Gun Control explained ;D
Mark it eight! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ptFVq22PY&NR=1&feature=endscreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ptFVq22PY&NR=1&feature=endscreen)
Yeah,I mark it an 8 too!
Have you seen Penn & Tellers gun control videos?
I got links,if ya wants...
Watching that,I saw links to cools stuff,and...2 human paraquat's jumped out at me!
Rosie O Donnell,and Micheal Moore! :-\
The issue of police carrying guns came up in the uk recently after 2 police women were shot dead on a "routine" call out. It's a vicious circle dudes and not an easy one to argue
A cop recently shot a blind bloke in the back because he thought the white stick was a katana.Just as well it was only a tazer he was using.
Yeah I read about that. There had been reports of a nutter with a sword and they mistook his white cane.
It's easy to criticise the police but everyone gets scared regardless of training and you can just make the wrong decision
not any easy topic,dudes...Rosie O Donnel wants our guns,but the bitch has armed security..So does Michel Moore..
Brad Pitt came out pro-gun,and got raped in the media..
Dial 911..help is only a few minutes away...response time for me is 7-to 15 minutes,and I live a mile or so away from the cop shop...fuck you..Im keeping my guns! ;D
Quote from: Stever on November 01, 2012, 03:28:40 AM
not any easy topic,dudes...Rosie O Donnel wants our guns,but the bitch has armed security..So does Michel Moore..
Brad Pitt came out pro-gun,and got raped in the media..
Dial 911..help is only a few minutes away...response time for me is 7-to 15 minutes,and I live a mile or so away from the cop shop...fuck you..Im keeping my guns! ;D
My answer to the strumpets like Rosie O Donnel and undudes like Michel Moore.............
Amendment II, The Constitution of the United States of America
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. ... shall not be infringed!The Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the land; any attempt to violate it is a high crime, potentially treason and punishable. IMHO, it is high time anyone caught in an attempt and/or conspiracy to thwart any clause or any amendment which as been lawfully included in The Constitution should be indited, convicted and properly punished. Take heed Rosie O Donnel, Michel Moore, Barbara Boxer, Diane Finstien, Gun Control, Inc. and others who would tread on my rights; I agree, fuck you.
But you know, it's funny...........(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/2659/70196.jpg)
As always,
IMHDO 8)
Well said!!
And the experts on gun control have not been very dude-like..I want that for a poster!
Or better yet,a fucking billboard!
As a limey I don't get that the constitution hasn't been modernised. I can understand the right to have a gun when it was originally drawn up but now it seems outdated. Is owning a gun really that important for everyday life in America?
I'm not trying to piss on your rug here guys, hell I'm a good shot and was a member of a rifle club at uni and did enjoy it greatly but feel no need to have a gun.
The Constitution was written to make it difficult to update or modernize. In law school we learned that was done on purpose. That's when you get into discussions, debates, and arguments about the interpretation of it.
Muskets dude, muskets.What if you miss? Dude,if you can't shoot straight,should you be shooting at all? Hell, why not just nuke the fucking neighbourhood? It seems to me that if you can emancipate the chattels then adjusting the regulations on firelocks.............and one other thing dudes,doesn't this rule apply to a well regulated militia? And isn't the militia the National Guard? Honest questions dudes, so take 'er easy.
Quote from: milnie on November 01, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
I can understand the right to have a gun when it was originally drawn up but now it seems outdated. Is owning a gun really that important for everyday life in America?
Outdated? When were these people all in power (see below)? Answer; The last few years. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is just as important today as the day it was penned. I say again...........
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Quote from: Zen Dog on November 01, 2012, 06:04:12 PM
Muskets dude, muskets.What if you miss? Dude,if you can't shoot straight,should you be shooting at all? Hell, why not just nuke the fucking neighbourhood? It seems to me that if you can emancipate the chattels then adjusting the regulations on firelocks.............and one other thing dudes,doesn't this rule apply to a well regulated militia? And isn't the militia the National Guard? Honest questions dudes, so take 'er easy.
It's that all important comma that bugs the shit out of gun control fanatics.
Notice...
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state COMMA the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.The comma indicates two SEPARATE thoughts;
1.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state. This is stating the purpose of owning weapons (besides self defense), without a
"well regulated militia" a free state is in serious jeopardy from outside or inside attack.
2. In order to have a
"well regulated militia" THE PEOPLE must
"keep and bear arms." In other words, the arms are in the hands of the people, not some central government location, so that NO government, foreign or domestic, can take the freedom and liberty from the people because they, the government, control the arms. In other words; in order to have a viable effective well regulated militia of the people (notice it does NOT say a "government regulated militia), THE PEOPLE are to control the weapons personally. That is only common sense.
