So the Muslim fanatics have done it again. This time two Muslim extremists in London in broad daylight have hacked a young soldier to death.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html?ITO=socialnet-facebook-dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html?ITO=socialnet-facebook-dailymail)
This time it doesn't matter that the report is from the daily mail.
I'm beyond Walter this evening! :(
Holy shit.... That's just way too far. Words can't describe how I feel.
Yah! And here was I defending Muslims. It's ok I've come to my senses! :(
That to me is a fuckhead thing.
I'm beyond Walter as I said. My FB personal messages from both my serving and ex service buddies has just gone mad. this is not going to end well.
Religion of peace? Don't think so, mangs.
DB's head is bowed :( :'(
You can stop with the rubbing my head in shit stuff dude. I said I gave in a while ago! :(
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 22, 2013, 10:35:46 PM
You can stop with the rubbing my head in shit stuff dude. I said I gave in a while ago! :(
That wasn't aimed at you, C dude. Was a statement in general because you often hear "islam is a peaceful religion" from a lot of people. No harm intended, dude.
Seriously!?
The only one on this board who mentioned that Islam is a religion of peace was me!
Forgive me if I am confused by your statement and maybe thought it was directed at me...it surely felt like it!
I read your Pm's and digested them. I understood what you were saying but still waited for Abeidist's statement before I answered.
I feel what you have just said was a low blow. But no matter. What you say is what you say. And without looking into your eyes I cannot tell the difference.
That is the difference between the internet and face to face communication.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 22, 2013, 11:25:57 PM
Seriously!?
The only one on this board who mentioned that Islam is a religion of peace was me!
Yes, Seriously; I wasn't thinking of your statement. I was thinking how the media always characterizes islam as "a religion of peace."
Have no worries. I am no longer thinking of Islam as a religion of peace.
In fact after this last act of barbarism I'm no longer thinking of Muslims as humans.
I've yet to hear a condemnation of this act from any Muslim religious leader.
I think there may be fire and more blood after this outrage.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 23, 2013, 12:10:19 AM
Have no worries. I am no longer thinking of Islam as a religion of peace.
In fact after this last act of barbarism I'm no longer thinking of Muslims as humans.
I've yet to hear a condemnation of this act from any Muslim religious leader.
I think there may be fire and more blood after this outrage.
I hope not, dude. As Gandi said "an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind." But I think you are right, there will be reprisals no doubt. Very sad indeed.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 22, 2013, 04:59:45 PM
So the Muslim fanatics have done it again. This time two Muslim extremists in London in broad daylight have hacked a young soldier to death.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html?ITO=socialnet-facebook-dailymail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html?ITO=socialnet-facebook-dailymail)
This time it doesn't matter that the report is from the daily mail.
I'm beyond Walter this evening! :(
It's here too..........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468)
Put it this way.
I'm on FB and have a lot of friends both serving and ex serving. My PM's have been going mad tonight with no one talking about calm. Equally everyone is so aware now of being monitored so nothing is being said publicly. Not too sure if that makes a difference but hey the malice is there for sure.
Lot's of private numbers being bandied around and lots's of disgust.
I'm going to bet that in the next few weeks/days a mosque or such is going to be razed. :(
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 23, 2013, 01:19:17 AM
Put it this way.
I'm on FB and have a lot of friends both serving and ex serving. My PM's have been going mad tonight with no one talking about calm. Equally everyone is so aware now of being monitored so nothing is being said publicly. Not too sure if that makes a difference but hey the malice is there for sure.
Lot's of private numbers being bandied around and lots's of disgust.
I'm going to bet that in the next few weeks/days a mosque or such is going to be razed. :(
I don't think razed is a good idea, but I do think it's time Britain begins putting in strong restrictions on the activities of islam in England. I would not shut down mosques because they can be a great source of intel on the activities of islam. But clearly islam needs to be put into submission to law and kept a close eye on.
Nah DB. They need to be sent home!
