Was thinking, we don't see many, if any, female forms being suggested for "Great Dudes in History."
So I decided to nominate Marlyn Monroe for Great Dude in History.
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(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02291/monroe_2291405b.jpg)
Well, that's your way to see it.
I would not have choosen her, she did not really abide, and was not taking things easily. Unfortunatly, most of the history was writen by undudistic men, so only men could be remembered.
But your topic is interesting. My choice would be to choose a woman who was in the shadow of her spouse. Supporting him, take things slowly. You know what I mean?
Well of course, none would be as hot as Norma, but, you know...
Well...you know... ah nevermind, let's get a drink.
Quote from: Havazhyol on August 06, 2013, 04:09:23 AM
Well, that's your way to see it.
I would not have choosen her, she did not really abide, and was not taking things easily. Unfortunatly, most of the history was writen by undudistic men, so only men could be remembered.
But your topic is interesting. My choice would be to choose a woman who was in the shadow of her spouse. Supporting him, take things slowly. You know what I mean?
Well of course, none would be as hot as Norma, but, you know...
Well...you know... ah nevermind, let's get a drink.
8) Well, that's just like my opinion, man. But hell yeah, another oat soda, Gary.
I respect your opinion man, but tend to agree with havazhyol in that Marilyn was pretty fucked up man, and hardly takin 'er easy.
Myself, I think Donna Reed might be a better candidate for a great Dude(tte) in history. Beautiful, sweet, good homemaker... what more could a Dude ask for? I know I know, that's just like my opinion man...
As for my favorite female celebrity, it would be Audrey Hepburn. So beautiful and before she died, gave her time helping kids.
8) Well now, let us consider the following dude like characteristics of Marlyn Monroe...........
- Into zesty coitus - very dude-like
- Liked to drink a lot - very dude-like
- Lots of pictures of her kicking back - very dude-like
- Didn't seem to give much of a fuck about the square community except for zesty coitus with a few (see first characteristic) - very dude-like
- Smoked a J here and there - very dude-like
- Was on the album cover of Sgt. Pepper Lonely Heart - very dude-like
- Born in the laziest county in America, Los Angeles county - very dude-like
- Hung out with people the square community didn't go for such as Truman Capote - very dude-like
- Was always up for a party - very dude-like
- Digged taking extended baths - very dude-like
(http://www.thisismarilyn.com/artwork/platinum62-2011092085524-MARILYN_A_MANO_001-original.jpg)
;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif) OK, mang dudes; that's just like more of my opinion, man.
Can't fault that logic even though it may be a tad skewed! :)
Peace.
I didn't thought of it that way.
But the way she ended her life... Pretty much undudistic. I mean, she totally blown herself off, man. Very materialistic, not appreciating the moment.
And... huh... well, let's call it a draw, and take a drink, buddy.
Quote from: Havazhyol on August 07, 2013, 03:48:48 AM
I didn't thought of it that way.
But the way she ended her life... Pretty much undudistic. I mean, she totally blown herself off, man. Very materialistic, not appreciating the moment.
And... huh... well, let's call it a draw, and take a drink, buddy.
Another Caucasian, Gary! 8)
Quote from: Judd Dude on August 06, 2013, 09:15:28 AM
... I think Donna Reed might be a better candidate for a great Dude(tte) in history...
Small point of order "Dudette" or any feministation of the word Dude is not the accepted nomenclature.
We have in the past been (wrongfully) accused of sexism.
It was therefore agreed that "Dude" as a title works like doctor, or actor, no sex implied, and anyone is a Dude regardless of genitalia.
Quote from: meekon5 on August 07, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: Judd Dude on August 06, 2013, 09:15:28 AM
... I think Donna Reed might be a better candidate for a great Dude(tte) in history...
Small point of order "Dudette" or any feministation of the word Dude is not the accepted nomenclature.
We have in the past been (wrongfully) accused of sexism.
