http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/21/uk-trial-reveals-new-al-qaeda-strategy-to-hit-west/ (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/21/uk-trial-reveals-new-al-qaeda-strategy-to-hit-west/)
Paraquat!
QuoteThey also were taught how to put poisons in face creams.
Poisons in face creams? What kind of mind?
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The trial of three Birmingham men convicted Thursday of plotting to launch a "catastrophic" suicide bombing attack in the United Kingdom revealed that al Qaeda has developed a new strategy to target the West.
The new strategy involves a teacher-training approach in which a select few Western operatives are taught bombmaking and other aspects of terrorist tradecraft in the tribal areas of Pakistan and are then instructed to return back to the West to "spread the knowledge" to a larger body of Islamist extremists keen on launching attacks.
The new approach is a response to the growing toll of drone strikes which have made travel to the tribal areas increasingly perilous for Western recruits and significantly diminished al Qaeda's ability to orchestrate terrorist plots from the region.
The trial revealed that terrorist groups in Pakistan are actively dissuading Western militants from making the trip.
Two of those convicted Thursday - Irfan Naseer and Irfan Khalid - received 40 days of terrorist training in the tribal areas of Pakistan in the spring of 2011, mostly inside houses in the valleys of Waziristan.
In conversations bugged by British police, the plotters described being handled by al Qaeda operatives and having attended a training camp run by Harakat al Mujahideen, a Pakistani terrorist group closely affiliated with al Qaeda.
The recordings revealed that like other Western militants before them, they were provided detailed instruction in the tricky and potentially hazardous methods to make bombs out of substances readily available in the West, and practiced detonating them. Their instructors included Arabs and Pakistanis.
They also were taught how to put poisons in face creams.
And their teachers emphasized they should put nails inside their bombs, to act as razor-sharp shrapnel.
Naseer, a pharmacy major and the plot's alleged ringleader, was heard recalling how one of their trainers had said the July 7, 2005, London bombers had missed an opportunity to kill more people by failing to put nails in their devices.
Camel fuckers, man. Looking for reverse in a Soviet tank. Unworthy adversaries.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
Would you rather we use sling shots? 8)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
Would you rather we use sling shots? 8)
Yeah I would. But my point is really that life does not stop and start at your convenience, whether you dabble in pacifism or automated weapons systems.
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
Would you rather we use sling shots? 8)
Yeah I would. But my point is really that life does not stop and start at your convenience, whether you dabble in pacifism or automated weapons systems.
Well then, my suggestion is simple; grab a sling shot and get the job done, dude. 8)
They learn nothing from our history.We've been getting bombed by someone or other for over a hundred years.First anarchists then the Irish.Then the Germans then the Irish again.Now the Arabs. Nothing changes.Life goes on.
Quote from: Zen Dog on February 25, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
They learn nothing from our history.We've been getting bombed by someone or other for over a hundred years.First anarchists then the Irish.Then the Germans then the Irish again.Now the Arabs. Nothing changes.Life goes on.
Yeah, man; same ole' shit! Nothing ever changes.
Maybe it's a bit smarter than that. Look at how much shit you have to go through now just to get on a plane now. Our lives are becoming so much more restricted as a result that western society will grind to a halt under the perceived threat rather than the actual threat. Not that I'm belittling the loss of life resulting from their bombs. Look at the shit Americans went through with macarthy hearings and communism.
Quote from: milnie on February 25, 2013, 04:14:39 PM
Our lives are becoming so much more restricted as a result that western society will grind to a halt under the perceived threat rather than the actual threat.
Terrorism is our new Cold War, just a ruse to keep the money flowing into the military-industrial complex. The best thing about terrorism, from the perspective of the ruling elite, is that it's not tied to any specific nation-state, so cannot be ended by something as unfortunate as the collapse of any nation-state. It's a magic perpetual money machine for as long as the full faith and credit of the United States is worth more than shit.
Ed Abbey wrote, long ago:
Be of good cheer. The military-industrial state will soon collapse. I'm more cheerful with the passing of each year. 8)
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw)
The thing that comes to mind is that this is all being run by a guy at a PC somewhere.
Now I'm betting that you get something like.
"Dude's! Check this out. I'm gonna frag a mortar team!"
Lots of Army Dude's gathering around the screen eating hot pockets.
"Wait for it, wait for it, Boooooooyaaaaaa!"
High fives all around....
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw)
The thing that comes to mind is that this is all being run by a guy at a PC somewhere.
Now I'm betting that you get something like.
"Dude's! Check this out. I'm gonna frag a mortar team!"
Lots of Army Dude's gathering around the screen eating hot pockets.
"Wait for it, wait for it, Boooooooyaaaaaa!"
High fives all around....
You ever dabble in pacifism BD?
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 27, 2013, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw)
The thing that comes to mind is that this is all being run by a guy at a PC somewhere.
Now I'm betting that you get something like.
"Dude's! Check this out. I'm gonna frag a mortar team!"
Lots of Army Dude's gathering around the screen eating hot pockets.
"Wait for it, wait for it, Boooooooyaaaaaa!"
High fives all around....
You ever dabble in pacifism BD?
I don't believe that you can apply the same solution to all problems.
You start with peace and then deal with the paraquat when necessary.
The reality is that the righteous are served best by what gets the job done.
The reality is that Gandhi for instance only succeeded because that was how the balance sheet came out. There just wasn't a huge deposit of oil or diamonds under India.
If there had been then peaceful resistance would have just made them easier to put the crosshairs on.
I believe in Fighting the good fight. That does happen on a lot of fronts and a lot of ways.
But when it comes to meeting fanatic Islamic Fundamentalism with violence. No problem.
