I think that if Israel gave back the land they took in the West Bank, Golan Heights and what have you that a lot of shit would sort itself out in the Middle East. There seem to be a lot of Walters in Israel but there is also this dude:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/I6sPCSJu31U?rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/I6sPCSJu31U?rel=0)
:( sorry, dude; I hit the "modify" link, and not the "quote" to answer your post, no harm intended and no changes made to you comment.
And afterwards they will sit down and gorge on bacon rolls ;)
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 22, 2012, 12:35:17 PM
I think that if Israel gave back the land they took in the West Bank, Golan Heights and what have you that a lot of shit would sort itself out in the Middle East. There seem to be a lot of Walters in Israel but there is also this dude:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/I6sPCSJu31U?rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/I6sPCSJu31U?rel=0)
Unlikely; the "Palestinians" would simply demand more land until they have it all; actually, their goal is not the land, they couldn't give a shit about the land of Israel, they simply want dead Jews. The land means nothing to them, it's not even mentioned in the ko'ran as anything to do with muslims or so-called "Palestinians," in fact, it's not mentioned at all. Show me a single reference in the ko'ran concerning Jerusalem, or it being important to muslims; you won't find it.
They, before Israel was a nation, didn't want anything to do with the land of Israel and had all but vacated it when they were part of the Ottoman empire, then later, under control of the British, having SOLD vast amounts of it to Jews.
Sorry, dude; "giving back" the West Bank, Golan Heights would be useless and dangerous.
QuoteUnlikely; the "Palestinians" would simply demand more land until they have it all; actually, their goal is not the land, they couldn't give a shit about the land of Israel, they simply want dead Jews. The land means nothing to them, it's not even mentioned in the ko'ran as anything to do with muslims or so-called "Palestinians," in fact, it's not mentioned at all. Show me a single reference in the ko'ran concerning Jerusalem, or it being important to muslims; you won't find it.
They, before Israel was a nation, didn't want anything to do with the land of Israel and had all but vacated it when they were part of the Ottoman empire, then later, under control of the British, having SOLD vast amounts of it to Jews.
Sorry, dude; "giving back" the West Bank, Golan Heights would be useless and dangerous.
I agree with all of the above DB.
The Golan war (Yom Kippur) was an unprovoked attack on Israel who then fought to keep the heights and give security to Israel. It is doing that!
There are something like 800 million arabs who would like to see the end of Israel and that is nothing compared to the billion or so muslims that would like the same.
I lived in Arabia for many years and never met one who didn't agree with the Nazis or the holocaust..
Go figure?
I do not think for one second that Israel conceding a single piece of land would alleviate the problem!
I've travelled to every Gulf state (except the Yemen) and I've visited Israel. Take a guess where I'd rather live?
Shalom dudes
Actually,I think you are talking shite.What is taking place is a rerun of manifest destiny.With a similar amount of organisation and moral imperative on both sides.
QuoteActually,I think you are talking shite.
I believe that is your Didely opinion dude.
"Manifest Destiny" What the fuck is that? Some sort of karma for "killing " an allegory or a made up messiah?
A sort of ongoing genocidal hatred throughout all the Centuries against a tiny sect who supposedly rallied with and then against a peaceful but radical, long haired, blue eyed white skinned ,son of a carpenter named Jesus (which in fact history does not actually record, there is not a single written record about the dude...not one! Look it up.)
No. What is taking is place is pure hatred and intolerance. Based on fabrications superstitions and bare faced lies. Then someone got hurt and it became personal! Then the family got involved. Then they carried on hating because they had an excuse.
"manifest destiny" Now that is the biggest load of shite I've ever heard.
IMDO of course
Quote from: Zen Dog on November 22, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
Actually,I think you are talking shite.What is taking place is a rerun of manifest destiny.With a similar amount of organisation and moral imperative on both sides.
Quote from: Caesar dude on November 22, 2012, 08:18:54 PM
QuoteActually,I think you are talking shite.