It was therefore agreed that "Dude" as a title works like doctor, or actor, no sex implied, and anyone is a Dude regardless of genitalia.
Would you just take it easy, man?!
This had not, occurred to me Dude.
Meekon5, I just read your signature. I laughed so hard on it !
I love it, you opened my eyes over the fact that Pr Hawking is a great dude.
Much abide to you, mate.
Perhaps I've not understood but I don't think it would be dudely to be in the background supporting someone else, I would call that homemaker and that's 1950's mentality.
How about someone like mama cass?
Quote from: Havazhyol on August 07, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
Meekon5, I just read your signature. I laughed so hard on it !
I love it, you opened my eyes over the fact that Pr Hawking is a great dude.
Much abide to you, mate.
He is also rumoured to say to people who approach him on the street "I get confused for him (Steven Hawking) all the time".
Quote from: meekon5 on August 08, 2013, 07:00:42 AM
Quote from: Havazhyol on August 07, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
Meekon5, I just read your signature. I laughed so hard on it !
I love it, you opened my eyes over the fact that Pr Hawking is a great dude.
Much abide to you, mate.
He is also rumoured to say to people who approach him on the street "I get confused for him (Steven Hawking) all the time".
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Quote from: milnie on August 07, 2013, 03:56:54 PM
Perhaps I've not understood but I don't think it would be dudely to be in the background supporting someone else, I would call that homemaker and that's 1950's mentality.
How about someone like mama cass?
See I was a little bothered by the way this discussion was going as well.
It's a pity we have lost so many of our female participants here, because phrases like "good Homemaker" don't ring true for any Dudeist for me (ref the bacterial culture in my sink at the moment).
I don't see how the term "Good Homemaker" is bad... It implies exactly that- someone who is good at making a home for his/her family, and I think that's very dudely. It doesn't mean she's supporting anyone or left in the background, she's just being a good wife and mother. Nothing bad about that. Unfortunately nowadays there are too few good homemakers because everyone's too busy working to pay for their Lexus, big house etc. instead of raising their children.
I can hear the sirens of the PC brigade coming now dude.
Perhaps spending your time like that can be dudely but to make that statement gender specific is a bit uncool. That said, if I was going to suggest someone in that way I would go with Peggy from married with children: does bugger all, always up for coitus. The antithesis of homemaker seems more dudely
Quote from: milnie on August 09, 2013, 05:10:42 PMI would go with Peggy from married with children: does bugger all, always up for coitus
I copy that, and a thousand time !
Uses zesty coitus as weapon on Al. And one other thing that let the actress in my mind is Futurama, whe coices Leela Turanga.
Which makes me think about Bender, who is, despite tge robbery and violence, the first Robodude, I think.
Quote from: milnie on August 09, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
I can hear the sirens of the PC brigade coming now dude.
Perhaps spending your time like that can be dudely but to make that statement gender specific is a bit uncool. That said, if I was going to suggest someone in that way I would go with Peggy from married with children: does bugger all, always up for coitus. The antithesis of homemaker seems more dudely
Just take it easy man...
I never implied only women were homemakers, you misunderstood me is all. Yeah in the 50's that was how it was (traditionally) but things have changed a lot since. I too agree no need for gender specifics either, lots on males are good homemakers too nowadays, and that's cool, that's cool.
Far out on the Peg Bundy idea, she is pretty cool man! I never understood why Al wasn't engaging in coitus with her constantly...
No worries dude, nothing's fucked here. Including Peggy!
As I said at the start I may have misunderstood your initial idea. It's just I'm filling the role of homemaker just now and I don't feel very dudely. It's quite stressful :(
Quote from: milnie on August 10, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
No worries dude, nothing's fucked here. Including Peggy!
