I was catching up on some of the threads earlier and I came across a thread where I read that the reverend Cakes has left!
I've read the whole thread and wanted to comment but couldn't because the thread was locked!!!!
Could you please explain to me why? I do realise that the subject went "off topic" but that's never been a reason to block any other threads. I have always believed that the Dudeism Forum was a place to hang out and chill with like minded folks and like a good dinner party the conversation may start in one direction then ebb and flow across many different subjects then may or may not return to the original topic....it doesn't matter as long as everyone is participating and having a good time.
Is this the kind of censorship Cakes meant....I for one am not happy about being told what and what I cannot include in my posts....many of my posts are one line jokes maybe directed at the dude who wrote the last comment and certainly nothing to do with the subject....am I likely to be banned or censored for this behaviour.
No smilies in my post either. I would like clarification on this matter before I too make the same decision that Cakes did.
Peace.
cesar, don't be rash-- cakes had a meltdown and acted the dick... the locking of the thread came later, i believe. i can enlighten you further if you want me to PM you.
xox
What?....what day is this?
What thread was locked? Why? I didn't lock it?
Why would anyone lock a thread? ???
Try the "what state not state of mind thread" Dudely lama locked it....
QuoteWhy would anyone lock a thread?
My point exactly!
I'd like an explanation cos this is very undude behaviour.
Peace.
It had to do with the Moveing Dudeism forward thread, cakebelly wasn't really into trying to get Dudeism into the realm of alot of religions by giving title and trying to make it something with the ridgedness of religion, I have to admit I agree let it be.
Ok, I get it...the thread went way off topic and...and...? Ok..so the frickin thread went off topic...ok...ok... don't get it?
But then I'm just the janitor here...trying to keep the spammers out and the pad unspoiled. 8)
Yep the thread went way off topic as all the frickin' threads do..... why pick that one to censor?
Does this mean we are now going to have moderators and monitors...will it mean we can't swear if someone doesn't like it....? This is very undude.
I got the impression that forumdude locked it because it had gotten extremely off topic and the thread starter was complaining about it and wanted it to stop.
Complaining? I've heard about that but I do not know what that is? Is it some kind of DUDE THING?
Quote from: Caesar dude on August 26, 2011, 06:57:28 PM
Yep the thread went way off topic as all the frickin' threads do..... why pick that one to censor?
Does this mean we are now going to have moderators and monitors...will it mean we can't swear if someone doesn't like it....? This is very undude.
No dude...everything is ok...the plane has not crashed into the mountain. All is as it should be. The dude abides...I know you will. 8)
marvelous.
Nothings fucked here dudes.
Maybe Forumdude/dudely lama just didn't know what to do at the time, lotta ins an outs happening all at once. It was a grim time, I don't think he meant to censor anything, maybe trying to cool things down. Dunno just guessing here. The thread was only locked, not deleted, still a matter of record, so it can still be commented on, as is happening here.
Then again, being so close to the controversy I don't really know what to say, I feel terrible, none of this was my intent.
Locking a thread is hardly censorship. DL acted in a manner so as to move the conversation out of a topic that was called "What state are you from?" The info is still there, but if we want to start talking about it again we can either move it back to a more appropriate topic like "Moving Dudeism Forwards" where it all started or a new one, like this.
No one got censored here, no one got told off (apart from me, by Cakey) and nothing was undude (apart from that rather unfair personal attack on me, but, I got over that in a matter of hours of thinking and talking about it).
I can understand why thinkingdude was a bit pee'd, because he was trying to ascertain where we all come from (well, you Americans, anyway) and he wasn't getting any proper answers since Cakey hit the ceiling after GMS joked he'd be awarded a title for his contributions last month. Some of us tried to keep it light and alleviate the fears of Pancake Waitress, who was quite alarmed by Cakey's strong sentiments, but Cakey didn't want to chill.