3. It was well understood at the time of the creation of the US Constitution that the people would be free to own, possess and bear arms.
Rosie O Donnel can mark it zero and go fuck herself.
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...IMHDO 8)
Quote from: Masked Dude on November 01, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
The Constitution was written to make it difficult to update or modernize. In law school we learned that was done on purpose. That's when you get into discussions, debates, and arguments about the interpretation of it.
That is very true; it's hard to change it so that it will be stable from generation to generation.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 01, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: milnie on November 01, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
I can understand the right to have a gun when it was originally drawn up but now it seems outdated. Is owning a gun really that important for everyday life in America?
Outdated? When were these people all in power (see below)? Answer; The last few years. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is just as important today as the day it was penned. I say again...........
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Yes, but none of them lived in the USA. domestic gun control has got fuck all to do with dictators in other contries. your constitution was written at a time when the right to bear arms was a critical part of daily life due to the lawlessness and harsh living conditions in a large part of the USA. why the fuck do you (plural dude, not just DB) need a gun now, sitting in your cosy condo, drinking white russians, food delivered to your door? is it for snakes and what not? by a mongoose!
Fair enough.But does that mean that you are all in the militia? Like in Switzerland? If not, shouldn't 'is necessary' be substituted for 'being necessary', and the comma changed to a full stop? Then what you are saying would make more sense.
Sorry to sound pedantic but I've been a union rep and railway management are very good at setting semantic traps so I learned to read the small print a long time ago.
I've no idea who Rosie.O.Donnel is.
The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny.
Disarming the people is the first step of tyranny.
Outdated?
Outmoded?
Should the 2nd amendment be stricken from the Constitution?
I say not,for if that freedom is taken away,it will pave the way for more freedoms to be taken away,such as the right of free speech,which allows us to have this debate.
Thats,like my opinion,man.
Quote from: milnie on November 02, 2012, 04:33:46 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 01, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: milnie on November 01, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
I can understand the right to have a gun when it was originally drawn up but now it seems outdated. Is owning a gun really that important for everyday life in America?
Outdated? When were these people all in power (see below)? Answer; The last few years. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is just as important today as the day it was penned. I say again...........
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/2659/70196.jpg)
Yes, but none of them lived in the USA. domestic gun control has got fuck all to do with dictators in other contries. your constitution was written at a time when the right to bear arms was a critical part of daily life due to the lawlessness and harsh living conditions in a large part of the USA. why the fuck do you (plural dude, not just DB) need a gun now, sitting in your cosy condo, drinking white russians, food delivered to your door? is it for snakes and what not? by a mongoose!
"Yes, but none of them lived in the USA."You just made my point! NONE OF THEM are in the United States, You're damn right! Neither could they survive in the United States doing what those assholes did; that doesn't mean, however, that assholes like them are not here in the United States AND kept from doing what they did by our basic rights, man. Among them the right to keep and bare arms. And, if you will notice; Keeping and baring arms is a RIGHT, not a privilege.
It's like one dude, a feller wiser than myself, once said
"I don't trust any government that doesn't trust it's people to own and bare arms." (http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9789/guncontrol72.jpg)
Like I said, mang..............
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Quote from: Stever on November 02, 2012, 07:19:42 AM
The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny.
Disarming the people is the first step of tyranny.
Outdated?
Outmoded?
Should the 2nd amendment be stricken from the Constitution?
I say not,for if that freedom is taken away,it will pave the way for more freedoms to be taken away,such as the right of free speech,which allows us to have this debate.
Thats,like my opinion,man.
"The right of the people to be armed is the last defense against tyranny."
Fucking eh!! :)
It's not so much the issue of past, present, or future. The founders wanted a country where the government is afraid of the people, never the other way around. True, we vote away rights, but we can have a bloodless coup d'etat every 4 years.
Do idiots abuse guns? Sure. But no human needs a gun to be an abusive shithead. The reason it's the second is that the rights in the first (and associated penumbral rights) should be defendable by the second.
The majority of armed citizens are responsible and safe with firearms. Don't let kneejerk stories make you think there are hordes of gun-toting fucknuts destroying Happytown.
Quote from: Masked Dude on November 02, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
It's not so much the issue of past, present, or future. The founders wanted a country where the government is afraid of the people, never the other way around. True, we vote away rights, but we can have a bloodless coup d'etat every 4 years.
Do idiots abuse guns? Sure. But no human needs a gun to be an abusive shithead. The reason it's the second is that the rights in the first (and associated penumbral rights) should be defendable by the second.