Or burned out or eradicated.
Enough of this tolerance shit.
It's not British.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 23, 2013, 01:38:07 AM
Nah DB. They need to be sent home!
Or burned out or eradicated.
Enough of this tolerance shit.
It's not British.
You sound like my cousin who lives London. He is for deporting muslims out of England. Have to say, it might come to that. Hopefully, it can be done peacefully. Everyone might be better off if muslims are sent back to where they came from to live in what ever culture they want to live in.
I've been having a lot of conversations by pm's through various sites with both my ex serving mates and currently serving ones.
The consensus is that we need to be a little bit more pro active here.
I think we're about to see the start of a limited war of attrition in UK.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 23, 2013, 02:49:40 AM
I've been having a lot of conversations by pm's through various sites with both my ex serving mates and currently serving ones.
The consensus is that we need to be a little bit more pro active here.
I think we're about to see the start of a limited war of attrition in UK.
Hopefully your islamic problem can be settled peacefully and effectively, but I fear it won't, violence is inevitable. Very sad.
I honestly can't wrap my head around Radical Islam. Swear sometimes I hear about this stuff and just want to call a news conference and say
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I mean, does everything that is done that might possibly offend them have to be met with some kind of war or the death of everyone involved?
If the bible were to be banned from the Army, or if some Holy Cleric was to burn a stack of Bibles or Torah's, would we see the actions and verbose grandiose rhetoric from the Vatican or... I'm sorry, honestly don't know the Jewish religion seat of power, that they give?
But someone does something to a Koran and it requires war, death of the person, death of the family, and anyone who's met that person. Jesus jokes and the stereotypes of the "Jewish banker" are made multiple times a day, heck even on prime time TV, but the entire world stops spinning if it's even hinted that someone might make fun of the prophet.
Swear they're like the big bully on the playground that laughs/makes fun of everyone else and makes sure their friends are laughing. But anyone else get's a joke in at their expense they go running home crying.
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No, no it is not.
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I just get tired of hearing how everything should be changed and catered. Shari'a law should be predominate because that's what we want. You can't do this, you can't do that because it's against what I believe..
So freaking what? You get to ignore my beliefs, my views and my system but I have to conform to yours? It's not the way it works pal. It's a lack of respect, it's a lack of common courtesy. I'll respect the hell out of your religion. I'll do my best to make sure I don't go out of my way to offend, but you gotta come to terms with the fact that some of the things I do (No I'm not giving up Pork, Ribs and BBQ) aren't going to conform to your system of beliefs, because it's not my system, and because of this view it does not mean it requires a Fatwa on my head.
And you'll do it too, don't think it's a one way street of just me not agreeing with you. if you make your wife wear a full body hi-jab for instance or she's not allowed to talk to me. I won't agree with it. I might not like it, but that's your system, that's your beliefs and you're entitled to them. I'm not gonna go rally the Teutonic Order and have them start the next crusade because of it though.
It's just too. Damn. Serious. And until people realize jokes, slights, and words are going to cause confusion and miscommunications but it's not the end of the world, we're going to see this type of stuff continue to happen especially within the concept of religion and belief systems. It's just a matter to get to a point where everyone looks at each other and instead of saying "I'll Kill you" it turns into "Well I disagree"
Heart and prayers for those of you across the pond going through this and to the soldiers family. Just a senseless waste. And apologies for the imagery overload. I tend to illustrate points more then explain when I get a bit agitated.
I'm not quite getting your post:
The facts are this, two muslim extremists in broad daylight hack off a man's head in London...the headless guy is a soldier!
FUCKING A I'M OFFENDED!
Yeah that's my fault. Reading through everything and all the talking points on the news lately I got convoluted into the whole "well this is a radical section of the religion and shouldn't be representative of the whole" instead of the actual brutal travesty of the event and what has actually happened. Need more caffeine.