I wasn't happy about what was said, and I'm still a little hurt, but, y'know, it happened. I don't mind talking about it, and in fact, I'd still like us to keep discussing Moving Dudeism Forwards, because I still think it's a relevent topic (especially in light of what happened). I'm glad we've moving back onto it :)
I know I'm still getting flack from people who seem to not get the idea of the discussion, but getting angry helps nothing. This is a rational, lighthearted, dudely discussion, and the fact that there's been so much teeth-grinding (as it appears to me) over this is, frankly, dumbfounding.
Never once has any single person advocated any of the extreme things people are unhappy about. No one wants a structure, a higherachy, rules or anything like that. No one is trying to fuck anything, we're just trying to take stock.
I keep feeling like the guy whose pointing out the elephant in the room, only to be told that acknowledging elephants is tantamount to turning Dudeism into an elephant only club, no humans aloud ;D
A reminder of the original issues I raised:
1) Lebowskian-driven imagery taking over the wider philosophy.
2) Lebowskian ideals putting off women and other ethnic group/nationalities from out universal, egalitarian ethos
3) The single, white, male slacker image being actually nothing like the group that we have here, who tend to be a mixed gender group of married workers (or similar).
You'd think, when asking people's opinion on these subjects I'd called everyone a bunch of c**ts and spat in their Caucasians :P
To be honest, I've been called quite a few things over this, and had a lot implied about my dudely credentials, which I think is quite an undude state of affairs to start ragging on a guy. To reiterate: I ain't a Christian, I don't believe in inequality. I am an agnostic Dudeist with a good spread of knowledge about/respect for other faiths. But first and foremost in my principals, I am an egalitarian. To be lambasted over trying to supposedly mastermind a scheme to introduce a dudeist hierarchy, to talk down to dues and push issues to "Christianise" Dudeism, are some of the most absurd and unfounded claims you can bring against me when it comes to my part in this community (unlike the claim that I waffle and talk too much, which is totally true! :P).
I don't believe there was ever been any censorship here, the Dudespaper or Facebook, nor has there been anything going on to discredit Dudeism or its dudes.
It's true that there are occasionally people around here who take offense too easily and can't always get into the good-spirited ways of the forum and small online fights break out, but I think if we were all sitting in a room together instead of trying to interpret the words of people we've (for the most part) never met, this wouldn't be an issue.
I'm still hoping Cakey will come back and take part in our community again and go back to driving issues he felt strongly about. We've lost some people in the past that we didn't all know half as well as the ubiquitous Cakebelly, and I really hope he's keeping up with us over Busmum's shoulder still :)
And, GMS... don't blame yourself man. We've all put in our two cents to this messy pile of rusty change that is the "event". I'm sure we all know it was not your intent to spark the fire, you were just joining in the actual topic and added a bit of levity with it. I for one could not have predicted such a reaction, or I don't expect you to have either.
We abide, we talk, we all evolve... we carry on abiding :)
Quote from: revgms on August 27, 2011, 02:20:34 AM
Then again, being so close to the controversy I don't really know what to say, I feel terrible, none of this was my intent.
revgms, this was in no way, shape, or form your doing-- don't buy into the survivor's guilt syndrome. ;D
i feel more than a little uncomfortable talking about what happened in a public way, because cakes' actions were his own, and he should be the one discussing it with the principals involved. on the other hand, i have insights that the rest of you aren't privy to because... well... not only are we married, but we are friends and mates, so i know exactly how we came to this impasse.
but i will say this:
in my opinion, cakebelly's infamous diatribe was poorly written and edited, and therefore not only lacked the proper background info supporting his conclusion, but came off as flaming certain
individuals, rather than addressing the
issues, which is the saddest thing of all to me... because the passion overcame common sense, the message was lost, and the discussion here became all about the effects of when someone acts like a rank asshole.
and you know what? that's how life rolls sometimes. i can't fix it (nor should i), but i'll also share how hurt i feel about it all too... and that it is interfering with my ability to contribute sound opinions to how we are to move dudeism forward.
sorry ed-- cakes isn't backseat typing, nor does he have plans to return as far as i know... and that's a damn crying shame really, because i think any important discussion needs dissent in order to bring ideas into sharper clarity and strength.
so... instead of taking a lane, i'll just sit back a bit enjoying my beer, and abide. have at it, gentleman. 8)
Quote from: Busmum on August 27, 2011, 11:08:00 AM
sorry ed-- cakes isn't backseat typing, nor does he have plans to return as far as i know... and that's a damn crying shame really, because i think any important discussion needs dissent in order to bring ideas into sharper clarity and strength.