I believe that is your Didely opinion dude.
"Manifest Destiny" What the fuck is that? Some sort of karma for "killing " an allegory or a made up messiah?
Manifest Destiny - Like an opinion, man......Manifest Destiny was the belief widely held by Americans in the 19th century that the United States was destined to expand across the continent. The concept, born out of "a sense of mission to redeem the Old World", was enabled by "the potentialities of a new earth for building a new heaven". The phrase itself meant many different things to many different people. The unity of the definitions ended at "expansion, prearranged by Heaven". Mid-19th-century Democrats would use it to explain the need for expansion beyond the Louisiana Territory.
Manifest destiny provided the dogma and tone for the largest acquisition of U.S. territory. It was used by Democrats in the 1840s to justify the war with Mexico and it was also used to acquire portions of Oregon from the British Empire. But Manifest Destiny always limped along because of its internal limitations and the issue of slavery, says Merk, and never became a national priority. By 1843 John Quincy Adams, a major supporter, had changed his mind and repudiated Manifest Destiny because it meant the expansion of slavery in Texas.
The legacy is a complex one. The belief in an American mission to promote and defend democracy throughout the world, as expounded by Abraham Lincoln and later by Woodrow Wilson and George W. Bush, continues to have an influence on American political ideology.
Check out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny)
I was trying to be analagous or something.There is an established UN agreed border between Israel and the West Bank.Settlers under the protection of the
IDF illegaly cross it and build homes etc.Then the government moves the border to encompass them.Locals who have farmed these areas for generations then lose access to their land.Black Hills of Dakota dude.History repeats itself,first as comedy then as tragedy.
Yeah, I believe that land really does matter to Palestinians, as it does to most people. Land is linked with your home, traditions, wealth, water rights all sorts of stuff.
I think it is a victim mentality to believe that all muslims want the destruction of Israel. There is plenty of evidence to show that the principal muslim attitude is some degree of acceptance mixed with feelings of resentment on certain issues - and a central area of resentment is ....land. The rhetoric of aggression and destruction comes mainly from frustration and there are practical measures which could be taken to greatly reduce that sence of injustice.
Manifest destiny...an excuse for genocide..
Worked out well for the native peoples of America.
QuoteI think it is a victim mentality to believe that all muslims want the destruction of Israel.
Call it what you like. It's part of the Muslim / Arab psyche. I was going through customs in Abu Dhabi ( a more liberal Arab State than most) and the guy checking my hand luggage pounced upon my pocket English didctionary. He flicked through the pages until he got to the letter i, then with a black marker pen promptly wiped out the word Israel!
I don't think there is an Arabic word for tolerance!
تسامح
Quoteتسامح
Very funny and how literal of you! :)
They also have a word for Israel إسرائيل but I wasn't allowed it in my dictionary!
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 23, 2012, 07:40:50 AM
Yeah, I believe that land really does matter to Palestinians, as it does to most people. Land is linked with your home, traditions, wealth, water rights all sorts of stuff.
I think it is a victim mentality to believe that all muslims want the destruction of Israel. There is plenty of evidence to show that the principal muslim attitude is some degree of acceptance mixed with feelings of resentment on certain issues - and a central area of resentment is ....land. The rhetoric of aggression and destruction comes mainly from frustration and there are practical measures which could be taken to greatly reduce that sence of injustice.
If that land mattered so much to them, why did they do all but NOTHING with it for centuries? Suddenly, with Israel there, it matters. It doesn't matter what you believe, history is history. The land means nothing to them, killing Jews does.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 23, 2012, 05:16:18 PM
If that land mattered so much to them, why did they do all but NOTHING with it for centuries?
Native Americans didn't really 'do anything with' the land for centuries. It doesn't mean you don't value something just because you haven't built a casino on it yet.
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 24, 2012, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 23, 2012, 05:16:18 PM
If that land mattered so much to them, why did they do all but NOTHING with it for centuries?
Native Americans didn't really 'do anything with' the land for centuries. It doesn't mean you don't value something just because you haven't built a casino on it yet.