Quote from: This Dude Abides on May 23, 2013, 01:18:27 PM
Yeah that's my fault. Reading through everything and all the talking points on the news lately I got convoluted into the whole "well this is a radical section of the religion and shouldn't be representative of the whole" instead of the actual brutal travesty of the event and what has actually happened. Need more caffeine.
Yeah you do that!
Caesar, I sympathize with your anger. But this is too much. Please.
There is no good solution. All you can do is pray, meditate, or sip an oat soda and bowl a few frames and hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Two fuckheads cut a soldier's head off. They are both fuckheads. 100% fuckheads. They claim to have done it in the name of Islam. Really? The soldier's name was Lee Rigby, by the way. Forget the other fuckheads' names. The father of one they killed was named Lee Rigby.
Less than 5% of the UK population are Muslim. Of those 5%, more than 80% are signed up to the leadership of the Muslim Council of Britain. The Muslim Council of Britain unequivocally condemns the killings. That gets us down to about 1% of the population who even potentially approve of this shit.
w-w-w.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2333%3Apr-template&catid=40%3Apress-release
(Once I have enough posts I will be able to post proper links to support my assertions with evidence. This fucking aggression will not stand, man!)
Is 1% enough to judge us by? No it is not. I could cut my neighbour's head off in the name of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Is it therefore the fault of the IPU? No, it is not because of IPUism, it's because I'm a dick.
I have Muslim friends, Muslim neighbours. They are watching their asses tonight. They are worried about Friday prayers tomorrow. This is not their fault, not their issue, not their campaign. I didn't think Dudeists condemned people on the basis of stuff they didn't do and don't approve of.
Please don't prove me wrong.
Well, it looks like it has begun...
See - Woolwich: EDL Protests As Mosques Targeted - http://news.sky.com/story/1094547/woolwich-edl-protests-as-mosques-targeted (http://news.sky.com/story/1094547/woolwich-edl-protests-as-mosques-targeted)
And - Mosques attacked after killing of soldier - http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=86327 (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=86327)
In the mean time.........
R.I.D.P. Drummer Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (DB's head is bowed :'( )
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Quote from: roystonoboogie on May 23, 2013, 06:50:41 PM
I didn't think Dudeists condemned people on the basis of stuff they didn't do and don't approve of.
Please don't prove me wrong.
Yeah, kinda what I was thinking. It's the people who had nothing to do with shit like this and who don't approve of it or condemn it outright that are in a position to get their asses handed to them by a bunch of misguided haters. And it's starting to sound like some misguided hate is going on in this-a-here forum.
What Would The Dude Do?
This Dude will start by spending a moment of silence in honor of that British soldier and all the others killed by this senseless and rampant violence; then I'll go out into the world and be an example by doin' me some peaceful PUBLIC Dudeist abiding.
(This aggression will not stand!) :'(
Look this is just my opinion but, there are times I feel I am the last sane person on this forum, which means things are in a really bad state.
If I was to run onto the street and kill someone and claim it was in the name of the telly tubby's would we be shouting for the destruction of all Telly Tubbys?
These two fuck wits killed someone, then have claimed they are doing this on someones behalf. They were not.
If I ran onto the street and killed someone and claimed it was on the behalf of Dudeism would you then be calling for the destruction of all Dudeists?
What is the best way to radicalise the pacifist Muslims?
You murder someone (a soldier) in a public place in the most horriblest way you can. You shout about being Muslims so the reaction is for the white people to take "revenge" on the Muslims. So the none radicalised Muslims react to the "revenge" and you have the war the minority wanted.
I have seen calls for reaction, revenge, so what do we do once we have expelled all the blacks,and the chinks, and the indians? Do we start on the jews (look at Israel they carry guns). The Irish, because dont forget the seventies, and eighties when the IRA killed far more than just one person?
I understand the ferver and disgust against what has been doen here, but they have been arrested. They will be tried, stop shouting for the linch mob.