I certainly didn't want him backseat typing, or contributing in your name (I'm glad you're you, and to be honest, that's unmistakable!), I was just a'hopin' he was a'watching, y'know, from up there :D
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on August 27, 2011, 11:15:33 AM
Quote from: Busmum on August 27, 2011, 11:08:00 AM
sorry ed-- cakes isn't backseat typing, nor does he have plans to return as far as i know... and that's a damn crying shame really, because i think any important discussion needs dissent in order to bring ideas into sharper clarity and strength.
I certainly didn't want him backseat typing, or contributing in your name (I'm glad you're you, and to be honest, that's unmistakable!), I was just a'hopin' he was a'watching, y'know, from up there :D
well, i'm glad to know our writing styles are distinct. i must say, i believe i have the upper hand when it comes to sentence structure ;)
Hey Busmum, thanks for sticking around despite the departure of Cakey. Let him know he's welcome back anytime.
i have expressed the sentiment to him:
"...There is a place set for you at our table, if you will choose to join us..."
... from one of the best books i have ever enjoyed:
http://fifthsacredthing.com/home/concept-art/
8)
Quote from: thinkingdude on August 27, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: cckeiser on August 26, 2011, 06:29:56 PM
Ok, I get it...the thread went way off topic and...and...? Ok..so the frickin thread went off topic...ok...ok... don't get it?
But then I'm just the janitor here...trying to keep the spammers out and the pad unspoiled. 8)
Hey man I'm just the stamp licker here until folks can get my realm of thinking. I hope I was not the one who caused the cakebelly departure though (Now I'm feeling a bit guilty of adding fuel to a fire?). If I am stepping out of the norm to the dudeism way someone message me and help me get a clue. I'm sitting on my "Abidin Rug" deeply puzzled and befuddled.
~thinkingdude
as i expressed to revgms, you shouldn't feel responsible for someone else's actions-- only cakes can be held accountable for what he did and said... and what's done is done.
there were several things going on at once, and they occurred in your thread... that is all. cakes had his own bonfire going, and brought his own gasoline. 8)
Quote from: thinkingdude on August 27, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: cckeiser on August 26, 2011, 06:29:56 PM
Ok, I get it...the thread went way off topic and...and...? Ok..so the frickin thread went off topic...ok...ok... don't get it?
But then I'm just the janitor here...trying to keep the spammers out and the pad unspoiled. 8)
Hey man I'm just the stamp licker here until folks can get my realm of thinking. I hope I was not the one who caused the cakebelly departure though (Now I'm feeling a bit guilty of adding fuel to a fire?). If I am stepping out of the norm to the dudeism way someone message me and help me get a clue. I'm sitting on my "Abidin Rug" deeply puzzled and befuddled.
~thinkingdude
You didn't cause anything dude, it just happened to be in your thread. As far as stepping out of the norm... there really isn't a norm. They only thing that made me take notice was the heavy use of the word "troll". That carries such a negative connotation on the internet that I was surprised to see it around here being used towards regular posters.
Quote from: thinkingdude on August 27, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: cckeiser on August 26, 2011, 06:29:56 PM
Ok, I get it...the thread went way off topic and...and...? Ok..so the frickin thread went off topic...ok...ok... don't get it?
But then I'm just the janitor here...trying to keep the spammers out and the pad unspoiled. 8)
Hey man I'm just the stamp licker here until folks can get my realm of thinking. I hope I was not the one who caused the cakebelly departure though (Now I'm feeling a bit guilty of adding fuel to a fire?). If I am stepping out of the norm to the dudeism way someone message me and help me get a clue. I'm sitting on my "Abidin Rug" deeply puzzled and befuddled.