This is my concern, dude.......
You're missing the point; the Palestinians had no historic motivation or push to settle or rule the land of Israel UNTIL Israel became a nation 1948; a Jewish nation. Then, all of a sudden, like a bunch of drunken morons, they start claiming that it was "their land." Even as muslims, they have no claim of the land Israel is on. Jerusalem, as an example, is not even mentioned in the ko'ran.
They have no legitimate claim, no history of possessing the land, no legal right to attack and destroy Israel, no international recognition as a people in ownership of the land of Israel, and no background of establishing a government or society OF ANY KIND. Their claim is pure made up bullshit and fucking fairly stories!
The name "Palestinians" was applied to them by terror organizations and islamic groups in an attempt to make them sound like they are indigenous to the area of Palestine (the historic Holy Land) and belong there; i.e., Palestinians = Palestine, and Palestine = Palestinians. Only ignorant people believe it. It's nothing more than pure lies and propaganda.
"I - Origin and identity of the so-called Palestinians - Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against..."Dude, all they want to do is kill Jews...end of story.
The Indians were a real people or peoples for centuries in America; the so-called "Palestinians" are a fantasy construct of organizations such as the PLO, they didn't even exist as a recognized group until the middle of the 20th century and only as a slang term. They're Arabs, nothing more. They're not a legitimate people or ethic group with any history at all or any claim on the area THE TURKS called Palestine (a term, by the way, meaning "bad lands" or "trash dump" or "waste land.")
Palestine was all but deserted; as Mark Twain once said concerning the returning of Jews to the "promise land" while traveling through Palestine, he wrote "a land WITHOUT a people, for a people without a land." He was referring to the migration of Jews from all over the world beginning in Mark Twain's time to Palestine that was all but desolate and void, more or less, of even Arabs.
In other words, the Arabs (falsely called "Palestinians") under the rule of the Turkish/Ottoman Empire, didn't give a damn about the Land of Israel. Now that the Jews have it back, the Arabs, calling themselves "Palestinians" suddenly want it.
You really need to learn your history, dude.
I'm not sure that geting all embroiled up in history is really the point. The Israelis are over the line in the West Bank. Whatever historical twist you put on it they have effectively annexed land against internationally recognised borders. People get uptight about that sort of thing whether they are called Pally-stinians Ay-rabs or whatever else.
The land-bone's connected to the rocket-bone.
QuoteI'm not sure that geting all embroiled up in history is really the point.
If you don't look at the history then you will NEVER get the point!
The history is what has brought Israel and the Arabs to this. It started in 1948 the instant the state of Israel was formed/ The Arabs then attacked in 1967 and 1973.
I think Israel is entitled to defend itself in any way it chooses including pre-emptive strikes.
What would you have them do? Give up the land and go somewhere else?
Quote from: Caesar dude on November 24, 2012, 06:08:15 PM
QuoteI'm not sure that geting all embroiled up in history is really the point.
If you don't look at the history then you will NEVER get the point!
The history is what has brought Israel and the Arabs to this. It started in 1948 the instant the state of Israel was formed/ The Arabs then attacked in 1967 and 1973.
I think Israel is entitled to defend itself in any way it chooses including pre-emptive strikes.
What would you have them do? Give up the land and go somewhere else?
"If you don't look at the history then you will NEVER get the point!" ...absolutely correct! :)(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Quote from: Caesar dude on November 24, 2012, 06:08:15 PM
QuoteI'm not sure that geting all embroiled up in history is really the point.
If you don't look at the history then you will NEVER get the point!
The history is what has brought Israel and the Arabs to this. It started in 1948 the instant the state of Israel was formed/ The Arabs then attacked in 1967 and 1973.
I think Israel is entitled to defend itself in any way it chooses including pre-emptive strikes.
What would you have them do? Give up the land and go somewhere else?
