These dudes were called beats in that time period, but its basically the same thing.
They started it all...in my opinion.
"On the Road" was THE book....woke me up and made me wanna live.
It was because of that book that I am who I am and have had the experiences I've had.
They started the whole hippie revolution man that was eventually shut down by the CIA and FBI,
and all the right wingers and we are still living in a right wing world today, as sad as that is.
And we are suffering the consequences, creativity is dead, individualism is dead, intellectuals are no more, there is no more counterculture, there is no more music, there is no more original thought.
And not only that, but the good music, and the works of genius like On the Road, are still not recognized, are being forgotten, and pushed out of history. Kids today know nothing of this, they only know shitty generic mass-produced music and tv and books and there is no spark of life in anything anymore, no real thought, nothing. Its all dead.
Ok, before I kill myself, what was I saying....well yeah...anyway....thats just my opinion man.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/treeper_2006/KerouacCassidy.jpg)
Maybe Jack Keroauc was the only writer with the ability to transalate the Jazz and the improvisations in words.
And i'm agree with you "On the road" is a artwork.
Just look at him, with the cigarrette, pure actitude.
(http://www3.wittenberg.edu/rdavis/kerouac.gif)
For me, the Jack Kerouac book that opened my mind the most was The Dharma Bums. It made me think about my spirituality, and without realizing it, shaped my outlook into more of a Dudeist, and less uptight thinking
Dude, Dharma Bums is definitely one of my all-time favorites.
Quote from: Turtle on June 25, 2008, 02:32:28 AM
These dudes were called beats in that time period, but its basically the same thing.
They started it all...in my opinion.
"On the Road" was THE book....woke me up and made me wanna live.
It was because of that book that I am who I am and have had the experiences I've had.
They started the whole hippie revolution man that was eventually shut down by the CIA and FBI,
and all the right wingers and we are still living in a right wing world today, as sad as that is.
And we are suffering the consequences, creativity is dead, individualism is dead, intellectuals are no more, there is no more counterculture, there is no more music, there is no more original thought.
And not only that, but the good music, and the works of genius like On the Road, are still not recognized, are being forgotten, and pushed out of history. Kids today know nothing of this, they only know shitty generic mass-produced music and tv and books and there is no spark of life in anything anymore, no real thought, nothing. Its all dead.
Ok, before I kill myself, what was I saying....well yeah...anyway....thats just my opinion man.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/treeper_2006/KerouacCassidy.jpg)
I think they're Dudeist compeers, definitely. Kerouac doesn't come off all that well in Electric Koolaid Acid Test (kind of like a fucking reactionary) and his ultimate demise was very un-Dude, it seems to me. Still, everything you say about his Beat days is true Dudeist to me. Didn't Kesey write an unflattering piece on Cassady some years after the Prankster days? Kind of portrayed him as a conman? I didn't read the piece, so I don't know.
Either way, though, they both definitely furthured the Dudeist cause as far as I'm concerned.
You know I read Electric Kool Aid Acid Test many years ago, and I cant remember what Wolfe had to say about Kerouac, I just remember that the book tried to document the experiences of the merry pranksters.
Cassidy was a con-man for sure, and Kerouac was undoubtedly infatuated and infected by him because he had that resistance to submission, he refused to be tamed. He treated all of civilization, all of culture, all of the culture's ethos and moral standards....as merely another con on a larger scale....he didnt answer to anybody but himself...and thats why he was great, conman or not.
And now look at society, who isn't a conman? Shit, you can't walk into a measly cell phone store without being accosted by at least 2 or 3 conmen or conwomen. And whats worse is that they dont even know what they are...because they are who they are because they have yielded themselves to the standards of the presiding culture . Cassidy was timeless, he followed his own path.
Get stoned and stair at Kerouac's art..........hopefully it will deeply vaginal.
Quote from: Turtle on June 29, 2008, 06:14:42 PM
You know I read Electric Kool Aid Acid Test many years ago, and I cant remember what Wolfe had to say about Kerouac, I just remember that the book tried to document the experiences of the merry pranksters.
It was a brief moment in the book, where Ginsberg brought Kesey and Kerouac together at a party. It's been a while since I read the book, but I remember it being an awkward moment between them. Kerouac wasn't into the acid scene, I think, and I seem to remember he got pissed at one of the pranksters for being disrespectful to a US flag? I don't know for certain about the flag part, but I know Kerouac wasn't into the whole prankster thing. Which is cool.
Ah. Here's something:
Significantly, in New York (the Pranksters) encountered, among others, Jack Kerouac, who was completely put off by the Pranksters' appearance and habitus; in particular, the ardent patriot (Kerouac in his youth in Lowell, Massachusetts, had spoken the French Canadian dialect his parents had used at home) resented the Pranksters' abuse of the flag...
http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/KeseyPrs.htm
"habitus"?
Yeah I think I remember that now.
I can see how Kerouac would see the pranksters as
wacked out children, I mean they were from different generations.
Quote from: Turtle on June 30, 2008, 08:57:17 PM
Yeah I think I remember that now.
I can see how Kerouac would see the pranksters as
wacked out children, I mean they were from different generations.
In a sense, yes. Kerouac's art has been commended as being strongly vaginal. Which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.
( ;D and if you crazy fucks don't get my post, then I want to know.........Is this your homework, Larry? ....Dude, please!... Is this your fucking homework, Larry? Go watch the fucking movie, man, and report back to us after you study Kerouac's art and Maude's art.)
That's just, like, my opinion, man.