~thinkingdude
No dude, you had nothing to do with cakes leaving...it was mostly my doing..I lit the spark and fanned the flames.
He was too good for the likes of us anyway.
He may be a little bit of a reactionary, but Cakebelly is a very special and talented dude...I consider it an honor to be able to call him friend.
Coming from the Colbert Nation, I gotta tell ya, this is super light duty stuff here. Over there we get real bonnafide trolls. There have been many many bannings, deleted threads and posts, the FBI even got involved once. Our sister board just came under systematic attack by a troll.
I moderate over there, we enjoy an open forum with lively discourse, censorship is the furthest from our minds, most things are fair game that would be deleted at other sites. We mods tend to just manage the flow, move or split threads so conversations can continue in the proper place. Clean up spam, something we have experience with here, and keep it in legal boundaries. Can't let people treat objects like women and no overt threats of physical violence. Good moderation is not about censoring, it is about protecting and enhancing the forum community.
But the CN is a very different community than here, we had an all out forum war just last year, it was intense. I let my inner Walter free there, even though I am well known as the resident Dudeist/Buddhisty guy, it is simply the best place to have a knock down drag out debate. Left, right or center you can argue your point of view and call the others idiots, but bring fax and sauce, or the trolls will eat you alive.
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No dude, you had nothing to do with cakes leaving...it was mostly my doing..I lit the spark and fanned the flames.
He was too good for the likes of us anyway.
He may be a little bit of a reactionary, but Cakebelly is a very special and talented dude...I consider it an honor to be able to call him friend.
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Hey, that's what I wanted to say, er put me down as doubling the sentiment.
I just think he bailed too early, we hardly got into the meat of the matter, and his opinions are valued, even if we don't always agree.
@ thinking dude
QuoteIf I am stepping out of the norm to the dudeism way someone message me and help me get a clue.
Then maybe you should have read more of the posts around the forum and got a general understanding of the way we do things around here before you got on your high horse and started demanding that everyone steps into line with your way of thinking! You are not in the Navy now and no one has to do things "your way" mate.
I'm still pissed off that a thread has been locked and you are the one I'm pissed off at!
Quote from: Caesar dude on August 27, 2011, 02:01:55 PM
@ thinking dude
QuoteIf I am stepping out of the norm to the dudeism way someone message me and help me get a clue.
Then maybe you should have read more of the posts around the forum and got a general understanding of the way we do things around here before you got on your high horse and started demanding that everyone steps into line with your way of thinking! You are not in the Navy now and no one has to do things "your way" mate.
I'm still pissed off that a thread has been locked and you are the one I'm pissed off at!
Ok, well, maybe ThinkingDude just needs to be eased into the flow around here. I can understand tensions are running a little high at the moment, but any pointing of fingers, from or toward anyone won't solve anything.
And, you know what, I just started a thread of peace and calm today: http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2599.msg22245#new
It takes one side to step down from this sort of tension to help cool the fire. I was a little pee'd that ThinkingDude had gone on his anti-troll campaign, but with some gentle, peaceful, enlightening talk on both sides I think we calmed that over at the jacking thread: http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2591.msg22255;topicseen#msg22255 I'm over the troll-calling thing, we're settling on that issue, and I'm even over the bit where he's only interested in knowing about people from the US (yes, that's a jest) ;)
Now, the locking subject... I don't see it as such a big deal. Afterall, we're still talking. No one has been censored, it's just that the flow has been redirected away from what was fast becoming a flood plain. To be honest, I don't want to revisit that exact conversation anytime soon because a) there's a lot of personal hurt in there, and b) I'm no so happy about the lengths I felt I needed to go to to defend myself and resolve my personal issue. I won't go back and edit those posts, I won't self-censor, what's said is said, but, hells, I don't want to talk around those posts. I'm happy talking in this post, or any other about how we move on.
So, I'm just saying, Ceaser, I think a few softer words will serve better here to resolve this than adding more fuel to the fire
QuoteI'm still pissed off that a thread has been locked and you are the one I'm pissed off at!