I'm not saying not to look at history, just that it's all too easy to become slaves to our own angle on history - just like the Catholics and Protestants did in Northern Ireland. People see history through the lens of their own resentments and fears whilst thinking that they are being objective. When both sides do this you are never going to get a solution. Living more in the present helped the Northern Irish communities see each other as people not so different from themselves. Palestinian Arabs are not at heart different from Israelis (in fact genetically they are almost identical).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus)
Quote from: BikerDude on November 26, 2012, 10:01:15 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus)
It's an interesting post in Wikipedia,
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And also notice that the
"Palestinian exodus" "occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian exodus in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War"In other words, the so-called "Palestinians" were running after trying to destroy the new state of Israel and were mostly fleeing after losing their war on Israel. When Israel was created, they, the "Palestinians" were offered FULL CITIZENSHIP and FULL FRANCHISE in the new country, (the one and ONLY democratic nation in that region) and turned it down in favor of war and violence.
THEY TURNED DOWN A CHANCE TO JOIN A DEMOCRATIC NATION AS FULL CITIZENS IN FAVOR OF MUSLIM DICTATORSHIPS. Not very bright!Many times civilians are forced to flee a location in the midst of war, especially one they are losing.
The Israelis did not drive them out, they left after losing their war with Israel. It was a disaster for the Arabs nations who then horded them in "refuge' camps" using them as cannon fodder for decades and into the 21st century, as terrorists and human shields.
The terrorists that were trying to destroy Israel at it's birth have used that "exodus" nonsense as a convenient lie and propaganda trying to fool the world into believing that Israel merely "took the land and mercilessly drove the Palestinians out."
Nothing could be further from the truth.Notice...The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba (Arabic: an-Nakbah, lit. "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"), occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian exodus in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.Also I would ask why didn't the so-called "Palestinians" make war on the Turks (Ottoman Empire) or the British when they ruled Palestine and the "Palestinians" were living their under their rule? Answer; because the Turks were not Jews, and even though disliked by the Arabs, neither were the British.
As soon as the
JEWS legally took control of their ancient homeland by UN mandate (Israel was created by a democratic vote in the UN in 1948), the Palestinians began a war against Israel (the legal government) with the aid of other Arab nations such as Egypt and Syria. The "Palestinians" lost and fled...
that is where the so-called "Palestinian exodus" came from. They were not arbitrarily, and for no legitimate reason, driven from Palestine.As always;
IMHO 8)
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Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want, but it won't get the situation any nearer to a reconcilliation. We have to get past fear and recrimination to find peace with our neighbours.
1.There used to be a country called Palestine.
2. It was where Israel is now.
3. Palestinians (who don't live there any more) are pissed.
I rarely like simplicity but sometimes a nutshell holds a lot.
Quote from: BikerDude on November 27, 2012, 01:00:30 PM
1.There used to be a country called Palestine.
I rarely like simplicity but sometimes a nutshell holds a lot.
8)
This dude would disagree...............
February 12, 2012
There Was Never a Country Called Palestine
By Jerrold L. Sobel
Please forget one of the great fallacies of our time: Israel did not steal Palestinian land. It's not Palestinians' land; it's never been their land;
it will never be their land. This land was given to the Jewish people... 8)
There Was Never a Country Called Palestine - http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/there_was_never_a_country_called_palestine.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/there_was_never_a_country_called_palestine.html)
This dude would disagree also................One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the "alien" Jews and "stolen" from the Arabs as a result of "imperialist machinations," was an independent state called "Palestine" whose majority residents were Moslem "Palestinians". Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.
The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called "Palestine," no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews. 8)
"PALESTINE" - Never an Arab Country - http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/never_arab.html (http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/never_arab.html)
1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Moslem Caliphs...
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- .
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 27, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want, but it won't get the situation any nearer to a reconcilliation. We have to get past fear and recrimination to find peace with our neighbours.
What does that even mean?
"Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want..." We are sympathizing here dude...with historic facts, referring to it as merely
"banging the same Israeli drum" doesn't add any information or make a point. :o
LOL!