As I said at the start I may have misunderstood your initial idea. It's just I'm filling the role of homemaker just now and I don't feel very dudely. It's quite stressful :(
No problemo man... as far as your homemaker role, just try to roll with the strikes and gutters. It's a good thing you're doing! And most importantly, remember to tak'er easy! :)
I'm smokin a fatty right now :)
Quote from: milnie on August 11, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
I'm smokin a fatty right now :)
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Quote from: milnie on August 11, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
I'm smokin a fatty right now :)
I'm so, like, jealous now, man!
Quote from: Judd Dude on August 10, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
Just take it easy man...
I never implied only women were homemakers, you misunderstood me is all. Yeah in the 50's that was how it was (traditionally) but things have changed a lot since. I too agree no need for gender specifics either, lots on males are good homemakers too nowadays, and that's cool, that's cool.
Judd Dude it wasn't particularly aimed at you. It's just in the past certain reactionary christian web sites have been known to jump on things like we all call each other Dude therefore we must be sexist, when the opposite is true.
And it's one of the eternal problems of this medium of communication, difficult to see someone elses eyes when your all talking by text.
I must admit I did look at your initial post and think to myself "And walk twenty paces behind her man and ensure her shadow doesn't soil his person".
But as you say you weren't actually being gender specific with the home maker comment.
Much like praying and churches, if home making is our thing why not find your inner Dude in it.
I myself have to admit that I am on the edge of buying some new cutlery so that I have some more clean knives and forks, so you can guess where I stand on this issue.
Far out man it's totally cool. I didn't take any of that personally and my "just take it easy man" comment was tongue in cheek (of course). It's easy for things to be misinterpreted in text and possibly spin outta hand so I understand. And, I definitely think it's way undude to be walking behind someone else in the shadows- can you believe there are cultures that still promote this?! It's a crazy world we're livin in, if only everyone could learn to abide... be a lot better place... look at me, I'm ramblin again...
As for your new cutlery, spend some clams if you can and you'll be a lot happier when you use em. I do 99% of the cookin in this a'here bungalow and nothin's worse than a set o cheap knives!
Quote from: Judd Dude on August 12, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
...As for your new cutlery, spend some clams if you can and you'll be a lot happier when you use em. I do 99% of the cookin in this a'here bungalow and nothin's worse than a set o cheap knives!
Could not agree more, nothing worse than digging into a nice steak only to have your blade come away separate from your handle.
Is that some kind of sexual metaphor? ;)
Quote from: milnie on August 12, 2013, 01:46:00 PM
Is that some kind of sexual metaphor? ;)
You mean, Johnson?
The blade is the sign of the feminine ... Where did I read that? Oh god, am I quoting dan brown!?!
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on August 06, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
8) Well now, let us consider the following dude like characteristics of Marlyn Monroe........
- Digged taking extended baths - very dude-like
(http://www.thisismarilyn.com/artwork/platinum62-2011092085524-MARILYN_A_MANO_001-original.jpg)
;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif) OK, mang dudes; that's just like more of my opinion, man.
Know I'm late to the party, but I have to agree with the Digi Dude that only dude-like qualities should be considered, not whether an individual has a penis or a vagina and an amazing pair of knockers. I could be wrong, but prefer to think I'm not.
Quote from: Gruene Hall Dude on August 12, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on August 06, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
8) Well now, let us consider the following dude like characteristics of Marlyn Monroe........
- Digged taking extended baths - very dude-like
(http://www.thisismarilyn.com/artwork/platinum62-2011092085524-MARILYN_A_MANO_001-original.jpg)
;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif) OK, mang dudes; that's just like more of my opinion, man.
Know I'm late to the party, but I have to agree with the Digi Dude that only dude-like qualities should be considered, not whether an individual has a penis or a vagina and an amazing pair of knockers. I could be wrong, but prefer to think I'm not.
She definitely had zesty knockers, fuckin' eh! ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
(http://static.entertainmentwise.com/photos/Image/Monroe500.jpg)
As a noob Dude (and a female one too) I would nominate Guanyin and Empress Shen Wuhu - might have misspelled both of those names. It's been a long time since I dabbled with Taoism and Buddhism, so details are sketchy...
