
http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html (http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html)
Given the chance I would be a "Futurologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_futurologists)" like Michio Kaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku). Just spend my time speculating based on research.
Transhumanism and organ replication are one of my favourite subjects.
They're not quite there yet but try this (from TED): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SfRgg9botI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SfRgg9botI)
or BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12520951 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12520951)
Seems they are hoping for livers this year: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244884/The_first_3D_printed_organ_a_liver_is_expected_in_2014. (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244884/The_first_3D_printed_organ_a_liver_is_expected_in_2014.)
The other alternative is to grow the body with DNA altered plants.
But if you are I were to engage in coitus, or else masturbate (after all, both of which are a natural, zesty enterprise) with some other dude's johnson, or in a 3D replica of some other dude's body, or whatever), would I be irrational in feeling a bit guilty about it? And if I were to pleasure myself and/or my wife with what is technically another dude's johnson, then would that make me gay?
You could argue that since only you are feeling these zesty feelings, it's your experience and not his. Now if you hooked up some sensors and another dude was experiencing it with you, that's a different thing.
But I don't it would necessarily make you gay, since it's yours now. Furthermore, that's sort of like saying if I gave you my old shoes I'm getting the exercise when you jog. Just, like, my opinion. :)
Besides, if you suddenly had gay feelings or something like that, would it be that bad?
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 03, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
But if you are I were to engage in coitus, or else masturbate (after all, both of which are a natural, zesty enterprise) with some other dude's johnson, or in a 3D replica of some other dude's body, or whatever), would I be irrational in feeling a bit guilty about it? And if I were to pleasure myself and/or my wife with what is technically another dude's johnson, then would that make me gay?
Personally I have to ask why that's an important question to you.
If you could suck your own cock, would you?
Then would that make you gay as you are sucking a blokes cock, or is that still masturbation?
Also if your playing with your own cock now does that make you gay because you are jerking a bloke off?
To be honest I (personally) don't think it matters. If there is only you in whatever body, is it not your mind and personality that your wife is married to?
Don't you ever role play with her?
Don't you just occasionally pretend that she's some film star just for the night?
Do you feel guilty about that?
Should you feel guilty about that?
Quote from: cckeiser on January 02, 2014, 11:47:21 PM
Already starting in that direction dudes! 8)
http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html (http://www.livescience.com/39885-3d-printing-to-deliver-organs.html)
So in the near future a dude won't have to worry about getting his johnson cut off. If it does get cut off, all a dude need do is print another one! Fuckin' eh!
Depending on your leaning, you could also play with a copy (or the original) of your body from your new body. At least you'd know where everything is. :)
And no saying you have to transplant into the same gender. Try out all of them. :)
Quote from: jdurand on January 03, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
Depending on your leaning, you could also play with a copy (or the original) of your body from your new body. At least you'd know where everything is. :)
And no saying you have to transplant into the same gender. Try out all of them. :)
Is there more than two? ;D
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 04, 2014, 12:52:36 AM
Quote from: jdurand on January 03, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
Depending on your leaning, you could also play with a copy (or the original) of your body from your new body. At least you'd know where everything is. :)
And no saying you have to transplant into the same gender. Try out all of them. :)
Is there more than two? ;D
That is funny, I like that question...
Oddly though I seen this group claiming there are 3 genders in the human kind. No scam, I am not making this up. Seems always some new doctrine comes out of religion. :o
Quote from: Rev. Shagbeard on January 04, 2014, 01:13:53 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on January 04, 2014, 12:52:36 AM
Quote from: jdurand on January 03, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
Depending on your leaning, you could also play with a copy (or the original) of your body from your new body. At least you'd know where everything is. :)
And no saying you have to transplant into the same gender. Try out all of them. :)
Is there more than two? ;D
That is funny, I like that question...
Oddly though I seen this group claiming there are 3 genders in the human kind. No scam, I am not making this up. Seems always some new doctrine comes out of religion. :o
What he hell is the third one?! ;D
This group says that gays are a third gender. Not making this up, not trying to scam you. It is a lifestyle choice, not third gender and what have you.
Well, personally I know males, females, male-female transgenders (both pre and post op), met female to male, also cross dressers (men since cross dressing women are called normal women), and all of the above in various shades of the Kinsey scale.
I was once working at a cross dressing show and had to change from work clothes to nice clothes to be out front during the show. I was changing into my suit in the dressing room while all the other guys there were changing into dresses when someone yelled out "THERE'S A MAN IN THE DRESSING ROOM!" Got a good laugh all around.
BTW, seeing some of those people naked, you'd never know they had been guys like an Air Force Captain.
BTW2, nothing worse than all these former soldiers on hormones having an emotional attack, good time to duck.
Quote from: jdurand on January 03, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
...And no saying you have to transplant into the same gender. Try out all of them. :)
To take the transhuman point of view, you don't even have to transplant into the same species.
Quote from: Rev. Shagbeard on January 04, 2014, 02:22:34 AM
This group says that gays are a third gender. Not making this up, not trying to scam you. It is a lifestyle choice, not third gender and what have you.
Oh, I'm not really worried about it; it's not that important a question to me. It's just fun to think about, that's all. And about the gay question: I love my gay brothers and sisters the same as my non-gay brothers and sisters.
And now a reference from a "Hindu" holy text:
"As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones."
Bhagavad-gita, 2:22
Technically, there are five sexes (according to Fausto-Sterling). "Gender" (a social, rather than a biological construct like "sex") is another matter. Dig this:
http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html (http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html)
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 04, 2014, 09:32:20 AM
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Technically, there are five sexes (according to Fausto-Sterling). "Gender" (a social, rather than a biological construct like "sex") is another matter. Dig this:
http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html (http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html)
Thanks for that. A really interesting article.
Quote from: meekon5 on January 04, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 04, 2014, 09:32:20 AM
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Technically, there are five sexes (according to Fausto-Sterling). "Gender" (a social, rather than a biological construct like "sex") is another matter. Dig this:
http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html (http://capone.mtsu.edu/phollowa/5sexes.html)
Thanks for that. A really interesting article.
You're welcome. I've got more articles like this in my library, if you'd care to read them.
Quote from: Rev. Iconocclesiastes on January 04, 2014, 10:38:24 AM
You're welcome. I've got more articles like this in my library, if you'd care to read them.
I actually studied gender politics as part of my degree. Mostly covered Postmodernism, and particularly Julia Kristeva's Language and Gender Politics (also Barte, Lacan, and Sartre), so anything you've got would be of interest please.
Quote from: meekon5 on January 04, 2014, 11:30:27 AM
I actually studied gender politics as part of my degree. Mostly covered Postmodernism, and particularly Julia Kristeva's Language and Gender Politics (also Barte, Lacan, and Sartre), so anything you've got would be of interest please.
Me too. My degree is in psych and sociology (double major). Have you ever heard of one Jennifer Mller?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Miller)