8) Something for Walter.............
Real Homemade Pulse Gun. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUXXGbNS8oY
See Gene Roddenberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry) was right after all!
Quote from: meekon5 on May 17, 2011, 08:31:36 AM
See Gene Roddenberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry) was right after all!
Gene Roddenberry; for sure a dude.
Amateurs!
http://youtu.be/HyAl9qK3Rlg
I said mark it zero!
I'll raise you one light photon...
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtzRAjW6KO0
I built a greenhouse destroying catapult when I was 12...made out of wood and 6" nails (the ammo was bent 6" nails) and really strong rubber bands.... keeerist what I could have done with this!!! :)
Peace and passive destruction dudes...
See I wasn't so much ballistics when I was a kid I was more incendiary (technically I think they call it arson).
Am I the only one around here who isn't that in touch with his destructive side? I've always had a problem with the glorification of weaponry, especially modern guns that seem all too accessible in a lot of supposedly forward-thinking countries.
Despite what those guys in the aborted Dudeism documentary seemed to imply, guns are not dudely. I mean, I think archery should be considered a nice relaxing passtime, as long as you're aiming at wicker targets, not live ones, but I wouldn't advocate so much dudely worth to it, in spite of it's zenlike nature. Well, maybe when the world, as a whole, learns some greater sense of responsibility... which, let's face it, is not going to be in my lifespan :)
I simply don't see how someone with such a destructive property to it can be glorified, especially around here. I guess I'm just an old wimpy pacifist, like poor Smokey :)
I dabbled in pacifism...still do...Rev..I am 40 and have yet to be in a fistfight of any kind. I'm OK with shooting guns as a skill activity -- although I sucketh.
I also dabbled in bottle rockets in my day..but they weren't too destructive...except my dog tried to a eat a few low flyers.
One has to wonder what may have happened at the end if the Dude and Donny's attempts at appeasement had won the day rather than Walter's "what's mine is mine" stand. We don't know how much Walter was carrying but because he chose non-pacifism, one man lost his ear and Donny died..plus Flea at least sustained internal bowling ball injuries..
I think I recall ...the Dude had $4 and Donny had $14 or $18..ever the pragmatists.
Would any of you ponied up to the nihilists or would you chose to fight?
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 18, 2011, 07:34:38 AM
Am I the only one around here who isn't that in touch with his destructive side? I've always had a problem with the glorification of weaponry, especially modern guns that seem all too accessible in a lot of supposedly forward-thinking countries.
Despite what those guys in the aborted Dudeism documentary seemed to imply, guns are not dudely. I mean, I think archery should be considered a nice relaxing passtime, as long as you're aiming at wicker targets, not live ones, but I wouldn't advocate so much dudely worth to it, in spite of it's zenlike nature. Well, maybe when the world, as a whole, learns some greater sense of responsibility... which, let's face it, is not going to be in my lifespan :)
I simply don't see how someone with such a destructive property to it can be glorified, especially around here. I guess I'm just an old wimpy pacifist, like poor Smokey :)
I also share your sentiments Dude. I've always have preferred peace over fighting.
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 18, 2011, 07:34:38 AM
Am I the only one around here who isn't that in touch with his destructive side? I've always had a problem with the glorification of weaponry, especially modern guns that seem all too accessible in a lot of supposedly forward-thinking countries.
Despite what those guys in the aborted Dudeism documentary seemed to imply, guns are not dudely. I mean, I think archery should be considered a nice relaxing passtime, as long as you're aiming at wicker targets, not live ones, but I wouldn't advocate so much dudely worth to it, in spite of it's zenlike nature. Well, maybe when the world, as a whole, learns some greater sense of responsibility... which, let's face it, is not going to be in my lifespan :)
I simply don't see how someone with such a destructive property to it can be glorified, especially around here. I guess I'm just an old wimpy pacifist, like poor Smokey :)
Nope, you're not the only one, Rev Ed. I've always gotten feelings of power and control by means other than physical violence. :) And I think it would be best if people's destructive impulses were limited to razing condemned buildings and the like.
Gosh...what an outburst....guns are bad...blah blah blah... YES They fucking are! I believe the start of this thread was about some bad ass TOY!