And please remeber I come from a forces family, I come from the time when my father used to check under the car in the morning just in case the IRA had put a bomb under it, and the standing orders were you didnt wear your uniform when you were off duty because it would make you a target for the terrorists.
These two killed one soldier (and I do not condone that) but the IRA put fucking nail bombs in pubs and killed people, they put bombs in Waterloo, which I walk through every day on the way to work, in the name of catholic Irish people, did we then try to expel catholics and burn their churches?
Justice will be done against these two (arse holes), but not by burning mosques across the UK.
Again this is all in my own particular opinion.
I applaud your opinion, meekon5. I grew up in London in the '70s. I spent essentially all of my life until I was in my 30s under the direct threat of terrorist action. And do you know what?
I was never afraid.
I grew up amongst people who had been bombed in the Blitz, and if I learned anything from them it was this: never be afraid of the people who mean you harm. They want you to be afraid of them. If you are afraid, they win. If you are not afraid, they lose.
I can't take a bottle of water on an aeroplane in case it is a bomb. The terrorists won.
I have to take a flimsy pair of Converse All Stars off at security in case they are a bomb and not a well-known brand of shoes. The terrorists won.
I can't put my litter in a bin at the train station, the bins were all removed as an anti-terror measure. The terrorists won.
The threat of terrorism is a tiny risk - far lower risk than crossing the road whilst talking on your cellphone, or smoking a cigarette. I refuse to be afraid of terrorism, regardless of how hard the terrorists and the media try to make me afraid.
This aggression will not stand, man.
Of course you should never be afraid of terrorists. I think we can all agree with that. You can't let possibly dying stop you from enjoying your life and living. If you give into fear you are allowing for changes to made in the freedoms that the terrorists are attacking , they win. If suddenly because of the boston bombing we end up having TSA agents at sporting events because people are too afraid to go running or be spectators, they win.
For all you British dudes, I hope things don't get crazier than they already are. Definitely the situation with the Islamic threat is something that will take time and patience, and ultimately human good will and compassion, understanding and charity on all sides to resolves. As a short term for the extremists, all you can do is be on your guard and do your job as citizens and community leaders to help prevent crimes if you know or can do anything.
peace dudes.
Meekon - it's only Caesar that was really going off the rails. I don't think anyone else supported his point of view. It's flabbergasting because he was the one who just a couple of weeks ago blew his top because another poster was tarring all Muslims with the same brush. That ended up being a pretty bitter back-and-forth. Now apparently this attack has hit close to home because he is also in the military and so he's completely changed his mind - and to a degree that made the poster of the previous thread look like Mother Fucking Teresa.
I didn't want to say anything because the last time I got involved it just seemed to make everything worse. But I can't hold my tongue. I'm considering using a heavier hand in closing threads or even banning people.
This forum is starting to get hijacked by extreme personalities. It used to be an easygoing place. Once this forum no longer serves its purpose as a Dudeist meeting place and soapbox I will happily shut the whole thing down. If you can't take 'er easy then take 'er somewhere else.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 24, 2013, 06:10:16 PM
Look this is just my opinion but, there are times I feel I am the last sane person on this forum, which means things are in a really bad state.
If I was to run onto the street and kill someone and claim it was in the name of the telly tubby's would we be shouting for the destruction of all Telly Tubbys?
These two fuck wits killed someone, then have claimed they are doing this on someones behalf. They were not.
If I ran onto the street and killed someone and claimed it was on the behalf of Dudeism would you then be calling for the destruction of all Dudeists?
What is the best way to radicalise the pacifist Muslims?
You murder someone (a soldier) in a public place in the most horriblest way you can. You shout about being Muslims so the reaction is for the white people to take "revenge" on the Muslims. So the none radicalised Muslims react to the "revenge" and you have the war the minority wanted.
I have seen calls for reaction, revenge, so what do we do once we have expelled all the blacks,and the chinks, and the indians? Do we start on the jews (look at Israel they carry guns). The Irish, because dont forget the seventies, and eighties when the IRA killed far more than just one person?
