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Title: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
In the basement of an Islamic seminary, young children were freed in a police raid... they were beaten till they bled, and were chained to the walls.

How's that for religion people?  >:(

Story here: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/13/police-raid-in-pakistan-finds-chained-students-at-religious-school/?iref=allsearch
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Landshark on December 14, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
I lost the article and I can't even remember if I found it on here or not. Within the past few weeks in Saudi Arabia a woman was beheaded for practicing witchcraft.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: meekon5 on December 14, 2011, 05:32:49 PM
Saw this on the news last night.

Much like the "Satanic" child abuse sects, I think it's people using the trimmings to get their jollies rather than an aspect of the religion.

The supposedly "Satanic" groups use the props to scare and control the kids, I think it's the same sort of thing here. People using Islam to get the control they want of kids again.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 14, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
As much as I respect the beliefs of people's religious views, I have to say that the world needs to do what ever it has to do to rid the planet of islamic extremists and sharia law. Sharia law, and I mention it because it was probably activity by these muslims based on sharia law, has to be internationally outlawed and considered a crime against humanity.

I hope the human paraquat assholes running the school do hard time is some Pakistan shit hole of a jail. One can only hope so.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on December 14, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
As much as I respect the beliefs of people's religious views, I have to say that the world needs to do what ever it has to do to rid the planet of islamic extremists and sharia law. Sharia law, and I mention it because it was probably activity by these muslims based on sharia law, has to be internationally outlawed and considered a crime against humanity.

I hope the human paraquat assholes running the school do hard time is some Pakistan shit hole of a jail. One can only hope so.
Totally with you dude. I read today that rape victims are jailed, and the men get away with it. Wow. Just... wow...
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Landshark on December 14, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
I just hear that Presidential hopeful rick Santorum would support racial profiling in the United States.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: Landshark on December 14, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
I just hear that Presidential hopeful rick Santorum would support racial profiling in the United States.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 14, 2011, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on December 14, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
As much as I respect the beliefs of people's religious views, I have to say that the world needs to do what ever it has to do to rid the planet of islamic extremists and sharia law. Sharia law, and I mention it because it was probably activity by these muslims based on sharia law, has to be internationally outlawed and considered a crime against humanity.

I hope the human paraquat assholes running the school do hard time is some Pakistan shit hole of a jail. One can only hope so.
Totally with you dude. I read today that rape victims are jailed, and the men get away with it. Wow. Just... wow...

There was a case in iran where several men had raped a TEENAGED GIRL, they were convicted in a sharia court and given a short jail sentenced that was suspended because they had "promised to not do it again," meanwhile, the young girl was sentenced to death by hanging by the judge for adultery EVEN THOUGH the judge knew she was raped. Being raped didn't matter, trying to defend themselves was "attempted murder;" she was still found guilty of "adultery or behavior incompatible with Chasity." The judge, to be sure the sentence was carried out, went to the town where she was to be hanged to make sure it happened; she was hung as the judged watched and declared it "the will of allah." She was 17. FUCKING 17!! ....and a rape victim!

Story here - http://www.iranfocus.com/en/?option=com_content&task=view&id=5183 (http://www.iranfocus.com/en/?option=com_content&task=view&id=5183)

Here are some similar reports-

 http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/swank010906.htm (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/swank010906.htm)

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/14yr-old-rape-victim-beaten-to-death-by-islamic-court/ (http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/14yr-old-rape-victim-beaten-to-death-by-islamic-court/)
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 03:56:52 AM
Why isn't this shit outlawed and punished? I don't get it. The word "travesty" isn't adequate...
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 15, 2011, 04:15:21 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 03:56:52 AM
Why isn't this shit outlawed and punished? I don't get it. The word "travesty" isn't adequate...

Good question; as in the case of that fucking asshole of a "judge" who needs to be indited, tried and hung! Problem is that the international court at The Hague has no authority to execute people guilty of crimes against humanity. Personally, I believe that hanging some of these fuckers would send the right signal to islamic counties that this kind of sick barbaric behavior will not be tolerated by the international community, and that there will be serious consequences if they continue. Good Christ, man, hang a 17 year old girl for BEING RAPED, and declare it was "the will of allah." These fuckers are sick!!
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 AM
Yeah, I don't think this is a religious thing.  Nothing in Islam teaches such things, just like nothing in Catholicism teaches pedastry (although there is some grounds for it in Buddhism in the past).

