;D You didn't think we were rolling out naked, did ya?
Magpul showing off the FMG-9 concept folding gun. Old news, but since such a hit I dug up the tape and am bringing this vid in full HD.
A world of pain! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=enzlTEysYVU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=enzlTEysYVU)
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I can't see why I'd want a shoulder stock on a handgun and never want a light source directly in front of my body, but it's cute.
Quote from: RighteousDude on April 08, 2013, 09:13:26 PM
I can't see why I'd want a shoulder stock on a handgun and never want a light source directly in front of my body, but it's cute.
One reason for the "light source directly in front of my body" is because there is a tendency, when holding the light in another hand other than your "gun hand" to point the light in one direction while looking around, and your gun hand goes in another direction (very common mistake). When you see a person, with your light, who could shoot at you, by the time you get your gun trained on him from where your gun hand was, you're dead.
Navy Seals as well as most police, as an example, when using a hand gun and a light held in the hand, use the "turret method;" the light is held in the fist like you were going to stab with it, but horizontal, and your gun hand rest on the light hand moving together like a turret...
(http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/images/2012-11/20121126101945-flashlightech_m.jpg)
There is also this turret method that I am personally not a fan of...
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Dunno why any dude would be a "fan" of any the above! :(
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 08, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
Dunno why any dude would be a "fan" of any the above! :(
;D This.........
(http://www.theglamm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hot-chicks-with-guns-22.jpg)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 08, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
One reason for the "light source directly in front of my body" is because there is a tendency, when holding the light in another hand other than your "gun hand" to point the light in one direction while looking around, and your gun hand goes in another direction (very common mistake).
"Follow the light with the sights", and practice is all it takes to master the technique. I don't know about anyone else, but if a bad guy with flashlight and a gun wants to ruin my night, I'm throwing some rounds at that fucking light.
I cautiously throw my two cents in.
I get the 'cool' factor, hell I wouldn't mind getting to play around with a 76mm shoulder fired mortar. I also understand self defense, keeping a pistol or shotgun for home defense is not exactly wrong. Then I also totally get the sports around shooting, hunting is something I no longer do, but there is something natural about it, a connection to our evolution.
But what I don't get is the idolatrous worship of weapons some people have for them. I find the 31st verse of the Tao covers how I feel about guns pretty well.
QuoteWeapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.
Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.
From a translation by S. Mitchell
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 09, 2013, 12:11:51 AM
(http://www.theglamm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hot-chicks-with-guns-22.jpg)
What Gun? No wait haven't I been here before? What day is this?
Quote from: meekon5 on April 09, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on April 09, 2013, 12:11:51 AM
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What Gun? No wait haven't I been here before? What day is this?
You mean, vagina, I mean, you know this female form? ;D
Sadly not intimately
Quote from: revgms on April 09, 2013, 10:22:52 AM
I cautiously throw my two cents in.
I get the 'cool' factor, hell I wouldn't mind getting to play around with a 76mm shoulder fired mortar. I also understand self defense, keeping a pistol or shotgun for home defense is not exactly wrong. Then I also totally get the sports around shooting, hunting is something I no longer do, but there is something natural about it, a connection to our evolution.
But what I don't get is the idolatrous worship of weapons some people have for them. I find the 31st verse of the Tao covers how I feel about guns pretty well.
QuoteWeapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.
Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.
From a translation by S. Mitchell
Can't say I know any soldiers who aren't in love with killing technology. As well, I can't say I know of any spiritual/sage-like man who is (or wants to be) intimately familiar with killing technology. Aren't they mutually exclusive? I get your point; weapons of destruction should ONLY ever be a last choice. But it's not how the war culture works. Since the dawn of time, our best technology has always gone into warfare, quickly followed by the soldiers who love using it.
But then, what do I know?
Well, pretty much my whole family is full of war veterans, myself included, and while I would say we were all first class soldiers and skilled at the job, I can not say any of us had any love for war. We are just uniquely able to cope with the challenges of war making, and thus it made more sense for us to serve than to let less well equipped individuals go in our stead. I go so you don't have to, if I could stop it I would, but I can take your place and give you the chance to avoid it. That's the thinking I had and I know my father and grandfathers had.
There is something about being in a war zone that I can not quite describe, it is very close to the edge of life and death, that gritty place where life becomes hyper real, it is exciting to the umth degree. That and the sense of unity you share with your fellow soldiers is nothing you can find in the civilian world, when you hold your buddies life in your hands and he holds yours, and the amount of altruistic love you share with each other is mind bending.
All that said
A true worrier hates war, his primary focus is to end war, he doesn't chose his battles he seeks merely to end them.
One last qualifier, not every member of the military is a true worrier, there are douchebags and dicks in the military, but the worriers try to thin them out, killers and assholes don't make good soldiers.
Very insightful response, thanks... you make some great points.
Quote from: revgms on April 10, 2013, 08:53:52 AM
there are douchebags and dicks in the military
That was my experience. Four years then FIGMO and never looked back.
Everybody takes a fair bit of crap from other people, right from when they're a little nipper, and it's tempting to dump some of that anger, resentment and what have you on anyone who presents themself as a legitimate target. When someone wrongs me now, I tend to package in all that collected shit and say "here you go asshole, you can have all this hate as a job-lot". That's not great at the best of times, but if you're holding a gun, it's real tempting to unleash that festering anger in a very violent way. We can end up just looking for a justification to pull the trigger because the truth is it feels good to get all that shit out of your system. But is it wise?
;) I think we should create Little Lebowski Achiever Female Forms...
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If the Chinaman or the Nihilists had wandered into a private residence and the Dude had been a gun owner - might have been a very different outcome.
I prefer the Dude's approach.
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on April 11, 2013, 03:16:00 AM
If the Chinaman or the Nihilists had wandered into a private residence and the Dude had been a gun owner - might have been a very different outcome.
I prefer the Dude's approach.
You damn right it would have been! If two thugs came into my pad kicking the door down and tried to do to me or anyone in my home what they did to the dude, I guarantee you they would be flying back out the door with a hole in their chests wide enough to drive a Mac truck through. That is a movie, a great one, but still a movie. That was a home invasion, a serious felony, with intent to threaten and do bodily harm; come in my pad and try that and I hope your funeral insurance is paid up.
Dude, a dude has, as does anyone, the right to defend himself. And the dude was not above doing so...
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I hate violence, but hey, if it works and is needed, OK then.