I understand the ferver and disgust against what has been doen here, but they have been arrested. They will be tried, stop shouting for the linch mob.
And please remeber I come from a forces family, I come from the time when my father used to check under the car in the morning just in case the IRA had put a bomb under it, and the standing orders were you didnt wear your uniform when you were off duty because it would make you a target for the terrorists.
These two killed one soldier (and I do not condone that) but the IRA put fucking nail bombs in pubs and killed people, they put bombs in Waterloo, which I walk through every day on the way to work, in the name of catholic Irish people, did we then try to expel catholics and burn their churches?
Justice will be done against these two (arse holes), but not by burning mosques across the UK.
Again this is all in my own particular opinion.
Those are good righteous words, M dude.
Quote from: forumdude on May 25, 2013, 02:13:44 AM
Meekon - it's only Caesar that was really going off the rails. I don't think anyone else supported his point of view. It's flabbergasting because he was the one who just a couple of weeks ago blew his top because another poster was tarring all Muslims with the same brush. That ended up being a pretty bitter back-and-forth. Now apparently this attack has hit close to home because he is also in the military and so he's completely changed his mind - and to a degree that made the poster of the previous thread look like Mother Fucking Teresa.
I didn't want to say anything because the last time I got involved it just seemed to make everything worse. But I can't hold my tongue. I'm considering using a heavier hand in closing threads or even banning people.
This forum is starting to get hijacked by extreme personalities. It used to be an easygoing place. Once this forum no longer serves its purpose as a Dudeist meeting place and soapbox I will happily shut the whole thing down. If you can't take 'er easy then take 'er somewhere else.
I think, as in any open resource where a dude is more or less free to do or say what they want, there is always the temptation to perhaps go too far and abuse it sometimes; it's the test of any dude to see if such freedoms are use wisely and in a dudely manner. I hope this resource continues to be used properly. After all, this is an open unlocked door with a welcome mat, but still a private residence, man.
Maybe I will.
Man, abideist, you might want to study up a bit on Dudeism. Or start your own break off sect.
I apologise for my outburst Forum Dude. As I stated in my OP I was beyond Walter at the time due to having just witnessed the outrageous scene.
I have not been seeing things too clearly of late.
Time for me to be lay low and take it easy for a bit.
Sorry for getting all reactionary!
Peace.
Quote from: forumdude on May 25, 2013, 04:52:25 AM
Man, abideist, you might want to study up a bit on Dudeism. Or start your own break off sect.
That brings up the idea of "orders" with in Dudeiem. Like the "Order of the In-and-out-Burger," or the "Order of the Rug," or the "Order of the Burnin' a J;" kind of like local chapters of Dudeism.
No problem, Caesar. We all lose our cool sometimes. So long as we apologize once we've cooled off, all is copasetic.
Now maybe Abideist will apologize for his "hippie pussies" and "thank god I'm American" comments.
Wow, so much passion, on all sides, sounds exhausting.
Yeah, Islam is a fucking mess, lots of things are a fucking mess, but what do we really want? Do we not want to follow the Tsun Tsu, and not take it whole? To not take it while leaving its human constituents unharmed and ready to join in the struggle for human development? This is a tricky and challenging situation, it will take great skill to get it right.
Where everybody here is having a problem is with attachment to the outcome, they are so tied into the success of their theories and agendas that it is hard not to get upset or cling to their opinions. It is impossible to fix everything, right now immediately, and if you put all your passion into the belief that it can be, you are bound to have a bad time.
Straw dogs Dudes, all is straw dogs, we try and to make the world a more chill better place to live, but we may fail, it may all come crashing down tomorrow, and if it does I will not cry. All is impermanence, love with out condition, including the condition that it has to get better, that we have to survive. Saving the world and spreading peace and love is an act, not an outcome.
Why should I apologize for making a point? No one has apologized to me for making unjustified assumptions and trying to vilify my defense of the Buddhists man.