This has nothing to do with religion, it's to do with people.  There are plenty of cases of this sort of thing in Europe done by atheists... so would you say atheism is evil?  I didn't condemn Dudeism for it's violent, pro-gun attitude when I saw the clips of that aborted documentary... I condemned the people, because it's not part of Dudeism, and Dudeism doesn't promote gun culture.  Likewise, Islam does not promote child abuse.

This is a terrible, terrible case, and it saddens my heart, but religion is nothing to do with this.  No extremists are following their own religion.  Not the KKK, not Al'Qaida, not anyone who does anything like this :(

ps:
Quote from: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: Landshark on December 14, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
I just hear that Presidential hopeful rick Santorum would support racial profiling in the United States.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

That would be a stomach-churnlingly abysmal thing  >:(
Moving back into the past is a worrying thing, it's always a concern when we have a Tory government here in the UK, much as it is when the US goes into a Republican administration.  Conservative values can get a little extreme at times :(
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:20:22 AM
Dude, I keep shaking my head, with tears in my eyes... how did it get to this? That was someone's daughter...  There's tons of stories that would make anyone weep, but to have that kind of behavior enshrined in law raises my ire... and confirms my hatred of religion.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:27:44 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 AM
Yeah, I don't think this is a religious thing.  Nothing in Islam teaches such things, just like nothing in Catholicism teaches pedastry (although there is some grounds for it in Buddhism in the past).

This has nothing to do with religion, it's to do with people.  There are plenty of cases of this sort of thing in Europe done by atheists... so would you say atheism is evil?  I didn't condemn Dudeism for it's violent, pro-gun attitude when I saw the clips of that aborted documentary... I condemned the people, because it's not part of Dudeism, and Dudeism doesn't promote gun culture.  Likewise, Islam does not promote child abuse.

This is a terrible, terrible case, and it saddens my heart, but religion is nothing to do with this.  No extremists are following their own religion.  Not the KKK, not Al'Qaida, not anyone who does anything like this :(

ps:
Quote from: Hominid on December 14, 2011, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: Landshark on December 14, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
I just hear that Presidential hopeful rick Santorum would support racial profiling in the United States.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

That would be a stomach-churnlingly abysmal thing  >:(
Moving back into the past is a worrying thing, it's always a concern when we have a Tory government here in the UK, much as it is when the US goes into a Republican administration.  Conservative values can get a little extreme at times :(
I hear you dude, just like the laws of physics aren't responsible for the A-bomb, but religion is FAR too much of an excuse for this shit, as well as a convenient justification for it.  Yes, it's the people that are corrupt, but if these religious writings didn't give so much leeway in interpretation, perhaps Sharia law wouldn't exist in the first place. Which is my point... You wouldn't get away with this in Canada or the US. Again, the behavior is ENSHRINED in Sharia law...
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:29:51 AM
As for the case of Iran... they're just about the most backward nation in the middle east, as far as I'm concerned.

Britian has been trying to tackle human rights issues with Iran for decades to little or no avail.  Of course, the fact that in the past couple of weeks Iran and the UK have broken of some diplomatic ties due to the issue of embassies, we've got even less clout than before (we've gone from almost noneatall to actually noneatall).

The UK has many, many Iranians who've escape Iran in the past few decades to live a life of freedom, away from fear, the sort of thing you expect from a wartorn country.  So how bad must the human rights situation of a peaceful country be to cause such reactions in its people?

Iran is one of the most scary countires in the world, because its government, and at the moment, it's particularly dangerous president.  If any country badly needed a regime change, it was aways Iran!  And yet, it's not one of the countires involved in the Arab Spring... but I get the feeling it would turn into another Syria if that happened, answering the cries of the people with bullets.  Unlike the more liberal Arab states, like Tunisia and Egypt, Iran has used its ultra conservative, high-pressure regime to kettle the will of its people, sapping the strength to rise up...

Guh... I could go on brooding over Iran for hours, but that's going to achieve anything new.  And a lot of that is possibly just my opinion... but I'm pretty sure its sadly not :(
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:40:24 AM
...and the human race is supposedly "evolved".  Pfff.... If anyone ever catches me complaining about my life, just shoot me.

So, on the bright side, where I live, I have no oppressors: no Catholic priests trying to suck my dick, no Islamists at my throat for drawing a cartoon or writing fiction about their deity, or right-wing born-again fundamentalists telling me my wacko neighbor is allowed to own a garage-full of semi-automatic rifles...

So, um...

