this is just like my opinion man..., the dude and walter are complete oposite ends on the dude spectrum, and i think this shows you that being a dude and taking her easy is better for you than like not taking her easy and being like walter, maybe this is a hidden message in the movie, yeah man far out.... 8)
I think there is some valid thinking there, dude. Maybe it could be said that Walter is a different kind of dude in his own right.
They're like yin and yang.... but then again this could be a lot more uh uh uh complex I mean it might not be, just a simple, uh, ya know?
In the end I think that the movie like the Dude is without Judgement.
Just how the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' it-self,
down through the generations, westward the wagons, across the sands a time
until....
Also the Dude and Walter are based on real dudes.
John Milius in the case of Walter.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0587518/
If modern society has the tendency to produce alienation in people, might Dudeism be the tonic?
It sort of sounds like that is the promise.
This is cure for Cancer type chit mang!!!
I get what your saying both are types of Dudeist but stuck persanality wise at one point well in Dudeism we need to abide between the two of the lay back and take it easy and the flach back to Nam time to jump in to action but that is just like one opinion man
In several chapters in The Abide Guide, it mentions Yin and Yang and how in order to be more Dude you have to center yourself in a balance between the two. Therefore it could be said that not only is The Dude the Yin and Walter is the Yang, but the Dude is more balanced in the center while Walter is unbalanced and lying face down in the Yang much. That's just my musings on it of course.
I do not know the situation is perhaps the only man...... just need a guy to talk and do the natural comunication
The Dude has his walter moments, and Walter has his dude moments.
Quote from: wozza on July 18, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
The Dude has his walter moments, and Walter has his dude moments.
Hey wozza dude, welcome to the party, mang! Good to have you in our beach community and our private residence, man. Grab an oat soda, bar's over there.
Wow! Welcome new dudes to our nice quiet beach community dudes! Good to see you all...any rug dudes! 8)
I'll try not to be a friend with a cleft arsehole.
Somedays I feel like I have the Dude on one shoulder and Walter on the other. I guess you need a full team to play in the league.
nam! lmao... it always goes back to nam
Quote from: Leopoldrose on August 15, 2012, 08:17:20 AM
Somedays I feel like I have the Dude on one shoulder and Walter on the other. I guess you need a full team to play in the league.
Well said, sir. Things would not be the way they are, were it not for the dudes, walters and the rest of us. We may use archetypes, which are in one sense trimmed down ideals that help us to focus on the issue at hand, but not real, actual living people. (ducks hurled vegetables)
I deal with my inner walter with humor. For example, I am trying to get 400 meter cross country wife beating into the next Olympics.
Well, better than pulling a gun... ITDO (in this dude's opinion).
Revpurdy and pikasonic bring up very good points. I can see how they can be considered the Yin and Yang. And I completely agree that we all should find a middle ground and know when to be more dude and say Fuck it and don the shades... And know when to be more Walter and take control of things. But at either end of that we still should strive to keep balance. Just my opinion or whatever.
Now that's interesting, dudes. I hadn't considered a dualist/yin-yang relationship between the Dude and Walter. I viewed them as part of a triumvirate with Donny: Walter symbolized the god of Moses (Torah/Old Testament), the Dude symbolized Jesus (New Testament), and Donny symbolized the Holy Ghost (I dunno where that thing started - overworked, underpaid, theory-pressed clerics circa Aquinas). And it was cool because the pattern of threes neatly paralleled most classical religions and the movie (three holes in a bowling ball, three nihilists, etc).
But, if we also view the characters as reciprocally defining in a thesis/anti-thesis (Hegelian) sense, which seems appropriate given the valid points you dudes make, that...uh, well...man, it's complicated. You just added a lot of new shit that needs to be filtered through the, uh, uh, system. I gotta work out a 6x6 matrix or something.
By the way, first post. Sorry if it's verboten to resurrect old philosophical discussions - but, hell, we still discuss Socrates and that dude hasn't published shit in years. I trust the Dude would agree its preferable to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.
Maybe I'm off base trying to find a single source to attribute each character to. Everyone says The Dude is Jesus H. Christ.