Empress Shen Wuhu became a Buddhist nun after a difficult life, if I recall correctly she was spurned by her husband yet she raised her husband's son when his concubine died while giving birth, that's pretty abiding IMO 8)
There are many stories about Guanyin (spellings and the name may vary wildly) and how she wanted to end suffering, to make things more confusing some legends refer to her as a man, but I think she was a female dude with a good heart.
One story I can think of went something like this - her father wanted her to marry a man she did not love, probably a nihilist, she made a deal with her father that if the marriage could end 3 types of suffering (I think it was the suffering of the old, sick and dying or something like that) she would marry, if the suffering could not be fixed she wanted to become a nun. Her father became so pissed off he sent her off to work hard labor, she was so good that the animals took pity on her and helped her with her work. Her POd dad tried to burn down the temple then she put out the fire with her hands, didn't even use a hot pad! That frightened her dad so he ordered her execution. The executioner (most likely a fascist) tried to kill her with an ax but it broke into many pieces, so he tried a sword, that broke too. He shot at her with arrows and missed. He then used his hands, as he attempted to strangle her she realized her father would probably kill him if he failed so she forgave the man, took all his bad karma for killing her and died leaving him guilt free (what a dude!) she went to hell where she saw suffering then she released all the good karma she had, she turned hell into paradise with all the good karma she had earned through all her lives. Whoever was in charge of hell sent her back to earth where she returned to the Fragrant (maybe it was the Flower Mountain?) Mountain.
When her father became sick somebody told him his illness could be cured by making a remedy from the arms and eyes (eww that's pretty gross!) from somebody with no hostilities and that somebody lived on the mountain. She gave up her arms and eyes so that he could live. He went to the mountain to thank the person who had given up so much for him to live and found it was the daughter he had ordered to be killed, he begged to be forgiven. She became a thousand armed goddess. Your details may vary depending on make and model... Sorry that's all I remember, only a true dude would give up their arms and eyes for some asshole who wanted you dead. I'm pretty easy going, might give one eye up if it was medically necessary to save a life but not both and not my arms, at least not willingly! Thankfully medical science has come a long way since then!
When Empress Shen Wuhu (BTW i love the Wuhu part of her name though maybe I misspelled it lol) became a nun she took the name Guanyin.
As for Ms. Monroe, I'd say she probably wasn't a dude, enjoying coitus is great but getting zesty with brothers is pretty undude IMO.
Fuckin'e eh, I second Guanyin and Empress Shen Wuhu for great dude in history. (http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Thanks Dude, might want to check up on the story though! I lost my books when I got divorced so pulled those out of my ass so to speak. Details get sketchier every year, must be the flashbacks. And there were many other stories/legends about them.
Here are a few more I would nominate -
Rosa Parks -she refused to cross the line, imagine the strength it took for her to stand her ground - mark her 8 - nuff said
Sacagawea - she made the trip happen and she had a baby along the way!
Helen Keller - Deaf, mute, blind, political activist, lecturer, author, teacher. Without Anne Sullivan we probably never would have heard of Helen Keller so I'd think of them both as Dudes.
Joan of Arc - peasant, warrior, leader, martyr, Saint. Not much of a slacker but she meant well.
Harriet Tubman - born a slave, escaped, helped hundreds escape, union spy, suffragist - last words "I go to prepare a place for you." Buried with military honors.
Harper Lee- only one published book but what a great book it is! George W gave her Presidential Medal of Freedom, proving even a guy like him can get it right once in awhile.
Lady Bird Johnson - "Where flowers bloom, so does hope." As a gardener she has been an inspiration to me, every garden I designed with peace and rest in mind for my clients and their neighbors to enjoy and with each shovel of dirt I would think of that saying to help lighten my load.