I also believe in meeting racism and every other paraquatism with extreme prejudice.
It simply does not fix it's self. That has been the reality forever in the past and will be the same forever in the future.
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 27, 2013, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw)
The thing that comes to mind is that this is all being run by a guy at a PC somewhere.
Now I'm betting that you get something like.
"Dude's! Check this out. I'm gonna frag a mortar team!"
Lots of Army Dude's gathering around the screen eating hot pockets.
"Wait for it, wait for it, Boooooooyaaaaaa!"
High fives all around....
You ever dabble in pacifism BD?
I don't believe that you can apply the same solution to all problems.
You start with peace and then deal with the paraquat when necessary.
The reality is that the righteous are served best by what gets the job done.
The reality is that Gandhi for instance only succeeded because that was how the balance sheet came out. There just wasn't a huge deposit of oil or diamonds under India.
If there had been then peaceful resistance would have just made them easier to put the crosshairs on.
I believe in Fighting the good fight. That does happen on a lot of fronts and a lot of ways.
But when it comes to meeting fanatic Islamic Fundamentalism with violence. No problem.
I also believe in meeting racism and every other paraquatism with extreme prejudice.
It simply does not fix it's self. That has been the reality forever in the past and will be the same forever in the future.
I just worry that violence often seems like an attractive short term fix but maybe it does more harm long-term because of the negative vibes it puts out into the cosmo-sphere. Can't help feeling that the Dude's low point was saying "We're gonna cut your dick off Larry".
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 27, 2013, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 27, 2013, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 26, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 23, 2013, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 23, 2013, 04:14:42 AM
Unworthy adversaries.
Yeah stand still while we hit you with lazer-guided napalm from a drone strike you fuckin cowards! You bastards need to learn to fight fair.
I know a lack of spinal when I see one dude.
The new technology permits us to do exciting things with
interactive killing software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.
Fuckin' eh
Hunter Killer Drone Strike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjR8v1njsg)
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-PbjA8DIw)
The thing that comes to mind is that this is all being run by a guy at a PC somewhere.
Now I'm betting that you get something like.
"Dude's! Check this out. I'm gonna frag a mortar team!"
Lots of Army Dude's gathering around the screen eating hot pockets.
"Wait for it, wait for it, Boooooooyaaaaaa!"
High fives all around....
You ever dabble in pacifism BD?
I don't believe that you can apply the same solution to all problems.
You start with peace and then deal with the paraquat when necessary.
The reality is that the righteous are served best by what gets the job done.
The reality is that Gandhi for instance only succeeded because that was how the balance sheet came out. There just wasn't a huge deposit of oil or diamonds under India.
If there had been then peaceful resistance would have just made them easier to put the crosshairs on.
I believe in Fighting the good fight. That does happen on a lot of fronts and a lot of ways.
But when it comes to meeting fanatic Islamic Fundamentalism with violence. No problem.
I also believe in meeting racism and every other paraquatism with extreme prejudice.
It simply does not fix it's self. That has been the reality forever in the past and will be the same forever in the future.
I just worry that violence often seems like an attractive short term fix but maybe it does more harm long-term because of the negative vibes it puts out into the cosmo-sphere. Can't help feeling that the Dude's low point was saying "We're gonna cut your dick off Larry".
Well sit and chant while the zips overrun the compound if you like but I don't think it accomplishes a thing.
If there's another option then that's all good.
If you believe in something else then take part.
I'm not completely unsure that progress can't be made with engagement.
But once the gloves are off that's just another front.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67a_1331412002 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67a_1331412002)
Drone strike NOW PLEASE!
Here's a dude who walked the walk. Personally I just think he got lucky that he didn't run into the same guys as Daniel Pearl or the guy in the video above.
I know I'm not alone. Michael Franti.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBSrujUzFY0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBSrujUzFY0)
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Franti is also an advocate for peace in the Middle East. His film I Know I'm Not Alone features footage of Iraq, the Palestinian territories, and Israel. Franti decided to embark on this three week journey with friends to view the cost of war in the Middle East first-hand. Franti states, "This film came out of my frustration with watching the nightly news and hearing generals, politicians, and pundits explaining the political and economic cost of the war in the Middle East, without ever mentioning the human cost. I wanted to hear about the war by the people affected by it most: doctors, nurses, poets, artists, soldiers, and my personal favorite, musicians."[16] The film aims to speak multiple generations and to give people a better understanding of the people who still live in war-torn countries. He did not embark on the trip for the film with any special government groups or organizations, but instead bought plane tickets and headed off to Iraq, the Palestinian territories, and Israel armed with nothing more than his guitar and an extreme passion for music and a love of people. He says, "When I first had the idea for this journey, I had no idea how to get to Iraq and almost no idea how to make a film. After discovering that all you need to get into Iraq is a plane ticket, I prayed that movie making would be that simple..."[4]
In 2001 Franti was awarded the Domestic Human Rights Award by Global Exchange, and international NGO based in San Francisco, for his work to end war.
In 2006, he was invited by Australian Labour MP Jenny Macklin to show the film at Australia's Parliament House, Canberra.[17]
Yeah the Larry comment was a low. For anybody. Sad pathetic and unsurprising. Fake pacifism exposed for what it often is. It's a thin line between pacifism and cowardice. The guy above is a pacifist. He showed some nuts going over to the mid east like that.
Get some! Get some!
Booooooyaaaaa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1X0SNVlkg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1X0SNVlkg)
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 03:33:43 PM
Get some! Get some!
Booooooyaaaaa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1X0SNVlkg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1X0SNVlkg)
Now that's combat!