I just don't get it
Damn.
Well, I used to kinda like their music when I was a kid.
OK, I like some big corporate rock bands, but these guys took the cake. They set the standard for $200-400 tickets for reunion tours of watching a bunch of burnouts play their old stuff. I can't do it. I think they're a bit arrogant.
Just my opinion, man...
It's OK to hate me on this one.
They kind of remind me of the Backstreet boys of their era, dude.
Quote from: ozzy85 on May 12, 2008, 12:30:41 AM
Damn.
Well, I used to kinda like their music when I was a kid.
OK, I like some big corporate rock bands, but these guys took the cake. They set the standard for $200-400 tickets for reunion tours of watching a bunch of burnouts play their old stuff. I can't do it. I think they're a bit arrogant.
Just my opinion, man...
It's OK to hate me on this one.
Fuck it Dude, lets go bowling.
They're so boreeee....welcome to the hotel californiazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: ozzy85 on May 12, 2008, 12:30:41 AM
Damn.
Well, I used to kinda like their music when I was a kid.
OK, I like some big corporate rock bands, but these guys took the cake. They set the standard for $200-400 tickets for reunion tours of watching a bunch of burnouts play their old stuff. I can't do it. I think they're a bit arrogant.
Just my opinion, man...
It's OK to hate me on this one.
OK, I can understand a little better now. Never having seen them live, or tried to buy tickets I just didn't have a point of reference. I was like alittle child who wanders in in the middle of a movie... and Andrea, I couldn't hate you if I tried :-)
Look, nobody calls me Andrea. You got the wrong girl. I'm the Dudette, man. ;D
I actually kind of like the Eagles...parts anyway (the stuff from the early to mid-'70s). Those songs were always on the a.m. radio when I was a kid. Nostalgia, I guess. Their late '70s stuff (New Kid in Town, Heartbreak Tonight, etc...or whatever it's called) gets the same reaction from me that the Dude had.
I think I saw a show or a documentary once that said the Eagles were looked down on by more serious rock/country afficianados because they were, as some have pointed out here, corporate fabrications (i.e., not authentic). ???
If my memory's correct (and I can't confirm or disconfirm that), then that might explain why the Dude hates them so much. Sort of ultra watered down CCR?
Quote from: SmokeytheBuddha on May 28, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
I actually kind of like the Eagles...parts anyway (the stuff from the early to mid-'70s). Those songs were always on the a.m. radio when I was a kid. Nostalgia, I guess. Their late '70s stuff (New Kid in Town, Heartbreak Tonight, etc...or whatever it's called) gets the same reaction from me that the Dude had.
I think I saw a show or a documentary once that said the Eagles were looked down on by more serious rock/country afficianados because they were, as some have pointed out here, corporate fabrications (i.e., not authentic). ???
If my memory's correct (and I can't confirm or disconfirm that), then that might explain why the Dude hates them so much. Sort of ultra watered down CCR?
I always saw the Eagles as I would see the fucking Archies.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeILsf1EGmo
Hey, man, Reggie could jam...
The Archies? Ouch, man! Hahahahaha!!! :D
Interestingly, according to VH1's Behind the Music, after the band broke up, Betty ended up working with Jackie Treehorn Productions:
http://www.comicvine.com/comic/cherry/6834/&i=20685&f=y
By then, apparently Jackie still couldn't afford to invest in story, production value, feeling.
Quote from: SmokeytheBuddha on May 30, 2008, 07:08:31 AM
Interestingly, according to VH1's Behind the Music, after the band broke up, Betty ended up working with Jackie Treehorn Productions:
http://www.comicvine.com/comic/cherry/6834/&i=20685&f=y
By then, apparently Jackie still couldn't afford to invest in story, production value, feeling.
He fixes the cable? ;D
Quote from: ozzy85 on May 29, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
The Archies? Ouch, man! Hahahahaha!!! :D
Yeah man, they just seem to be in the same genre' to me. Bunch of assholes.
I HATE THE FUCKING EAGLES MAN!
Quote from: Turtle on June 02, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
I HATE THE FUCKING EAGLES MAN!
Fuck you man! You don't like my fucking music, get your own fucking cab!
I've had a had a rough night, and I hate the fucking Eagles, man.