Sorry, lost my train of thought there...



Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:53:44 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:27:44 AM
I hear you dude, just like the laws of physics aren't responsible for the A-bomb, but religion is FAR too much of an excuse for this shit, as well as a convenient justification for it.  Yes, it's the people that are corrupt, but if these religious writings didn't give so much leeway in interpretation, perhaps Sharia law wouldn't exist in the first place. Which is my point... You wouldn't get away with this in Canada or the US. Again, the behavior is ENSHRINED in Sharia law...

That's true, but Sharia Law is not a constant.  Every Islamic state uses different aspects or interpretations of Sharia Law.

There has been talk of introducing some Sharia Law into the UK.  There was much outrage at the mention of it, thinking it would allow Muslims to beat and rape their wives, and all sorts.  What was ACTUALLY intended was to allow Sharia Law to settle civil disputes in Muslim communities, where such rules hold clout.  Any actual crime committed under UK law still applies, but we don't have the same community laws that are comtimes needed to settle arguments and small civil matters.  It would merely mean extending UK law to ease strain on our legal system somewhat, with respect to our peaceful Muslim Brits.

Sharia Law is just another form of interpretation.  But then again, how many people do you know who interpret your own national laws differently?  Some people think laws against drugs and media piracy are stupid and can be broken freely...

Laws can be hazy and each country chooses its own (just look at Gary Glitter, fleeing the UK after child abuse allegations to Thailand... where they have the death penalty for that sort of thing, what a twat!), and Sharia Law is no different in that respect... but yeah, I agree that people can be too beholden to a set of laws described at the Law of God.

I'm glad I live in an enlightened (well, kindof), multicultural, multi-faith society where we don't get bogged down with this kind of thing :(
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:54:23 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:40:24 AM
...and the human race is supposedly "evolved".  Pfff.... If anyone ever catches me complaining about my life, just shoot me.

Save a bullet for me, man :/
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 05:10:21 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 04:54:23 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:40:24 AM
...and the human race is supposedly "evolved".  Pfff.... If anyone ever catches me complaining about my life, just shoot me.

Save a bullet for me, man :/
Good thread dude, it's fortunate we have such access to this information, otherwise I wouldn't give a shit.

Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 05:45:54 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 05:10:21 AM
Good thread dude, it's fortunate we have such access to this information, otherwise I wouldn't give a shit.

Fuckin' A!

Well, they say ignorance is bliss.  But what did being happy ever solve?  Heh...
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Happiness is an end unto itself.  You not know Buddhism?

;)

Or Abraham Hicks?

Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 07:23:25 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Happiness is an end unto itself.  You not know Buddhism?

;)

Or Abraham Hicks?



That's true, but ignorance brings about our own bliss... not that of those in need.  Sometimes we have to sacrifice our own happiness (by way of knowledge like that which you've shared with us in this thread) to help other obtain the happiness that comes so easy to us.  Not that you don't know that, I'm sure, but I'm just expressing my point :P

I think there is more value in happiness earned rather than happiness obtained by acts of blissful ignorance.  Happiness may help end my cycle of suffering, but I think my compassion and support for people like Amnesty International will bring me better karma in the long run :D

And that's what I love about Dudeism.  None of us are happy because we're ignorant, we're happy because we're in the know, even if sometimes it puts a strain on us, we can suffer and bare it.  Dudes don't turn their backs on Dudes in need of Dudeliness (to coin a phrase from Ceaser Dude) :)
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 15, 2011, 01:08:34 PM
It might be that Sharia and other common uptight behaviors are not part of the wonderful open minded religion that is Islam, nevertheless anytime these things happen, even in the West, no muslim stands up and says "this aggression will not stand". And if they don't condemn it they agree with it.

Some people think the Catholic church is bad, let's see what will happen when muslims will be the majority somewhere in the West. And the fact that here it seems these things don't happen is simply because authorities look the other way to avoid hassles or being accused of religious intolerance. This is not intolerance, it's that they are full of fundamentalist zealots. And no one will ever do something against them until they'll have the biggest oil reserves in the world.

It might be I'm not that intelligent but I see no difference between those who beat children till they bled or pederasts, whatever their proclamed religion. Anyway I once read an article detailing that after talibans left and USA arrived in Afghanistan one of the first thing Afgans did was to reopen bars were males under 10 do what you can imagine for Afghans customers. And the interesting thig is that those bars were closed by talibans who are zealots like.