There was a area which some silly people called Palestine. (Is that OK?)
People lived on it. They don't now.
They are pissed.
Quote from: BikerDude on November 27, 2012, 01:00:30 PM
1.There used to be a country called Palestine.
2. It was where Israel is now.
3. Palestinians (who don't live there any more) are pissed.
I rarely like simplicity but sometimes a nutshell holds a lot.
So you're saying the land-bone IS connected to the rocket-bone, right?
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 27, 2012, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 27, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want, but it won't get the situation any nearer to a reconcilliation. We have to get past fear and recrimination to find peace with our neighbours.
What does that even mean? "Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want..." We are sympathizing here dude...with historic facts, referring to it as merely "banging the same Israeli drum" doesn't add any information or make a point. :o
It means that you seem to be flying in from a pretty heavy anti-arab angle dude. I aint got no beef with arabs or jews, just because I have an issue with some bits of Isreali government policy doesn't mean I'm antisemiotic or anything. I just don't see how we can increase the peace whilst we hold dominion over the Palestinian (as the old song goes).
Pissed dude? Are you sure.Many of them are Muslims.
Pissed on what?
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 27, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 27, 2012, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 27, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want, but it won't get the situation any nearer to a reconcilliation. We have to get past fear and recrimination to find peace with our neighbours.
What does that even mean? "Sure dude just keep banging the same Israeli drum if you want..." We are sympathizing here dude...with historic facts, referring to it as merely "banging the same Israeli drum" doesn't add any information or make a point. :o
It means that you seem to be flying in from a pretty heavy anti-arab angle dude. I aint got no beef with arabs or jews, just because I have an issue with some bits of Isreali government policy doesn't mean I'm antisemiotic or anything. I just don't see how we can increase the peace whilst we hold dominion over the Palestinian (as the old song goes).
"It means that you seem to be flying in from a pretty heavy anti-arab angle dude."Not at all, I just enjoy historic truth, and not the bullshit propaganda coming from organizations like hamas and other terrorist organizations, not to mention those who have turned islam into their personal "join us or die" campaign and make a sick mockery of one of the world's great religions, one that was at peace with the rest of the world for centuries.
Now, a good portion of islam is being lead by nose by a relatively small part of islam who are radical, insane, murderers, and are hell bent on killing all Jews and forcing islam on the rest of world. Think I'm crazy? Thank again; go talk to anyone, as an example, in Britain about their muslim problem.
Also, a religion and people that didn't give a damn about the land of Israel until the Jews moved BACK to their historic land and became a reason for insane Jew haters to try and destroy them. You really need to understand the history of that region and of the so-called "Palestinians."
It would seem that you have bought the lies and propaganda, dude. :o
As always...IMHO 8)
Yeah - looks like I fell for the lies and propaganda. I'm such an idiot sometimes. Sorry about that dude. I now realise what cunts the Palestinians really are.
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 28, 2012, 04:04:03 AM
Yeah - looks like I fell for the lies and propaganda. I'm such an idiot sometimes. Sorry about that dude. I now realise what cunts the Palestinians really are.
This our concern, dude. 8) No harm intended, dude, just like my opinion, man.
I like rice krispy treats.
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Quoteone that was at peace with the rest of the world for centuries
Really DB? My understanding is that Islam was propagated by the sword, and has *always* been based on violence. The Koran (Quran?) tells Muslims to go to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some say to chop off heads and fingers, and kill "infidels". Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Peaceful?
Quote from: Hominid on November 28, 2012, 08:40:52 AM
Quoteone that was at peace with the rest of the world for centuries
Really DB? My understanding is that Islam was propagated by the sword, and has *always* been based on violence. The Koran (Quran?) tells Muslims to go to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some say to chop off heads and fingers, and kill "infidels". Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Peaceful?