That's it...outta my fucking cab!
Maaaang!!!
The Chief of Police in Malibu, a real reactionary.
The Eagles.............bunch of assholes.
Little matter to me that the Eagles chose to pursue a career in boring canned commercial shitty music, nor that they have been "banging" the public, to use the parlance of our times.
The Eagles were the "Autobahn" of Californian Soft Rock of the '70s!
But one distubing thing...Have you ever seen a photo of Glenn Frey in, say, 1973? Let's just say he would be very striking in a pair of jellies and a bathrobe.
Quote from: digbys kid on October 01, 2008, 03:33:12 PM
The Eagles were the "Autobahn" of Californian Soft Rock of the '70s!
But one distubing thing...Have you ever seen a photo of Glenn Frey in, say, 1973? Let's just say he would be very striking in a pair of jellies and a bathrobe.
Yeah, but he's a pervert, dude.
Quote from: digitalbuddha on October 06, 2008, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: digbys kid on October 01, 2008, 03:33:12 PM
The Eagles were the "Autobahn" of Californian Soft Rock of the '70s!
But one distubing thing...Have you ever seen a photo of Glenn Frey in, say, 1973? Let's just say he would be very striking in a pair of jellies and a bathrobe.
Yeah, but he's a pervert, dude.
With records!
He did six nights in Chino, flashing himself to eighty year olds.
Quote from: digitalbuddha on October 06, 2008, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: digbys kid on October 01, 2008, 03:33:12 PM
The Eagles were the "Autobahn" of Californian Soft Rock of the '70s!
But one distubing thing...Have you ever seen a photo of Glenn Frey in, say, 1973? Let's just say he would be very striking in a pair of jellies and a bathrobe.
Yeah, but he's a pervert, dude.
But let's not forget, let's not forget, he saved Joe Walsh from a darkness warshing over him, darker than a steer's tookus on a moonless night. Am I wrong?
Much like Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, the Eagles suck because all their good songs are the ones written and sung by one member of the band (Neil Young for CSNY and Don Henley for the Eagles). The rest of the songs are all 1970s AM radio make-out music. They were an LA-based AM radio pop group masquarading as a Southern Rock band, but they couldn't hold a candle to The Allman Brothers or Lynerd Skynerd.
Don Henley, on the other hand, abides.
Quote from: SmokeytheBuddha on May 28, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
I actually kind of like the Eagles...parts anyway (the stuff from the early to mid-'70s). Those songs were always on the a.m. radio when I was a kid. Nostalgia, I guess. Their late '70s stuff (New Kid in Town, Heartbreak Tonight, etc...or whatever it's called) gets the same reaction from me that the Dude had.
I think I saw a show or a documentary once that said the Eagles were looked down on by more serious rock/country afficianados because they were, as some have pointed out here, corporate fabrications (i.e., not authentic). ???
If my memory's correct (and I can't confirm or disconfirm that), then that might explain why the Dude hates them so much. Sort of ultra watered down CCR?
I've always kind of liked the Eagles too man, but I dig the "corporate" band idea, there's been a few of those, the Beatles were pretty phony too, as far as that goes.
Pretty Maids All In a Row still turns me on.
I know why the Dude hates the fucking Eagles man, it's something else completely. Dig the cabbie's hat. 8)
I think the reason that scene is in there is because the Dude had a rough day and the song on the raido is "Take it Easy" - a line that pops up time and time again in the film. At this point, the Dude is finding it exceptionally hard to take it easy and the song just sounds like it's making fun of him.
But yeah, I also agree that they were victims of their own success. Whenever a band portrays an image of roots-based freewheeling drifters who party hard, they're going to suffer a backlash when they become part of the establishment. Glen Frey's acting career didn't help much.
Also, Hotel California is not just overplayed in the States. It's probably the most overplayed song in the world. Ever teenager in the world learns to play (and sadly, sing) Hotel California on their guitar within the first few months. In Thailand it's especially bad. We refer to local cover bands as "Hotel California" bands. It's awful. Like Stairway to Heaven, it's a great song that has all the poetry squeezed out of it by overexposure.