If you're offended by my words, than that is your problem. I deleted the comment, to appease the lack of comprehension that is so rampant on the internet and with some dudes.
And I'm damn sure not going to apologize for saying I'm proud to be an American no matter the context it was used in.
I suggest that instead of focusing on what you believe people are writing based on your own, like, opinions man; maybe you should fully engage the composition and transpired conversation with it.
Censoring, ha. I guess everyone should absolve themselves for everything that isn't unanimous too.
Abidest, you are not wrong, per se, but you are kinda being an ass about it.
On an aside, I never really got the "proud to be (insert nationality)" thing. Like what, you are proud of your self for choosing to be born in a particular region? None of us alive had anything to do with forming this nation, none of us have done any of the truly great endeavors (unless there is an astronaut hiding among our ranks). So yeah, I just don't get that, plus it perpetuates the us v them thang, not hip to that.
Your problem Abidest is you are investing way too much emotion into this, that's why your arguments are coming off so unskillfully and meeting resistance.
Tao vs 27 (partial)
What is a good man but a bad man's teacher?
What is a bad man but a good man's job?
If you don't understand this, you will get lost,
however intelligent you are.
It is the great secret.
My hope here is that any subject can be discussed and opinions made in a laid back dude like manner without any unchecked aggression. We all have to respect other people's opinions, even if it is like only their opinion, man.
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Absolutely, DB. I dig your style and wish Abideist would learn from you.
To illustrate, I sometimes have some personal disagreements with DB's politics but that doesn't affect my opinion of him as a participant here because he post things in a humorous and Dudely way. He knows this isn't all about winning the argument, but putting shit out there and allowing open exchange of info and ideas. And he agrees to take a step back when confronted with conflicting evidence and communal sentiment, just as most people on this forum do. And as Caesar just did, commendably.
Abideist, on the other hand is aggressively pursuing some sort of idealistic notion of liberty to say whatever he wants in the guise of intellectual freedom, even when that intellectual freedom includes the mandate to pretend he didn't say things and to never take anything back or meet anyone half way. This whole thing got inflamed that previous post when he said
"Personally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslims."
Now he says that we should apologize for making "unjustified assumptions" about his attitude towards Muslims. That's ridiculous. And the dissenting opinions about Buddhism are somehow "vilifi[ing] your defense" of them? Who's the fucking Nihilist here?
This has nothing to do with "being offended" and everything to do with rules of polite discourse. This isn't Nam. There are rules. If you don't understand the difference between free discourse and total narcissistic anarchism, then you're not welcome here. There are many forums where people behave this way and you'll fit right in. It's clear that you don't understand what Dudeism is all about.
However, if you want to take a step back and look at what your'e doing and contribute meaningfully to this forum, you're more than welcome to stay. You're welcome to disagree, but not to piss on our rug and call it "sharing."
Well said, forumdude. That's one of the reasons I read what you and DB post. I don't agree 100% with what either of you (or anyone here) says, but I'd rather find out than assume.
All this recent discourse has made me uncomfortable. Can't and won't speak for anyone. I know that my usual plan of stepping back and getting both sides isn't popular. I'd rather do that than just argue.
So do what you must regarding the forums, Mr forumdude.
Quote from: forumdude on May 25, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
Absolutely, DB. I dig your style and wish Abideist would learn from you.
To illustrate, I sometimes have some personal disagreements with DB's politics but that doesn't affect my opinion of him as a participant here because he post things in a humorous and Dudely way. He knows this isn't all about winning the argument, but putting shit out there and allowing open exchange of info and ideas. And he agrees to take a step back when confronted with conflicting evidence and communal sentiment, just as most people on this forum do. And as Caesar just did, commendably.