It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

Sorry for the rant but I'm tired that muslims can do whatever they want around the world because that's their religion and no one tells them that they can't. But when I'll met an open minded muslim I'm ready to change my mind. If it will ever happen. Sufi excluded because they're already cool.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Rev. Ed C on December 15, 2011, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: Andrea Da Fino on December 15, 2011, 01:08:34 PM
...anytime these things happen, even in the West, no Muslim stands up and says "this aggression will not stand". And if they don't condemn it they agree with it.

That may the a cultural thing.  Or it may be that they don't speak loud enough because they're too busy keeping their heads down whilst the crosshairs are out.

A lot of ethnic communities in the UK keep themselves to themselves for various reasons.   Some are genuinely insular, some are isolated and some keep close together in fear of some aggression they get from the outside.  There are plenty of outspoken Muslims/Iranian ex-pats in this country who condemn Iran and it's polices and laws, but some keep hidden in fear of being discovered by the people they escaped from.

It's a complex issue, but at least we all agree on the main point of the article:  The guys who did this to those children are despicable people of the highest order.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
Right on Ed and Andrea - it's the people we are to blame; religion is secondary.  I'll rant on about the evils of religion because it's such a convenient springboard for any whacko to do their sick shit, but it truly is what's in people's hearts that is to blame.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 15, 2011, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Hominid on December 15, 2011, 04:37:47 PM
Right on Ed and Andrea - it's the people we are to blame; religion is secondary.  I'll rant on about the evils of religion because it's such a convenient springboard for any whacko to do their sick shit, but it truly is what's in people's hearts that is to blame.

Ultimately it does come to people, you can't use your religion to excuse inhuman behavior. The nazis' attempted that in Nuremberg. It didn't fly. But, as Lenin said (yes, it was Marx, but Lenin is close enough), "religion is the opium of the the people." Or in my words; too much religion is like too much beer, it clouds the minds of many people and turns otherwise reasonable normal people into maniacs, tyrants and killers.

People who hang 17 year old rape victims are so far gone in anything that is even vaguely human, decent and compassionate that I fear it will take brute force to stop them. Across this line they MUST NOT be permitted to go.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 15, 2011, 11:26:14 PM
Hominid you're fucking correct. It's the fucking human nature of those fundamentalists which is wrong. Dudeism attracts dudes or wanna be dudes and fundamentalists points of view attract fundamentalists. Anyway no one goes against Sharia, they just go as long as to say that it's not their prophet work but they go on with it. And it's taken along wherever they go, even in UK. If you think that here in Italy they do infibulation like in  their country because no one wants to mess with religious issues and because they keep it secret since it's their culture. Those fuckers are crazy and still living in Middle Age. And those of them who don't accept rules get, well, convinced by family and friends.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 16, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: Andrea Da Fino on December 15, 2011, 11:26:14 PM
Those fuckers are crazy and still living in Middle Age.

Fuckin' eh.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Caesar dude on December 16, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all. (http://it%20isn't%20a%20coincidence%20that%20there%20are%20no%20muslim%20dudes%20here,%20not%20at%20all.)

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 16, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on December 16, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all. (http://it%20isn't%20a%20coincidence%20that%20there%20are%20no%20muslim%20dudes%20here,%20not%20at%20all.)

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.


For me, the issue here, C dude, is sharia law, which I have to agree is out of the middle ages, idiocy, in no way compatible with the 21st century, and my view is that it IS barbaric. Having said that; in no way does that infer that every Muslim is barbaric, obviously there are the majority Muslims who are everyday decent human beings. I know a couple of Muslims who are very fine people and who are sickened by what they see radical Islamist doing today.

As far as there not being many Muslims here on the chat board; that is true and I am not sure why, I would love to see more Muslim dudes on the forum. I think we have had one or two. It might be due to the fact that there is some (underscore SOME) slander of Muslims in TBL; i.e., "camel fuckers," and "looking for reverse in a Soviet tank," etc. That could have some affect on Muslims being turned off to Dudeism.

The ones that are "crazy" as I mention above, are the terrorists, the judges that hang 17 year old raped girls, and the assholes who engage in so-called "honor killings," etc. Those are the "camel fuckers" who are insane.

As always, dude, IMHO
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Caesar dude on December 16, 2011, 08:11:54 PM
I'll try that again:
QuoteIt isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all.

It's a quote from Mr. Defino

I think that is racist and an affront to everyone on these boards.