But there also could be more to it. California has long been seen as a golden land of opportunity, where the world's misfits all descend to carve out a new life. But the reality of it is far shoddier. The movie does a good job of capturing that obsessive sense of self-reinvention and pandering that many people in L.A. are prone to be bedeviled by. The Gypsy Kings version of Hotel California drives this point home insofar as it's The Jesus' theme song. And probably the Dude hates all the seedy, phony, self-indulgent side of California Dreamin'. Ergo, he hates the Eagles.
Yeah, those are some cool ideas forumdude, no doubt, the "Take it Easy" part especially, but those are very tangential (except "Take it Easy) to the actual scene, and somewhat subjective. I prefer to analyze the actual information in the scene to inform my suppositions.
I don't know the protocol around here, I understand that some groups are sensitive to new information coming to light, in the parlance of our times. My insight ties together these elements: The cabbie's hat, his cultural affiliation and subsequent likelihood of being a rabid Eagles fan, his unethical, overly aggressive behavior, and the term "the Eagles" and what it may mean, other than the band. It ties directly to the check scene at Ralph's. Can I share this here? The square community may take offense, I am not here for that.
I also recognize the incredible depth of this film, and how it informs many different and worthy opinions, yours included.
ah, i getcha. yeah, i think that the cabbie is not meant to be conflated with the saddamites. that hat is just a typical african beanie, even in parts of africa that are not islamic.
still, it's an interesting angle heretofore unproposed.
the big lebowski contains virtually every race/nationality of people and the cab driver was just one among many: germans (4), italians (2), poles (4+), greeks (1), swedes (1), jews (1/2), latinos (2), chinamen (1), english (1), irish (1), and so on...
Another unexpected response, and also informative. The African beanie thing is helpful, I have another take on it entirely. I see it as a Mason's cap.
http://www.the3dstudio.com/product_details.aspx?id_product=79360
no shit! the cabbie is a freemason? that had not occurred to us, dude. my thinking about this case has become very uptight. fill us in on the details.
Thank you for being so cool, forumdude! 8)
First off, I think that you are correct when you suggest why the Dude hates the Eagles, vis a vis the corporate sellout idea. There is also a deeper meaning.
The cabbie wears a Mason's, cap, yes, but we need more than that. Black dudes in general are not big fans of country music, (yes, there are exceptions, I know that.) so your typical white dude (like me) is going to question why the cabbie is so militant about the Eagles. That's what the directors intended. Also, let's not forget, that the cabbie is clearly violating the livery regs. by dumping the Dude on the road like that, so uncool. That cabbie is very uptight about the Eagles.
Here we veer into the esoteric. They cast a black dude because black dudes are known to refer to each other as "brothers". That begs the question, what other group wears a Mason's cap and call themselves "brothers"?
Now we must connect this to the Eagles. Remember the cheque at Ralph's? There is a treasure trove of esoterica in that cheque.
The Dudes account number adds up to 42.
The cheque is for 69 cents. That's not the correct price for that Half and half.
These are occult numbers. 42=Many things, including the "meaning of life". 69=love. It is also the zodiac sign for Cancer. Freeze the film at the right moment and the dude's finger points to 42, while his "pen" is pointing to 69. The meaning of life is love. How dudely.
Now we focus on the fish. An early symbol of Christ, of course, but this is a specific breed of fish. It's a pike. Not just any pike. How do you connect this pike to the Eagles? Put a name on it. Let's call it Albert. Albert Pike.
This dude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
http://web.archive.org/web/20060223081418/http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/temple-files/pillars.html
Note the golden eagle that flies above his tomb. The window was installed in 1990, the year of the Dude's big adventure.
There is much more Masonic symbolism in the film. Seek and ye shall find.
Edit: It turns out that the pike is actually a blue whale. Color my face red. Kinda deflates that little fishy bit, but I'll let it stand because it may have some value anyway. Sorry for the confusion. Reality keeps fuckin' with me.
Blue whale hunting was outlawed in the '60s. Is the Dude a blue whale?
Without The Eagles, there would have been no "New Country" music. For that alone, they must be despised.
With the exception of Don Henley. His solo stuff is excellent.
I saw a post elsewhere suggesting that the Eagles reference is also meant to include Eagle Rock, Ca. Any ideas dudes?
No Country has a hotel called Eagle Pass, I think.