The majority of armed citizens are responsible and safe with firearms. Don't let kneejerk stories make you think there are hordes of gun-toting fucknuts destroying Happytown.
Well said, dude. (http://dudeism.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)
I have found this debate very interesting and enlightening for an English perspective and it's taken until now for me to get a handle on why the whole issue makes me feel uncomfortable.You see, having been in the military,6yrs RN,10 yrs RAuxAF I know the level of training required to handle a weapon safely.Which is why the thought of an untrained person just being able to go to a shop and buy an automatic weapon over the counter fills me with dread.
I understand your feelings exactly,dude,but from my personal experience,I am more trained,and qualified to handle a weapon than any police officer I have ever encountered!
I have stood in a police "ready room",its floors,walls,and ceiling riddled with bullet holes,all from those officers fumbling with sidearms!
I have called 911,after being attacked,and shot at,stabbed,the UNARMED victim,nearly shot by the police,arrested briefly..
I have been pulled over my my local police,for having SNOW ON MY LICENSE PLATE,and ordered from my car at gunpoint for this horrible crime..do I trust the police to PROTECT me? NO..Do I fear the police? YES!
My training with guns began at around the age of 8 or 9-I was trained by my father( bless him),who taught me weapons the way he was taught in the army.
Safety,and the utmost respect,and no loss of focus is required.
Too many police officers wear guns,the same way I would wear a hat,almost as some sort of an accessory to their uniform,and are vastly untrained,and unqualified to handle a weapon.
The gun owners I know can not only out shoot them,but know more about the weapons than the average cop will ever know.
There are a lot of untrained,fuck-nuts buying guns,and I,and others,will do our best to take them aside,and give them the help they badly need,to be safe,and responsible-that is about all we can do.
I mean no disrespect to you,sir,and I fully understand your dread..I feel it too..I would like to see some sort of training course to be completed before the purchase of a weapon.
Some folks,sadly,can not be trusted,even with a butter knife,and would need this training,to take on the responsibility of owning a gun. 8)
My thing is that typically (although not always) people that buy guns in the states are responsible. The problem mostly lies in the fact that criminals aren't responsible with firearms. The only people gun control laws help are criminals. To be honest, I would hope every one of my neighbors have a gun. I spent time in the military so obviously I can handle one but I also grew up in a rural area where hunting is a big deal. So firearms are treated with respect. Should there be a training for those that need it, you bet. The problem is that phrase "Guns kill people" is used and is false. Guns don't kill. Criminals and ignorant and inexperienced people kill people. Just my opinion man.
Amen!
I had to add this-something I was not aware of until I went to my local store..
There is now a 3 day waiting period,and the same paperwork,and all for BLACK POWDER GUNS!
WTF?..When was the last time someone robbed,or shot anyone with a fucking FLINTLOCK,or cap and ball gun?...dude..you cant even get a flintlock KIT gun,that you gotta finish,and put together,without major hassle.I think my state ( IL) has gone over the line,man!
Now that is ironic.It is relatively easy to get a shotgun licence in this country although it will take more than 3 days.But talking of black powder,a shotgun licence is all you need to own a musket.We have a lot of historic reenactors here of all periods but the second most popular is the ACW (after the ECW) and they have no bother at all providing you haven't got a record.On the face of it the enthusiasm may seem strange but it's a fact that 12,000 volunteers went to America to join in.Dr Livingstones son was killed in action and Stanley who was Welsh fought on both sides.
I think I am going to buy a tank...less paperwork,dude!
Well..you cant roll on the streets,but you can legally buy some sweet armored vehicle..I saw a 6 wheeled black,fully armored swat vehicle that you could buy...why are things like that for sale to any fuck-nut with a credit card?
Imagine the holy fuck damage some nut could do with that!
Just sayin...
A mate of mine owns several.Another enthusiast.You need a shotgun licence for them would you believe but thats all.Don't even require road tax as they are classed as tractors.Although you need a second mortgage just to start the engine.They are very thirsty.
I hear about 6 miles per gallon of gas... :-[ but you will look pretty cool,though! ;)
ah, just got your meaning now DB about none of the dick-tators being in the USA. i would point out there are plenty of countries where firearm ownership is not widely done and there haven't been any dictators for quite a while - look at australia, and they were all criminals originally ;)
anyhoo, to move matters along ... Lemmy has a tank! its an old german WWII one i think. He's a bit of a Nazi memorabilia collector
Quote from: milnie on November 05, 2012, 06:21:56 PM
ah, just got your meaning now DB about none of the dick-tators being in the USA. i would point out there are plenty of countries where firearm ownership is not widely done and there haven't been any dictators for quite a while - look at australia, and they were all criminals originally ;)
anyhoo, to move matters along ... Lemmy has a tank! its an old german WWII one i think. He's a bit of a Nazi memorabilia collector
Every part of the world is different. Take a look at Israel (heavily armed); they have to be or face guaranteed destruction and death. If the Jews of Germany would have been well armed and organized, hitler would not have been able to do what the asshole did in the 40's.