How does he know that? I might be a Muslim as may any other dude here. Dudeism is not exclusivism as I am lead to believe.

We sort of pride our selves on our openness and impartiality and that broad statement does not fill me with warmth and good fuzzies!

As you may know I lived in the Middle East in Abu Dhabi for ten years. I was employed as an instructor and advisor to their military personnel.

During that time I was living in the Capitol and was subject to Shariah Law. I still have all my limbs and as far as I know all my female friends both Western and Emirati have theirs.

Sharia Law whilst clearly written in the middle ages and is used as a foundation to Islam is no harsher than the ten Commandments.

It is how and who upholds their interpretation of that law that differs. Muslims have no Chief Cleric or Pope. They have several  different chief clerics. Sudanese, Iranian, Saudi, etc. This filters down to the third world countries who have their own Chiefs and clerics and who interpret the law in their own way

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is similar to being caught speeding in New York City or bumfuck nowhere Arizona...the law will apply but let me interpret the punishment. New York a fine.... Arizona? Well we've all seen Deliverance!

(The last sentence was a joke to enlighten the whole proceedings!)

QuoteThe ones that are "crazy" as I mention above, are the terrorists, the judges that hang 17 year old raped girls, and the assholes who engage in so-called "honor killings," etc. Those are the "camel fuckers" who are insane

The ones that are crazy are us are every single one of us who stands still and does fuck all while this happens, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16216174 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16216174)

Your post Db Your Post!




Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 16, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on December 16, 2011, 08:11:54 PM

Your post Db Your Post!


You are correct, Sir. True point.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 02:39:59 AM
Quote from: Caesar dude on December 16, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
It isn't a coincidence that there are no muslim dudes here, not at all. (http://it%20isn't%20a%20coincidence%20that%20there%20are%20no%20muslim%20dudes%20here,%20not%20at%20all.)

That's racism dude. Plain and simple.


I guess not, let me explain better my point. I think that it is not a coincidence if here on the forum there are no people born into Islam who joined Dudeism. I'm not talking about someone who can be born into Catholicism, maybe later moved to Islam and then comes to Dudeism (which is cool anyway), I was pointing to the fact that for one reason or another muslims usually do not change religion and that they must, due to their religion, support each other whatever they do, am I wrong?

Given your experience you surely know better than me and I can just say what I see here in Italy, facts like that a journalist who moved from Islam to Catholicism has to move with bodyguards. Or that a father killed his daughter because she wanted to marry an Italian Catholic. I know it happens all the time everywhere in the world but it's not so common that it's done for religious reasons, right?

And while I agree with you that fundamentalists are just a little part of muslims still living in the Middle Age (just like their Catholic and Jew compeers) it must be also said that all the rest never, or almost never if you prefer, raise his voice to stop them. They just go as far as to say "That's not Islam", or "That's not in the Qumran" but they don't move a finger about them. Which in my humble opinion means that they dig them. At the end they're slaying unbelievers or people who doesn't believe enough and given that if they are good muslim they go to Heaven everything is cool anyway.

We can see this as an open question: Is there any Muslim born Muslim who has turned to Dudeism? And for the sake of Fairness Is there any Jew born Jew who has turned to Dudeism?

Is it my fault if I'm just fucking curious? 8)

This has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with seeing things as they are without preconcepts either in one sense or in the other. For me if someone is a fucking fundamentalist it is such whatever his religion. And no, I don't judge people based on the color of their skin, and this means that your color isn't an excuse for your behavior. I always try to stick to the dude-undude thing.

But as usual this is just my opinion, and I can be wrong.
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 02:56:50 AM
Well Cd, you can have your opinion as well as I can have mine, and if I've really said something wrong be sure that either DB or someone else will send me to bed without dinner. And take away my beer for a month.

For what I know about Islam if you were really a muslim you could not be in this place. Allah and The Dude don't go hand in hand and it's not The Dude fault. Dudeism accepts everyone but not everyone accepts Dudeism.

Also even if there is no Head Cleric in Islam no muslim in the whole universe can move away from the Qumran, and the Qumran has no interpretation, you just have to stick with it, much worse than with the Bible. As a matter of fact to be a religious boss there you just have to know the Qumran word by word and to get its teaching it is advised to learn it in Arab and not other languages as in the translation some part misses. That's what I know, but again I might be wrong.

So next book I'll read will be the Qumran so I'll know better wtf I'm talking about, not that I know the Bible word by word anyway, oh well.

