It's been a few years since I last heard about them so now I cannot remember their name. They are an official office of the Roman Catholic Church and I believe they are mostly Jesuits...but maybe not...and their function is to promote the Roman Catholic Faith by any means necessary.
It was this group who were responsible for inserting "Under God" in the Pledge of The US and getting "In God We Trust" printed on our monies.
They also infiltrate organization to pervert them into Christian organization or failing that to cause rancor among the members and pretty much destroy the organization.
They have an Official name, and I believe they fall under The Roman Curia. They are not well advertised, but neither are they a hidden or secret office, but they mostly operate in secret and infiltrate any group under false pretense to subvert the functions of that group if they believe it threatens the Church or if they think they can take over and use the group to promote the Roman Catholic faith.
They will lie, cheat and murder if they believe it necessary.
They have been around for centuries.
I have been trying to track them down again but can no longer find any mention of them on the Internet...I know they are there...I just cannot find them again.
I know we have a few Religious Scholars here. Anyone know whom I am talking about?
Quote from: thinkingdude on August 31, 2011, 03:17:22 PM
The Knights of Columbus comes to mind.
~thinkingdude
Thanks, but it wasn't them dude. Not that I wouldn't put it past them either...they are just not the official office I'm looking for.
anyone else?
Illuminatii?
(not being too helpful there I'll have a dig around later and see if I can do better) ;D
It wouldn't be the Knights Templar, they were thrown under the bus in the 1400s(?).
Quote from: Landshark on September 01, 2011, 06:37:56 AM
It wouldn't be the Knights Templar, they were thrown under the bus in the 1400s(?).
Ah Friday the thirteenth, sigh.
I did a little digging.
It's not this lot your talking about?
The Society of Jesus?
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/42043/john-c-campbell/the-jesuits-the-society-of-jesus-and-the-betrayal-of-the-roman-c
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
Quote from: meekon5 on September 01, 2011, 07:41:27 AM
I did a little digging.
It's not this lot your talking about?
The Society of Jesus?
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/42043/john-c-campbell/the-jesuits-the-society-of-jesus-and-the-betrayal-of-the-roman-c
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
Nope...nice try, but The Society of Jesus are just the Jesuits.
What I am talking about are pretty much like the CIA for the Church.
I tried looking that up too, but didn't find what I am looking for...found a hell of a lot of interesting shit though.
I did a search for The Secret office of the Church and came up with even more interesting shit:
http://www.sarabite.info/vatican.html
In which I found the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which I think is what I was looking for...maybe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith
It doesn't sound like the title of the office I remember, but it's been about 5 or 6 years ago so my memory is a bit faded.
I just found the link so I'm still reading...
Anyone else find something?
Found it!
The "Council for the Public Affairs of the Church", ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_Extraordinary_Ecclesiastical_Affairs
Quote from: cckeiser on September 01, 2011, 11:53:13 AM
Found it!
The "Council for the Public Affairs of the Church", ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_Extraordinary_Ecclesiastical_Affairs
Nope...it was the other one.. the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith...though they are closely related.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith
These are guys are the same as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition (wherefrom arose the names Roman Inquisition or Holy Inquisition). They are still The Inquisitors are not all that much changed...just their methods have morphed...not their purpose.
The CWA (Catholic Women's Association) cosmically out-ranks all other orders of the Faith, and are the terror of many a parish priest. Mother Mary's got their back, and Yahweh wouldn't intervene against them if his one and only son's life were on the line.
[...it is interesting to note that the CWA has no Wikipedia page, and that the Catholic Women's League has but the briefest of entries. Coincidence?]
Quote from: thinkingdude on September 03, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: cckeiser on August 31, 2011, 10:37:17 PM
anyone else?
The Rosicrucian order, Opus Dei, and The Priori of Sionis are ones to consider too.
~thinkingdude
Prieure de Sion, or
Priory of Sion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion) is a ludibrium created by
Pierre Plantard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Plantard).
Evidence presented in support of its historical existence and activities before 1956 was discovered to have been forged and then planted in various locations around France by Plantard and his accomplices.
The Rosicrucian order is more spiritual than political, based on a spiritual interpretation of alchemy, (I went out with one for a while).
Unfortunately both the Da Vinci code and The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail are particularly badly researched historically. Both make a lot a spurious connections in order to advance their theories (though in the case of the Da Vinci code fiction should allow for a certain suspension of disbelief and allow for manipulation of history to create a good story line, fiction is after all just fiction).
As for Opus Dei, they are just a fringe organisation wiithout the significance in catholicism that both books try to imply.
Finally the Illuminatii (That I mnetioned earlier but are a similar case) are an interesting (Internet) hysterical extrapolation of a humerous idea Robert Anton Wilson used in his Illuminatus Trillogy. Do look at the introduction to the Principia Discordia (3rd ed i think) for the true origins of the Iluminatus conspiracy.
This is interesting, man. Why do you... uh... want to know?
Ah how nice to see all the familiar faces there.
They are actually wrong about the Thule society, Hitler did join but by the time he joined it was no longer a secret mystical society, just a group dedicated to antisemitism. It did not become the national socialist party, this was a development of political parties not secret societies. This is a common mistake often cited in the likes of Indiana Jones films, and Wheatly's the devil rides out (or they used satanic powers). Himler did set up a branch of the SS dedicated to mystical and occult investigation which may have had some influence on HItler, but Hitler had his own astrologer to advise him as well.
Sorry again one of my favourite subjects and frequently mis represented due to some prominent cases of bad research.
as for the Nazi's comming from Thule:
"he (Hitler) joined the right-wing Bavarian German Workers' Party in 1919. The following year, the party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party (National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei--NSDAP). Its members were known as Nazis, a term derived from the German pronunciation of "National." In 1921 Hitler assumed leadership of the NSDAP."
Also the wiki page on the subject (Nazism and occultism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_occultism)) is a rather good resource (for once).