But Walter isn't so easy. Abraham? Moses? The Rambam? My best guess is King David. Since the only famed convert in the Bible is Ruth and Ruth is King David's great-grandmother it still sort of works. Walter and David are both war heros having been down in the muck and all. They're concerned with the Law but they're both sinners.
Donny is also difficult. He is obviously the Walrus. As he confesses several times. But who exactly is the Walrus? If you have to choose an actual man who has lived and breathed to represent Eastern thought it who have to be Prince Sidharta, the Buddha. I think Donny is 100% Buddha compatible.
Quote from: skepticalshely on April 25, 2014, 07:53:37 PM
Maybe I'm off base trying to find a single source to attribute each character to. Everyone says The Dude is Jesus H. Christ.
I'm sorry who says this. I certainly don't.
As explained before I am defiantly against the christianisation of Dudeism.
We have recently discussed the fact that the Coens don't hide christian symbolism in their films, and don't understand the Dudeism concept.
The religion of Dudeism is based in Taoism and Zen not christianity.
It is not an iconic religion.
Christianity is not the only religion.
Quote from: skepticalshely on April 25, 2014, 07:53:37 PM
But Walter isn't so easy. Abraham? Moses? The Rambam? My best guess is King David. Since the only famed convert in the Bible is Ruth and Ruth is King David's great-grandmother it still sort of works. Walter and David are both war heros having been down in the muck and all. They're concerned with the Law but they're both sinners.
Why draw a comparison to biblical stories at all. Why make comparison with the bible at all. Why make comparison with any religious (including Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Jain, Tiki, Norse Pagan) story or figures.
The story stands alone as an item in itself.
Why can't the Dude just be the Dude?
Why can't Donny just be Donny?
And Walter just be Walter?
Making Dudeism a religion is not making Dudeism christianity, or islam, or any other religion. Dudeism like the Dude just is Dudeism, not other religions.
Quote from: skepticalshely on April 25, 2014, 07:53:37 PM
Donny is also difficult. He is obviously the Walrus. As he confesses several times. But who exactly is the Walrus? If you have to choose an actual man who has lived and breathed to represent Eastern thought it who have to be Prince Sidharta, the Buddha. I think Donny is 100% Buddha compatible.
No you are making Donny difficult, stop obsessing about the symbolism of the walrus.
Making Dudeism a religion it has its own symbolism it does not need to borrow from other religions.
Sorry but I find this whole process vacuous and pointless.
The perspectives can be reconciled. As you said, meekon, TBL and dudeism are two different things. Therefore, analyzing TBL and finding (or, in many instances, forcing) christian, buddhist, Freudian, feminist, or other structural parallels isn't the same as trying to graft those symbols onto dudeism.
At least I hope not. Because it would be sad and counterproductive to make dudeism more like christianity, et al. The attraction of dudeism rests, at least partly, in it being so very different (less iconic, less dogmatic, less...well, less everything so bullshit) from more established religions.
Quote from: jgiffin on April 26, 2014, 08:39:13 AM
The attraction of dudeism rests, at least partly, in it being so very different (less iconic, less dogmatic, less...well, less everything so bullshit) from more established religions.
Right on!
I dig your style Dude.
Quote from: jgiffin on April 26, 2014, 08:39:13 AM
The perspectives can be reconciled. As you said, meekon, TBL and dudeism are two different things. Therefore, analyzing TBL and finding (or, in many instances, forcing) christian, buddhist, Freudian, feminist, or other structural parallels isn't the same as trying to graft those symbols onto dudeism.
At least I hope not. Because it would be sad and counterproductive to make dudeism more like christianity, et al. The attraction of dudeism rests, at least partly, in it being so very different (less iconic, less dogmatic, less...well, less everything so bullshit) from more established religions.
I agree wholeheartedly dude, the symbols I'm refering to are like the symbols that our words are. They don't define TBL but they convey meanings that belong to the ages. Instead of a cute 90 minute picture show, it's a microcosm of the universe and all of it's history. When Donny says "I am the Walrus" I see a critique on millenia of eastern thought. Donny's flaws are it's flaws. The Dude's flaws are Christianity's flaws. Walter's flaws are Judaism''s flaws. No wonder TBL leaves us searching for a new religion, man.