Abideist, on the other hand is aggressively pursuing some sort of idealistic notion of liberty to say whatever he wants in the guise of intellectual freedom, even when that intellectual freedom includes the mandate to pretend he didn't say things and to never take anything back or meet anyone half way. This whole thing got inflamed that previous post when he said
"Personally, and I may be shunned by my fellow dudes for saying this, but FUCK muslims."
Now he says that we should apologize for making "unjustified assumptions" about his attitude towards Muslims. That's ridiculous. And the dissenting opinions about Buddhism are somehow "vilifi[ing] your defense" of them? Who's the fucking Nihilist here?
This has nothing to do with "being offended" and everything to do with rules of polite discourse. This isn't Nam. There are rules. If you don't understand the difference between free discourse and total narcissistic anarchism, then you're not welcome here. There are many forums where people behave this way and you'll fit right in. It's clear that you don't understand what Dudeism is all about.
However, if you want to take a step back and look at what your'e doing and contribute meaningfully to this forum, you're more than welcome to stay. You're welcome to disagree, but not to piss on our rug and call it "sharing."
To build on what you said, Forumdude (which I appreciated, by the way); there is always the temptation to argue to win; winning an argument seems to be the goal in a lot of cases, perhaps it's our egos, or insecurities that are talking, when we "must win." More than often, its just plain pride, and in some nobler cases, it is a passionate belief in what you "know to be right" (such is my weakness). But, I'm wondering if a better way, and a better more productive path, to argue is to lay out your rap a to see if it's made of a good metal, put your opinions out on a level playing field and see how it fares. You test metal against metal...but the point is to test. Testing often reveals flaws, which is a good thing.
I have dabbled in arguing to win before (not here very much) and hell, yeah right; a lot of damn good it did me, and a lot of damn good it did anyone in the long run, for that matter. If you are good enough and don't mind typing a lot of shit, you can probably win just about any debate. Wha hoo, big deal! So maybe a more dudely enlightened way in a debate is to add your comments to the group mind as a way to see if you can enhance the body of knowledge of any subject. What you have to say may just be important for a wiser general consensus to come to the surface.
In other words; don't post to win the arguement, post to help everyone win. Sometimes you may post something that a person disagrees with, but to discover if you are right or not, they have to think, research and offer another opinion. By doing so, everyone benefits, everyone wins, and the body of knowledge expands. In short, a dozen heads united to discover deeper truths are more powerful than one dude with his or her argument a dude is determined to protect at all costs. A single stick can be easily broken, a dozen sticks, not so easy.
That's just like my opinion, man.
A wiser man than me once said -
Quotedon't post to win the argue, post to help everyone win.
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jesus fucking Christ man.
really?
It's like when I have to go to work with the fucking idiots that are above my pay grade and they have it all figured out before they've even done a fraction of the work required to know what the fuck is going on.
I don't have time to be pissed off, my life outside of what I would like to believe is the importance of dudeism is shitty enough as it is without reading posts about these fucking bullshit opinions.
AGAIN AND FOR THE 3RD TIME, you've managed to make false accusations against me.
It's you who are being undude at this point, despite my attitude, which I understand is not exactly zen but granted I didn't start this shit storm.
I'm not going to waste the time going over the past 100 posts and give you a English lesson. If you haven't realized shit, it's again, your own problem.
" FORUM DUDE - Now he says that we should apologize for making "unjustified assumptions" about his attitude towards Muslims ( READ WHAT I WROTE, DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MUSLIMS? NO! SEVERAL MEMBERS MADE UNJUSTIFIED ASSUMPTIONS THAT I WAS A. A HATEFUL RACIST B. A HALF IN HALF OUT LIAR. C. SOMEONE AVOIDING THE CONVERSATION. ETC. ) . That's ridiculous. And the dissenting opinions about Buddhism are somehow "vilifi[ing] your defense" of them? Who's the fucking Nihilist here? (WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCKING TALKING ABOUT! I REALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN? ALL I DID WAS POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T STAR THE FUCKING RIOTS, THE MUSLIMS DID, AND FUCK THE MUSLIMS THAT DID THAT SHIT AND ANY OTHER MUSLIMS THAT WANT TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE! )
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This has nothing to do with "being offended" and everything to do with rules of polite discourse. This isn't Nam. There are rules. If you don't understand the difference between free discourse and total narcissistic anarchism, then you're not welcome here. There are many forums where people behave this way and you'll fit right in. It's clear that you don't understand what Dudeism is all about.