I've been on the end of this blamegame thing this week, and it's only reinforced my position to disarm and let things be. I understand you're upset about some things that have gone down here, but I'll hope you see your way to holding back a little, show some of the nice-guy Ceaser we all know and love. I know you have the name of a war-monger, but, we all know you're not that guy :)
Peace, friends?
i dont know, i was offline awhile and was a wee bit floored to see that there had been strife amongst us.
i think 'marvelous' brings us( at least ME) back to the dude'tude; simple, and almost as good as saying 'vagina' to bring things back to the simplicity and ease we all enjoy.
Hey Ed. I hear you and I understand what you're saying and I will leave it if you will do the same with reference to continuing to mention the hurt you feel about the incident. However I have one further thing to say to Mr. Deep Thinking Dude. and it is this....
He stated
QuoteAny forum that you adide in has the same thing going on with trolls and such.
We haven't noticed any Trolls on this board until he arrived...a troll is there to spread dissension and upset amongst the forum members..maybe stir up some reactions and generally annoy other forum members...sound familiar???? oh And if the cap fits then wear it Thinking Dude!
So with that off my chest can we now play nice and get the dudeism Forum back to where it was last week, a place where consenting adults can say what they like where they like without anyone "running off to teacher" to complain that the big boys are ignoring him and won't let him play.
Peace dudes.
Heard and understood Ceaser, old bean!
I think a group shaking of hands is in order. Or, if you're into the whole touchy-feely thing, a group hug :D
Just a thought on "thread jacking." In many cases threads go for a long time more or less maintaining a focused subject, but it is not unusual for a thread to "morph" into new, and sometimes varied topics, that only partially relate to the original topic or not at all. We have all seen this happen.
If a thread has been deliberately hi-jacked, we can fix it in several ways, including locking it, kicking out a troll, asking a dude to stop such behavior, etc., but most of the time, and almost 99.99% of the time here on the Dudeism board, trolling has not been a problem. I think we have only had one actual troll, some un-dude calling himself "Waldo" who Ollie gave the boot many moons ago. He hasn't been heard from since as far as I know.
So, let new thoughts and opinions flow in a thread, you never know where a thread will creatively go; perhaps new ideas, concepts and observations. And, I think everyone here is very dude like, mellow and knows how to abide without having to be told. This is an awesome group of dudes! All of you are great people to know!
Anyway, lets all keep our minds limber and open. Yes, there are rules, this is not Nam, but this is not fascism either.
OK, now I'm going bowling.
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on August 27, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Just a thought on "thread jacking." In many cases threads go for a long time more or less maintaining a focused subject, but it is not unusual for a thread to "morph" into new, and sometimes varied topics, that only partially relate to the original topic or not at all. We have all seen this happen.
If a thread has been deliberately hi-jacked, we can fix it in several way, including locking it, kicking out a troll, asking a dude to stop such behavior, etc., but most of the time, and almost 99.99% of the time here on the Dudeism board, trolling has not been a problem. I think we have only had one actual troll, some un-dude calling himself "Waldo" who Ollie gave the boot many moons ago. He hasn't been heard from since as far as I know.
So, let new thoughts and opinions flow in a thread, you never know where a thread will creatively go; perhaps new ideas, concepts and observations. And, I think everyone here is very dude like, mellow and knows how to abide without having to be told. This is an awesome group of dudes! All of you are great people to know!
Anyway, lets all keep our minds limber and open. Yes, there are rules, this is not Nam, but this is not fascism either.
OK, now I'm going bowling.
you know... you said it better than even i tried to... i probably shouldn't post when i'm feeling exasperated and edgy. thank you DB for your words of abidance xox
@Busmum and @thinkingdude
Cool, no problemo, mangs. I think any thread, within reasonable limits, can be a work in progress. Sometimes that alone can keep a thread interesting as new shit comes to light in it. Hell, sometimes even when a thread gets out of control it can be a blast, fun to read and mentality digest!
