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Title: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 09, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
Being an updating map of riots across London as it happens! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.558503%2C-0.055275&spn=0.114195%2C0.298691)
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 09, 2011, 10:28:43 AM
Yeah M dude, WTF? Why all the violent un-dudeness in England? Was checking out the BBC..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14453918

These people need to take it easy.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 09, 2011, 11:29:18 AM
there's some talk about social and economic reasons but the twitter verse and media don't seem to suggest such co-ordinated and reasoned background to the problem.

It just seems that opportunists are using twitter to create flash riot techniques by trying to cause the police to be as thinly spread as possible.

If it continues tonight we could have martial law and the army on the streets of London.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 09, 2011, 11:33:35 AM
Live coverage (if you can get it outside UK)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

quote:
1634: A Hackney local tells BBC 5 Live: "When you've got bankers taking their bonuses and MP's taking money off people like me for their moats, and their chateaus and their castles, this is the result."
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 09, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
New version of updating map as other map handed over to the Guardian. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/aug/09/uk-riots-incident-map)
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 09, 2011, 11:51:52 AM
I am sure there are those with good reason and good intention, but likely the anarchists are having a bit of fun, like nihilists, they believe in nossing.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 09, 2011, 12:19:38 PM
There is a few reports of people already arrested and gone through court, who have come into London especially for the riot.

I am aware that we are only getting the BBC's version of the events so far, time will tell.

I'm waiting for a Brighton group (http://www.schnews.org.uk/index.php) I'm a member of to make a comment.

They are a good source of alternative info for such things.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 09, 2011, 12:47:48 PM
We here in the states are confused, it seems pointless, no offense, but why all the fire?
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 09, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Last night the town I was born in was "under siege".  There's a video of a small band of police arriving in riot gear and then being chased off by a wave of rioting youths with improvised weapons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib5edeXXEN0

Tonight my whole home area is boarding itself up and preparing for what might happen.

Saddest thing I heard so far was that a 144 year old family-run furniture shop was burnt down.  Five generations made that business a success for themselves and 15 current employees.  That's more than just history and current economy right there, all gone up in literal smoke :(
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 09, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
What ever happened to the "sit in"? It sadly seems as rioting for rioting's sake. Best of luck Rev Ed, all you Dudes over there, I hope you all fare well. Remember to take er easy for all those sinners, on both sides.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 09, 2011, 05:38:35 PM
Hey M dude, you aren't in any danger area, are you? Hope you're OK, dude. Take care, man.

Watching the live coverage, crazy shit, man. Hope the police dudes can get it under control as quick as possible.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: 4weeddude on August 09, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Get use to this kind of SHIT because of greed and ignorance (War Machines and the Wealthy) this is comming to your town soon ...... to many people and not enough to go around ...... in school they taught you this ..... history always repeats and Rome always falls .........  Duh......... we will leave this all in ruins but fortunately ........ Mother Nature Bats last .... she will get rid of every trace of us in time ......
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 09, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
If you're gonna be worried for anyone, think of the next few days the Dudely Lama's in London, with only a few chilled out Italian guys and a couple of old weardy beardy brits to keep him safe ;)
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: cakebelly on August 09, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
"If you're gonna be worried for anyone, think of the next few days the Dudely Lama's in London, with only a few chilled out Italian guys and a couple of old weardy beardy brits to keep him safe"

I had to surrender a wry smile at that - come the hour, come the Dude! He needs to walk among the people with his 'all-pacifying knees' on display.  Hey, have you guys thought about taking him to Speakers Corner?

I heard that Dudestock went well despite the weather and that 2500 clams was raised for the premature baby unit (according to York Local News) - well done all Dudes.

I wanted to do 'Police and Thieves' but that's 6 mins long and I got bored: http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ (http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ)
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 10, 2011, 05:30:16 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on August 09, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
If you're gonna be worried for anyone, think of the next few days the Dudely Lama's in London, with only a few chilled out Italian guys and a couple of old weardy beardy brits to keep him safe ;)

I am trained in a couple of martial arts!

;D
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 10, 2011, 05:43:26 AM
Quote from: cakebelly on August 09, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
...I wanted to do 'Police and Thieves' but that's 6 mins long and I got bored: http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ (http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ)

That is excellent Cake it actually made a shiver run up my spine.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 10, 2011, 05:50:27 AM
Yo, rioters; This is not Nam. This is bowling. There are rules...........

HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?  AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE RULES?  MARK IT ZERO!

You happy, you crazy fuck rioters?

OK then.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: DigitalBuddha on August 10, 2011, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on August 10, 2011, 05:43:26 AM
Quote from: cakebelly on August 09, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
...I wanted to do 'Police and Thieves' but that's 6 mins long and I got bored: http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ (http://youtu.be/p-hD5mhuPSQ)

That is excellent Cake it actually made a shiver run up my spine.

Way cool vid, man.


Cake dude.....the video artist.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 10, 2011, 06:08:07 AM
Quote from: DigitalBuddha on August 09, 2011, 05:38:35 PM
Hey M dude, you aren't in any danger area, are you? Hope you're OK, dude. Take care, man.

Watching the live coverage, crazy shit, man. Hope the police dudes can get it under control as quick as possible.

There was a little arson in Pompey (http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Hampshire/Portsmouth/PO6/News/Local-News/203321-Evacuees-from-Southsea-Fire-Spend-Night-at-Rest-Centre) last night but co-incidental and no rioting. More likely protest against Harry Redknap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Redknapp), who owns property near to the fire and has refused to allow social housing (http://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns/housing_issues/Improving_social_housing/what_is_social_housing) to be built near it.