( EXCUSE THE FUCK OUT OF ME FOR NOT BEING POLITE ABOUT MURDERING PSYCHOPATHS, BUT EVERY OTHER CONVO SINCE THEN HAS BEEN IN MY DEFENSE OF YOUR, AND OTHERS RECKLESS RESPONSES FOR LIGHTLY BROWSING THE CONVO AND NOT ACTUALLY READING EVERY FUCKING WORD)
However, if you want to take a step back and look at what your'e doing and contribute meaningfully to this forum, you're more than welcome to stay. You're welcome to disagree, but not to piss on our rug and call it "sharing."
(I have been extremely dude, and civil about every thing up till I read this little message of yours. FORUM DUDE, You're the one who is undude. And I doubt you will see it either. And obviously since you can't understand why an American wouldn't apologize for saying he's proud of being American, me and you will never agree on anything right? Your distaste for Americans is unfortunate but I can't hate you for that, I know lots of UK friends who hated it here in the states, but they never wanted to shun me for respecting civil liberty and freedom of religion. That's part of dudeism itself!
I honestly feel like it's you who has over blown this whole thing by simply not reading what is actually being said, and simply skimming over these forum discussions.
Whatever dude. And another thing, I've never once said anything about winning an argument, I'm not even arguing, Im simply defending myself. Although it does remind me of the Islamic militant comments I've seen on many web stories and news sites. There's always someone talking about victory and winning, and I keep rolling my eyes, because life isn't a game and people who are in an argument to win it are fucking out of it man. I don't give a shit if you agree with me, I don't give a shit if you think you're right and I'm wrong. I don't care about anything other than making it perfectly clear that you have greatly misunderstood, well, pretty much every fucking thing from stroke one, and just because I can't get on this site every day and point shit out right away, it gives people the opportunity to make up a whole bunch of shit in my absence and it's taken the wrong way.
Other than that, Im find with looking the other way and saying, whatever dude, fuck it, lets go bowling. But my whole life this is the type of shit I've had to deal with. People not having the correct information, miscommunication. all of that shit.
I don't need your forum to be a dude, I don't need your opinions and your nonsense attack against me to make me less of the dude I'll always be.
I don't think I will be coming back here, and since I don't have a the resources to make my own dudeist website, I doubt I will ever have another way to get in contact with other dudes, but if you're reading this and your living in the USA (or anywhere really but if state side be warned patriotism is frowned upon I guess?), and you're really about just taking it easy and letting shit be, until someone threatens your freedom or tries to make you a patsy for some bullshit, than you and I are on the same page friend, and don't let anyone, be they claiming dudeist or nay, ever make you think you have to find a new place or you can't speak your mind, or anything! I'm with you dude, and you don't need anything but a cool beverage and an open lane.
talking to me about rules...Like i'm posting fucking Nazi propaganda, or plans for space stations, or some shit.
hypocrites.
Not sure why I bother login in anymore...
Quote from: Hominid on June 02, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
Not sure why I bother login in anymore...
I wonder that at times, too. I even had a long conversation with another dude here. I almost had my account deleted because of some recent posts.
The "zen" of dudeism (hence its essence) seems to be a lost concept on some. I think a lot of people have been avoiding the forum because of the dominating bullshit strident rants. I'm disappointed in the tone of the forum of late.
I'm hoping my sig picture would lighten things up!
I'm going to lock this topic before it becomes any more toxic. It appears that communication has broken down entirely and attempts to rectify it would just result in more bad vibes. Let's wipe this slate clean and try to start over.