And, I think the nature of thread jacking really is just one dipshit trying to get all of the limelight and not sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Hey man, its all righteous, we're all abiding in our own way.
Good words DB.
@thinkingdude and @Caesar dude ..............
Thanks dudes. Fortunately the Dudeism forum here abouts has a boat load of great people who contribute post after post of quality material. It never seems to stop and I for one can't even keep up with it all! What I do get a chance to read helps keep my mind limber in an uptight world. Marvelous stuff, man!
I amazed at peoples reactions to thread jacking.
I either respond or leave it alone.
Nuff said.
I mean I hate to state the obvious but why aren't people posting these concerns in the actual thread that is getting Jacked rather than tryna set down overall rules. If you aren't happy with what people are doing to a thread you started or even didn't start post a reply stating it.
Isn't this a bit like running to the teacher when something doesn't go your way on the playground?
QuoteIsn't this a bit like running to the teacher when something doesn't go your way on the playground?
Like this you mean? ;D ;D
Quotea place where consenting adults can say what they like where they like without anyone "running off to teacher" to complain that the big boys are ignoring him and won't let him play.
Yep Biker dude you nailed it.
I believe we have decided to move on from this but it still rankles that because of one person who wasn't happy about the way WE do things around here managed to get a thread locked "because it was a good idea"
Peace dude.
It might be a philosophy already a part of many a path, but I think it is worthy enough to be included in any Dudeism philosophy; and that would be "respect all opinions and agree to disagree." Key point; "Agree to disagree."
The "agree to disagree" outlook, IMHO, is a necessary part of the growth of Dudeism thinking because as Dudeism evolves it is sure to have input from many many different people, points of view, cultures, backgrounds, education, etc., and there is no way all Dudes will see eye to eye on everything. That just isn't going to happen. Having said that, it is axiomatic that all opinions and short comings be treated with respect and a dude like attitude. After all, who here is perfect and all wise?
One dude said it this way.......
"In the essentials, let there be unity; in the non-essentials, let there be diversity; but in all things, let there be charity." Of course, there can be debate as to what is "essential" and what is "nonessential," but I think you dudes know what I'm saying. It's an attitude of maturity, fearless in the face of diverse opinion, acceptance of the human faults of others (I sure have mine) and a dude like enlightened vision.
Hey dudes, look at this way; you are making history by embracing a new and fascinating world view that could and should go on for centuries, if not longer. The "way of the dude" is just getting off it's feet. All opinions are welcome, but lets wield them with charity.
It's OK to be passionate about our points of view (it would be rather dull if you weren't), and even be bereaved about some "silly idea" of another dude, but were not saps!
It will take the group mind of all dudes to develop Dudeism into a working practical philosophy that the world will respect and hopefully embrace.
As always, all IMHO, dudes. ;)
Abide in peace.
just for the record, thinking dude just suggested that the thread be closed because it veered off topic. and i agreed. but then people complained. so i opened it. we're not trying to slam anyone here.
no one is at fault here. and no one is trying to cut your dickscussion off. we're sympathizing here, dudes. and by that i mean, we're just trying to facilitate good and earnest communication.
you see what happens? you see what happens? what happens is, people express their opinions and their opinions are taken into account.
that's how we roll. there may be rules, but they aren't league bylaws carved into moses' tablets of 3000 years of beautiful tradition. we're still trying to figure them out. and they're up for revision all the time.
so let's just keep on making it to practice... that's the way the whole durn dudeist comedy keeps perpetuatin itself.
Quote from: forumdude on August 30, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
that's the way the whole durn dudeist comedy keeps perpetuatin itself.
Fuckin' eh! ;)
I'm not sure why there's a continued grievance. Thinkingdude explined himself about trolling, we explained that wasn't what was going on, he worked out how we do things, everything was cool, I thought.
There were no incidents of pissing on anyone-elses' rug (abiding or otherwise) apart from one explosion, and that wasn't anything to do with TD in the slightest. I'm not gonna call for a shaking of hands again, I guess it's too late for that, but... hells, I still just don't see the issue :/