I added my two pennies worth about when I was 12 years old...I then progressed to real guns...and had a bit of a revelation in my late 30's....
I'm a pacifist too...and here's my take on guns....Firing a weapon is not a violent act!
Stabbing someone....or throttling them or clubbing them....all violent.....pulling a trigger...about three ounces of pressure on an automatic weapon...not violent at all....however the destruction that causes...off the scale!
If you're going to wield a double handed sword or launch an arrow from a longbow...you need strength and control...you don't need either of those to shoot a pistol...
I had to go through two weeks of intensive training before I was even allowed to hold a real weapon let alone fire one. This included videos of every type of injury (real up close and personal stuff ) that could be sustained from said weapons. Combat injuries, training "incidents" and just plain "fooling around shit"!
I carried a weapon nearly every day for about 12 years of my life.
Guns are crap but it's people that are useless.
For personal protection i prefer either coffee mugs, bowling bags, or sharp teeth with which to bit off ears.. Or maybe an amphibious rodent for intimidation purpose and that ain't..that ain't legal neither
I thought this was just a bit of fun, not like they are gonna let me have a high impulse shoulder cannon. Just one of those dudes who digs fireworks, I didn't even so much mind the scud blowing up over my head, as we were able to get out of the way and everyone was fine. Thank you Patriot anti missile system.
A gun is only as dangerous as the person wielding it, so I look at the human, not what kind of stick they carry.
Also I dig the Zen of marksmanship, same as archery, mind, muscle and breathe control. I sometimes wonder how many snipers find enlightenment while waiting for a target, and how do you deal with that in the field? Sometimes enlightement comes from the darkest of places.
Now that's fucking interesting man!
I got my zen from being on parade....hours and hours of standing rigid to attention....focusing on a distant point....concentrating on a far distant spot on the horizon....I remember being in an other worldly place just focusing on nothing for hours at a time.... I think it was the Prince of Wales who woke me up! :) I believe I shouted my name at him...paused then yelled SIR!
In the field, waiting for an enemy to arrive...(or not) it served me well....same zen like meditation....then all hell breaks loose (or not) lol
As you said look at the human...but do beware the stick.... :)
Eh, it's just my opinion. I see too many videos posted up of "cool" weapons and people having fun shooting, and I worry it's too much of a promotion of gun usage without any sense of responsibility.
I know that's not the case here, as we're all limber-minded, abiding folks, but still, guns resonate a sense of apprehension with me. I'm not trying to piss on anyone's run with my opinion, just, y'know... put my thoughts out there.
Yeah, guns don't kill people, rappers do... I mean, people do. But yet... how many accidents have people had with guns, including children. Guns, much like war and any sort of violence, for me, belongs in fiction. Great concepts, horrid reality :)
I think it's why I don't play any video games at all....I used to like Spyro the dragon....just flame breath.....no handguns !! :)
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 18, 2011, 07:34:38 AM
Am I the only one around here who isn't that in touch with his destructive side? I've always had a problem with the glorification of weaponry, especially modern guns that seem all too accessible in a lot of supposedly forward-thinking countries.
Despite what those guys in the aborted Dudeism documentary seemed to imply, guns are not dudely. I mean, I think archery should be considered a nice relaxing passtime, as long as you're aiming at wicker targets, not live ones, but I wouldn't advocate so much dudely worth to it, in spite of it's zenlike nature. Well, maybe when the world, as a whole, learns some greater sense of responsibility... which, let's face it, is not going to be in my lifespan :)
I simply don't see how someone with such a destructive property to it can be glorified, especially around here. I guess I'm just an old wimpy pacifist, like poor Smokey :)
I also share your sentiments Dude. I've always have preferred peace over fighting.
Peace is the way of the dude (and mine), but even the dude has to square off at times.
(http://growabrain.typepad.com/growabrain/images/jeff_lebowski.gif)
I didn't mean to diminish Rev Ed C's point, it is valid and worthy of support, it's just I think there is likely going to be some former Walters around here, I know I am one.