So far the riots haven't come near the museum (Natural History Museum).

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_atbFs0GoO_Y/TOmn2rTEIvI/AAAAAAAACDA/Mg8wXRhh8HQ/s1600/natural_history.jpg)
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 10, 2011, 06:16:30 AM
And this is from a friend here at work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YItK1izQIwo&feature=youtu.be

Nick Clegg "warns" of riots if Tories are elected (11Apr10).
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Basil on August 10, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Man! Sending my regards to all the dudes in england. Watch out for all the nhilists reactionaries out there.
They are being veeerrrrry undude man
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 10, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
A proper protest ends in a party, not a riot.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: BikerDude on August 10, 2011, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: 4weeddude on August 09, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Get use to this kind of SHIT because of greed and ignorance (War Machines and the Wealthy) this is comming to your town soon ...... to many people and not enough to go around ...... in school they taught you this ..... history always repeats and Rome always falls .........  Duh......... we will leave this all in ruins but fortunately ........ Mother Nature Bats last .... she will get rid of every trace of us in time ......
Don't get me wrong these are real paraquat that would resort to this sort of stuff but
sadly I would have to agree that this is almost inevitable.
I fear that there is at least one  glitch in the fundamental premises that our global economic infrastructure is built upon. The proverbial chickens are coming home to roost. We aren't the first to see this coming and we've managed to stave off the coming of the dead end generation. But it's like water behind the walls of New Orleans. Eventually the Levee is gonna break.

"One Generation got old, one generation got soul. This generation got no destination to hold"

When are we gonna run out of bubbles? And when is the pathetiically inadequate "trickle down" gonna dry up entirely.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 10, 2011, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on August 10, 2011, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: 4weeddude on August 09, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Get use to this kind of SHIT because of greed and ignorance (War Machines and the Wealthy) this is comming to your town soon ...... to many people and not enough to go around ...... in school they taught you this ..... history always repeats and Rome always falls .........  Duh......... we will leave this all in ruins but fortunately ........ Mother Nature Bats last .... she will get rid of every trace of us in time ......

When the Dude rises, this is our calling, bring the chill and bring authenticity. Money is not the only form of wealth, I postulate that us poor Dudes are some of the wealthiest around.

Sadly I would have to agree with this.
I fear that there is at least one  glitch in the fundamental premises that our global economic infrastructure is built upon. The proverbial chickens are coming home to roost. We aren't the first to perceive this coming and we've managed to stave off the coming of the dead end generation. But it's like water behind the walls of New Orleans.
Tenuous at best.
"One Generation got old, one generation got soul. This generation got no destination to hold"

When are we gonna run out of bubbles? And when is the pathetiically inadequate "trickle down" gonna dry up entirely.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: BikerDude on August 10, 2011, 12:49:47 PM
QuoteWhen the Dude rises, this is our calling, bring the chill and bring authenticity. Money is not the only form of wealth, I postulate that us poor Dudes are some of the wealthiest around.

Yeah but you gotta feed the monkey.
And our ability to abide depends on our freedoms and relative security, including economic security.
A lack of material wealth is fine if we choose it.
If it's a screw job then it's a question of our basic freedoms.

I'm staying. Finishing my Coffee.


Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Gary (revgms) on August 10, 2011, 01:00:08 PM
It's a very complicated case, lotta strands in ole duders head.

Check out Buddhist economics, developed in the 50s it is the basis for Bhutan's economy. Gross National Happiness, instead of GNP.

Nothing wrong with making money, what matters is how you made it, and what you do with it.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 16, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
A look-back at last week's UK riots from one of our fore-most curmudgeonly satirists, Charlie Brooker:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/14/charlie-brooker-prevent-more-riots?INTCMP=SRCH

If you don't know who he is... it might help to know the style in which he presents himself before you read it.  It helps to picutre it as part of his Newswipe program, so here's a quick clip to put you in the mood for the article:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45r6_HJtsqI
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: meekon5 on August 16, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Charlie Brooker He is like a god of sarcasm.

I miss his computer game related program (Gameswipe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIb8JdoWF00)), only place where someone would call a pile of crap a pile of crap.
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Rev. Ed C on August 16, 2011, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on August 16, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Charlie Brooker He is like a god of sarcasm.

I miss his computer game related program (Gameswipe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIb8JdoWF00)), only place where someone would call a pile of crap a pile of crap.

Gameswipe, Newswipe and Screenwipe are the holy trinity of media-accountability shows.  If you've acted like a prick and made a pointless TV show that glorifies stupidity, or made a game without a plot and dialouge as shallow as the scrap of paper you wrote it on, or if you've spent all day reporting on snow instead of actual news... he'll be there to tell you to quit your day job and leave us all the fuck alone :D
Title: Re: Babylon Is Burning!
Post by: Caesar dude on August 16, 2011, 05:33:36 PM
QuoteCheck out Buddhist economics, developed in the 50s it is the basis for Bhutan's economy

Whow...someone else who knows about Bhutan!

Yeah they have a superb grasp on politics and tourism...

My special lady friend and I decided to pick a random place from an atlas and go there...we chose Bhutan.....and were planning our trip for next year...even going so far as to enrole us both on TEFLA course so we could stay for six months or so....of course as you know this is on hold for a bit.

Tears now.

Peace dudes.