Yeah they get dumped on from all sides. Role on star treks society dude,
Nazi memorabilia collectors can come under fire from people too,in our politically correct society,too,as anti-semitic...just sayin..
Whats cool is I hear they are still pulling old tanks out of the muck in many countries,and they are still capable of running!
German engineering at its finest!
Anyways..isnt Australia the place where they are banning everything,from guns,to knives,to slingshots?
Thats fucked up,cause then,how do the people defend themselves against the fucking HUGE bugs,and shit they have there?
Getting back to the jews of germany..I agree-the people were disarmed,and then fucked..my mother grew up in nazi germany,dude,and many people just..vanished..,including my uncle-NOT a nazi,just a dude who refused to fly the nazi flag (my uncle was the mayor of a small town),and a righteous dude,in my book.
Let us also not forget "the good guys",the Americans,and the Russians..my mother was nearly raped by "the good guys"..Interesting but of history-Hitler made a study of the genocide of the American Indians,and used what he learned to "modernize"it,and apply it to his rule..history repeats itself in many bad things,man..Stay armed,stay free!
Just saw the the History of the US on PBS.Now I know why you all need to own guns.
;D Yeah, we don't like rolling out naked.............
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Yeah,mang! just put up your "gun-free zone" signs,and sleep safe! :o
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on November 01, 2012, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: Zen Dog on November 01, 2012, 06:04:12 PM
Muskets dude, muskets.What if you miss? Dude,if you can't shoot straight,should you be shooting at all? Hell, why not just nuke the fucking neighbourhood? It seems to me that if you can emancipate the chattels then adjusting the regulations on firelocks.............and one other thing dudes,doesn't this rule apply to a well regulated militia? And isn't the militia the National Guard? Honest questions dudes, so take 'er easy.
It's that all important comma that bugs the shit out of gun control fanatics. Notice...
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state COMMA the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The comma indicates two SEPARATE thoughts;
1. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state. This is stating the purpose of owning weapons (besides self defense), without a "well regulated militia" a free state is in serious jeopardy from outside or inside attack.
2. In order to have a "well regulated militia" THE PEOPLE must "keep and bear arms." In other words, the arms are in the hands of the people, not some central government location, so that NO government, foreign or domestic, can take the freedom and liberty from the people because they, the government, control the arms. In other words; in order to have a viable effective well regulated militia of the people (notice it does NOT say a "government regulated militia), THE PEOPLE are to control the weapons personally. That is only common sense.
3. It was well understood at the time of the creation of the US Constitution that the people would be free to own, possess and bear arms.
Rosie O Donnel can mark it zero and go fuck herself.
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...IMHDO 8)
Well said sir,and to all the gun grabbing cocksukers who live in secure utopian enclaves,I live in what the political correct pukes like to call a transitional neighborhood.It is my duty and ingrained genetic man code to protect my family.Being a firefighter i've seen lots of folk shot and killed waiting on police response.This is not to criticize police they are spread thin and some dumb ass departments have SOP's that mandate they wait on a swat team.Being away from home on 24 hour shifts I have trained my wife to be proficient in both shotgun and pistol so she will have a fighting chance if the need arises.This my friend is the fucking reality in America i'm in the streets seeing this happen,And I'll be God damed if some slick headed Washington suit wearing out of touch with reality dick thinks he will take this right from me.The criminal pukes will always be armed the only thing that keeps those vermin at bay is the possibility of a gun behind every door.
@galleta loco...
Mark it ten! Your words are gold, Sir! And galleta loco dude, welcome to the land of Dudetopia and beach community. Grab a rug and abide, dude. Bars over there.
And I add...
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
- Patrick Henry
First off..you are a firefighter-let me thank you right now,for going out there every day,and putting your life on the line!
If I were in charge of anything,your salary would be equal to,if not more than any MLB,or NFL palyer!
I just had to put that out there-thank you for what you do!
As for everything else you posted,you rolled a strike!
Behind my door is a gun,and behind that gun is another gun...shit happens..I do NOT live in a gated community,with police patrols.
The only time I ever see a cop,is if some shit goes down.
What should I do? call 911,and ask the scumbag that just broke down my door to please wait,until the cops come?
Get real...