You are correct, no doubt about it; but in recent modern times, islam has been more or less at peace with the world (hell, why not, we buy all of their oil). There has always been the radical nut cases that want to kill anyone that doesn't ride their camel, but we didn't see this very recent (last few years) global upsurge of violent uber radical ugly islamic militancy spurred on by the jihadist morons trying to take over any country they can, and yes, by the sword.
Quote from: BikerDude on November 28, 2012, 08:25:39 AM
I like rice krispy treats.
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You're fortunate; the rest of the world who liked Twinkies is out of luck! ;D
Now to cap off this thread; we need Hominid dude to post his famous "VAGINA!" ;D(http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Ahem....
V A G I N A ! ! ! ! ! !
Very well put
Fuckin' eh! ;D
Very interesting...
Rabbi Kahane on a Palestinian State - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bk8d-eXL9Rw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bk8d-eXL9Rw#)!
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on November 28, 2012, 04:04:03 AM
Yeah - looks like I fell for the lies and propaganda. I'm such an idiot sometimes. Sorry about that dude. I now realise what cunts the Palestinians really are.
Dude, you might be right, they might just be real assholes........
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Extreme Rambling by Mark Thomas. Excellent perspective dudes.He meets the ordinary and less ordinary people on both sides of the fence.I recommend it to any one with an interest.Amazon should have it.
The facts...
Palestine is a name coined by the Romans around 135 CE from the name of a seagoing Aegean people who settled on the coast of Canaan in antiquity ? the Philistines. The name was chosen to replace Judea, as a sign that Jewish sovereignty had been eradicated following the Jewish Revolts against Rome.
In the course of time, the Latin name Philistia was further bastardized into Palistina or Palestine. Palestine was never a sovereign independent Arab state belonging to any people, nor did a Palestinian people distinct from other Arabs appear during 1,300 years of Muslim hegemony in Palestine under Arab and Ottoman rule.
Historically, before the Arabs fabricated the concept of Palestinian peoplehood as an exclusively Arab phenomenon, no such group existed. This is substantiated in countless official British Mandate-vintage documents that speak of the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine - not Jews and Palestinians.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 30, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
The facts...
Palestine is a name coined by the Romans around 135 CE from the name of a seagoing Aegean people who settled on the coast of Canaan in antiquity ? the Philistines. The name was chosen to replace Judea, as a sign that Jewish sovereignty had been eradicated following the Jewish Revolts against Rome.
In the course of time, the Latin name Philistia was further bastardized into Palistina or Palestine. Palestine was never a sovereign independent Arab state belonging to any people, nor did a Palestinian people distinct from other Arabs appear during 1,300 years of Muslim hegemony in Palestine under Arab and Ottoman rule.
Historically, before the Arabs fabricated the concept of Palestinian peoplehood as an exclusively Arab phenomenon, no such group existed. This is substantiated in countless official British Mandate-vintage documents that speak of the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine - not Jews and Palestinians.
WikiDB!!!!
Quote from: Hominid on November 30, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 30, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
The facts...
Palestine is a name coined by the Romans around 135 CE from the name of a seagoing Aegean people who settled on the coast of Canaan in antiquity ? the Philistines. The name was chosen to replace Judea, as a sign that Jewish sovereignty had been eradicated following the Jewish Revolts against Rome.
In the course of time, the Latin name Philistia was further bastardized into Palistina or Palestine. Palestine was never a sovereign independent Arab state belonging to any people, nor did a Palestinian people distinct from other Arabs appear during 1,300 years of Muslim hegemony in Palestine under Arab and Ottoman rule.
Historically, before the Arabs fabricated the concept of Palestinian peoplehood as an exclusively Arab phenomenon, no such group existed. This is substantiated in countless official British Mandate-vintage documents that speak of the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine - not Jews and Palestinians.
WikiDB!!!!
8) Geeee, I wonder what the "Palestinians" would do if a dude wanted to join their ranks as a Fundamentalist Christian Supporter of Israel (yeah, there are few of those around), AND, wanted to move to "Palestine" calling himself a "Palestinian." OOPS! That would shake up a few turbans I bet! LOL ;D
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