The point about muslim dudes was taken from another thread which I don't remember about the various openness degrees of different religions. It would be a pleasure to know that someone can be at the same time a muslim and a dude or a jew and a dude. But I'm talking about people born in those religions, not like Walter.

Imdo.  8)

Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 17, 2011, 11:14:10 AM
Point well taken Andrea,

Something to remember is that middle eastern culture *IS* religion - they live and breathe it like it is life itself. Western faiths (and some of Europe's) aren't as multi-generational and culturally engrained. So, with "new" countries like Canada and the US, our culture is still evolving... I think that is what's behind the Muslim reticence to become Dudeist priests - it's an affront to the sensibilities, their beliefs, even their social mores. I'm not trying to over simplify here, but I think this offers a little insight into the question about Muslims and their non-involvement in Dudeism.

IMDO!
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Thanks Hominid Dude. I'm not here to scam anyone or offend anyone, obviously, it's just that I see almost every religion represented in Dudeism except those two. And this raises questions but it might be that I'm just fucking curious. Or that really there is something "strange" with them.

I don't like fundamentalists and their supporters wherever they come from. Especially if they plainly say "We'll follow your rules until we'll be enough, then you'll follow ours".

Well, let's go bowling.  8)
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Caesar dude on December 17, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
You make a lot of good points in your posts and I agree with the most important ones and can now clearly see where you are coming from.

This is a quote from Wiki:
QuoteApostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. The Qur'an itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution ? on an interpretation of certain hadiths ? to no punishment at all as long as they "do not work against the Muslim society or nation."[1] According to Islamic law apostasy is identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God, rejecting the prophets, mocking God or the prophets, idol worship, rejecting the sharia, or permitting behavior that is forbidden by the sharia, such as adultery.[

Now that shit is fucked up!

If a Muslim dude joined this site he could be executed for it or just told not to preach against Islam.

Imagine being killed for joining a website! ?

Peace Andrea
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 17, 2011, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on December 17, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
You make a lot of good points in your posts and I agree with the most important ones and can now clearly see where you are coming from.

This is a quote from Wiki:
QuoteApostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. The Qur'an itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution ? on an interpretation of certain hadiths ? to no punishment at all as long as they "do not work against the Muslim society or nation."[1] According to Islamic law apostasy is identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God, rejecting the prophets, mocking God or the prophets, idol worship, rejecting the sharia, or permitting behavior that is forbidden by the sharia, such as adultery.[

Now that shit is fucked up!

If a Muslim dude joined this site he could be executed for it or just told not to preach against Islam.

Imagine being killed for joining a website! ?

Peace Andrea

This is one reason Walter called them "camel fuckers." "Looking for reverse in a Soviet tank" was Walter's way of explaining how backward and ignorant these people are. This ignorant fool thinks the world is flat......................

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001546297/910727301_0_xlarge.jpeg)

Muslim scientist says world is flat and sun revolves earth because Koran says so.

Check out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5O79MgjinI
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 11:17:24 PM
No problem Caesar Dude, I knew it was just a matter of misunderstanding, also your f***ing English language is different from Italian.  :D

Actually there are many things I dig about Middle East but I find difficult understanding their religion, and this is sometimes complicated because 95 percent of times as Hominid Dude said their religion is their culture.

My idea about cool religions is people around a table drinking, eating and having a good time whatever their background or culture and debating about life's misteries while getting drunk. Because it's while getting drunk that you have clear glimpses of the universal bowling lane.  ;D

Well, honestly I dig every culture which is dude-like but don't like fundamentalists and female-haters. This has also a lot to do with the fact that I dig females dressed in viking suits.

Glad we've understood each other better Caesar Dude compeer. Let's have a beer!  ;)
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 11:22:55 PM
So the world isn't flat? Ohhh, that's interesting, that's very interesting. Let me take another look down there.  :D
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 17, 2011, 11:34:10 PM
Quote from: Andrea Da Fino on December 17, 2011, 11:22:55 PM
So the world isn't flat? Ohhh, that's interesting, that's very interesting. Let me take another look down there.  :D

Obviously that muslim isn't a golfer. ;D
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: Hominid on December 18, 2011, 03:49:04 AM
Laughable, man...
Title: Re: Children beaten till they bled
Post by: DigitalBuddha on December 18, 2011, 04:56:26 AM
Quote from: Hominid on December 18, 2011, 03:49:04 AM
Laughable, man...

Bush league psyched out stuff, laughable, man!