Oh,and by the by,Cook county (Chicago) just passed some shit that now puts a 25 dollar tax on every gun sold...Im sure that will really put a huge dent in the crime rate around here..fucking liberal morons have no understanding of logic,facts,or common sense,and I invite any of them to come on down,and live in the real fucking world.
Well I hadn't realised just how wild the wild west still seems to be.I thought it was just in the movies.You all must love going to war,it's safer.Makes me understand just how fortunate I am living this side of the damp patch.Peace dudes and keep your powder dry.
"All love going to war"LOL nope just love the freedom of being able to should the need arise.How sad it must have been when the murdering mutherfuckin devil dogs crossed the damp patch to liberate Europe i can tell you from talking to my family members who were "over there"none loved it ,unless they were hip deep in tea and strumpets ;D
We dont like going to war,its mainly the powers that be that have us go to war.
The only war I can think of of the top of my head that I would call justified was world war 2.
"Well I hadn't realised just how wild the wild west still seems to be.I thought it was just in the movies."
Huh?
"You all must love going to war,it's safer"
What?
Dude,those 2 statements seem to be ill-informed,and also insulting.
Our problem is our government seems to like war-mongering,and removing the personal freedoms of the "sheeple",in the name of "Homeland security"
Would we be better off with monarchy?..Oh,wait..we already have a king..Obama..,who,if I am not very much mistaken,has treated the Brits like dirt.
Dudes, didn't mean to wind you up.But from the direction this thread is heading and from the perspective of a non gun owning culture it just seems to me that 'ironically' you may currently be safer in downtown Baghdad than downtown LA.As for elections,at least you know who to blame when things are cocked up.You get to vote for a personality.We just vote for our local rep.He gets to vote for the party leader who may become Prime Minister.Party leaders can change mid term (Gordon Brown replaced Tony Blair) no election required.The Queen has as much influence on the direction of the country as the figurehead on an old sailing ship does on the direction the captain wants to go.As for O'Bama being a bit dismissive,well that's nothing new.Foreign policy doesn't have friends,only interests.We will always be eternally grateful for the aid and assistance in our hour of need (sorry about the Whitehouse) but we only finished paying you back 5 years ago.This morning, I, along with thousands of veterans attended parades up and down the country to remember the fallen.No politics.I hope your day went well.
Well,dude,I am still in post-election shock..
obama being dismissive,yeah..that bugs me,to treat an ally that way,as if the USA single-handedly saved the world lol
24 hours after re-election,obama pushes to re-start the UN global gun ban...
24 hours after re-election,gun sales are up by 68 per cent...SIXTY EIGHT PERCENT!
Thats gotta be a record,and it indicates just how fucking happy we are,and what direction we are headed. Bummer,dude.
Dude,when I was in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force I worked at the Royal International Air Tattoo,RIAT, (RAF Fairford, a US Air base) for several years running.You may not believe what went on after the public went home.Your Air National Guard, our equivalent,the last I encountered being from Nashville were always great company and we always presented a united front in the bar.Politicians are in it for themselves but those who truly serve know how the land lies and who they can rely on.
I'm not trying to wind people up here dudes but America didn't win wwii. The allies did which America played a big part in and we are all thankful but it also came down to hitler deciding to fight Russia as well. If they had focused on the west and left Russia alone for a while longer it may have all gone differently.
My problem is the tendency if Hollywood to portray it otherwise and a lot of people's understanding comes from watching movies so ...
Self aggrandisement is very undudely imdo
Some of those Brits,and Aussies were balls-out amazing!
Hey,dude,what about the Gurkhas? Those dudes....my god,what a fighting force!
I watched closely,as Joanna Lumley got involved in the Gurkha Justice Campaign,and found out more about the Gurkhas.
Lets remember all these heroes,who all fought together against the very un-dude Nazis!
Im moving over to the great dudes in history forum now,to vote for Joanna Lumley.
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Yeah, well. I was trying to avoid the Hollywood bullshit fiction crap.For a whole lot of political reasons the U S may have joined in late but that didn't stop Americans getting involved personaly.They had a large contingent in the Spanish Civil War and when the 2nd world war kicked off there was enough of them to form their own (Eagle) squadron in the RAF.Many joined Canadian regiments too.Their losses in the pacific were comparable to ours on the Somme.I believe Americans suffer from their media and sometimes they seem a bit gungho but shit, they are just us on a different planet.In my opinion they are good old boys and I will drink with them any day.
Are you kiddin'? This guy would be on a serious disciplinary charge.Have you seen the colour of his socks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCJBhT28d4&feature=colike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCJBhT28d4&feature=colike)