Eleanor Roosevelt - civil rights activist, first lady, criticized for speaking out against anti-Japanese prejudice, was against the internment camps that her hubby gave executive orders for - bet they didn't have coitus for a long time after that! She tried to make her husband a better man but he didn't always listen. An elderly couple (one was born in Japan then immigrated as child the other was US born Japanese) I knew who were forced into the camps held her in high regard for the way she tried to squelch the racism they faced. BTW if anybody wants to see an interesting film about The Japanese experience during that time I suggest "Behind Barbed Wire" great documentary and there are some cool dudes I have had the pleasure of knowing for many years IRL, sadly some have passed on. I hope the lessons they taught me about grace under pressure will stay with me always.
A dude with a Johnson that I would also nominate is John Steinbeck - his books are stunning, he shared the fucked up human condition so well that many people where he lived scorned him when he was alive, funny now in many of the cities he lived on the Monterey Peninsula he is celebrated as a local hero and there are all sorts of memorials to the man but for a long time he was considered an embarrassment for exposing flaws.
Ok, even though it's a fictional character and besides the conversation is about "Great Dudes in History", I always think of Phoebe Buffay of Friends is a real Dude. Don't know much about Lisa Kudrow, though...
(http://www.waylar.com/fr/lisa7.jpg)
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Quote from: Bo Abides on August 30, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
Rosa Parks -she refused to cross the line, imagine the strength it took for her to stand her ground - mark her 8 - nuff said
Sacagawea - she made the trip happen and she had a baby along the way!
Helen Keller - Deaf, mute, blind, political activist, lecturer, author, teacher. Without Anne Sullivan we probably never would have heard of Helen Keller so I'd think of them both as Dudes.
Joan of Arc - peasant, warrior, leader, martyr, Saint. Not much of a slacker but she meant well.
Harriet Tubman - born a slave, escaped, helped hundreds escape, union spy, suffragist - last words "I go to prepare a place for you." Buried with military honors.
Harper Lee- only one published book but what a great book it is! George W gave her Presidential Medal of Freedom, proving even a guy like him can get it right once in awhile.
Lady Bird Johnson - "Where flowers bloom, so does hope." As a gardener she has been an inspiration to me, every garden I designed with peace and rest in mind for my clients and their neighbors to enjoy and with each shovel of dirt I would think of that saying to help lighten my load.
Eleanor Roosevelt - civil rights activist, first lady, criticized for speaking out against anti-Japanese prejudice, was against the internment camps that her hubby gave executive orders for - bet they didn't have coitus for a long time after that! She tried to make her husband a better man but he didn't always listen. An elderly couple (one was born in Japan then immigrated as child the other was US born Japanese) I knew who were forced into the camps held her in high regard for the way she tried to squelch the racism they faced. BTW if anybody wants to see an interesting film about The Japanese experience during that time I suggest "Behind Barbed Wire" great documentary and there are some cool dudes I have had the pleasure of knowing for many years IRL, sadly some have passed on. I hope the lessons they taught me about grace under pressure will stay with me always.
A dude with a Johnson that I would also nominate is John Steinbeck - his books are stunning, he shared the fucked up human condition so well that many people where he lived scorned him when he was alive, funny now in many of the cities he lived on the Monterey Peninsula he is celebrated as a local hero and there are all sorts of memorials to the man but for a long time he was considered an embarrassment for exposing flaws.
Now I would not argue that this is an amazing list of great achievers (truly amazing people, who deserve respect) the problem is that they don't seem particularly Dudeist.
For instance, Joan Of Arch, an amazing achievement for a little peasant girl, especially at the time she lived, but all that knees bent running around routeen hardly seems Dudeist though.
This is all entirely in my Dudist opinion of course.
I'd like to respectfully add Loni Anderson to the potential Dude list for her WKRP work. Hot cha cha, fellas!
Quote from: Chaplain K on October 13, 2013, 08:18:28 PM
I'd like to respectfully add Loni Anderson to the potential Dude list for her WKRP work. Hot cha cha, fellas!
;) Reminds me of zesty coitus.......
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