That and nature saw fit to load us up with testosterone, and faux violence, paintball, lasertag and video games give us fun ways of burning it up with out causing real harm. Football and other sports do that also, but video games are safer. I read an article about Sakyong Mipham, Trungpa's kid, he loves to play games like MOH and COD, and one can't accuse him of being a warmonger.
That said, I do not want to glorify these things, just to accept their existence. If everyone were enlightened, then it would be meaningless what weapons existed, and then we could get down to the serious business of having fun with noisy dangerous toys.
Oh yeah, safety is number one with guns, get trained even if you never intend to touch one, you never know what might happen. They are very dangerous and the untrained unaware shoot them selves all to often. Never give a child an Uzi, that is just stupid.
This is a tough conversation, so many ins an outs, and I do not disagree with any of the Dudes here, go to the Fox News forum, probably a very different situation.
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 19, 2011, 04:43:20 PM
Gosh...what an outburst....guns are bad...blah blah blah... YES They fucking are! I believe the start of this thread was about some bad ass TOY!
That's a TOY!
Fucking Hell!
BTW conversations here never run the direction they seem to at the start, they just wonder around any way they want.
That's why I like this forum.
Quote from: revgms on May 20, 2011, 07:41:37 AM
That and nature saw fit to load us up with testosterone...
Speak for yourself man :) I've been vegetarian since birth, and my animalistic side is comprised mostly of ape-like grooming rituals. Shout out to all those other chilled-out, fruit-eating urangutans out there 8)
My old post-work mantra was "It's 5 o'clock, time to go home and kill stuff". My main hobbies still consist mostly of taking on the role of an axe-wielding dwarven longbeard and taking out my grudges on things with less hit points than myself. Everyone's gotta have a hobby, even the gun nuts :)
One of the other reasons I prefer archery over gunplay is the ecological aspect. Bows and arrows are made from wood, a naturally replenishable resource and generally speaking you retrieve an arrow, metal-tipped or otherwise, for reuse. Gun and bullet are made from metal and people don't tend to do much with them apart from leave the casings on the ground and the nubs in their targets. With all that waste from one little session of shooting there's probably enough metal lying around to build my granny a replacement hit ;)
Quote from: meekon5 on May 20, 2011, 08:02:12 AM
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 19, 2011, 04:43:20 PM
Gosh...what an outburst....guns are bad...blah blah blah... YES They fucking are! I believe the start of this thread was about some bad ass TOY!
That's a TOY!
Fucking Hell!
Ok, enough of the raised voices, I'm aware it's supposed to be a TOY, I did watch the video :) However, my original point is one of destruction and destructive sides. As I've proceeded to point out, I like fantasy destruction, but I'm not really down on the whole real-life side of destruction. Guns, and indeed TOYs, make me a little nervous if their sole perpose and use is for dangerous, destructive persuits.
What can I say, in the cycle of existance, I'm down with the creators, not the destroyers. Found something I'm not so neutral on, right there... I think I just picked a side :)
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 20, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Ok, enough of the raised voices, I'm aware it's supposed to be a TOY, I did watch the video :) However, my original point is one of destruction and destructive sides. As I've proceeded to point out, I like fantasy destruction, but I'm not really down on the whole real-life side of destruction. Guns, and indeed TOYs, make me a little nervous if their sole perpose and use is for dangerous, destructive persuits.
OK it did get a bit like christmas amongst the psychopaths there for a while (;D).
I have to admit I love my games and films with a high level of gore in them, but that has not turned my into a blood lusting axe wielding loony, well not "axe wielding" at least.
I have hunted with .22 rifles, on a friends farm, mostly vermin (though usually inanimate objects as target practice).
But have not raised my hand in anger for many years now.
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 20, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
What can I say, in the cycle of existance, I'm down with the creators, not the destroyers. Found something I'm not so neutral on, right there... I think I just picked a side :)
Endless creation with out destruction is stagnation, there has to be a yin to the yang. Nothing is forever, nothing lasts, everything is replaced eventually.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 20, 2011, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on May 20, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
What can I say, in the cycle of existance, I'm down with the creators, not the destroyers. Found something I'm not so neutral on, right there... I think I just picked a side :)
Endless creation with out destruction is stagnation, there has to be a yin to the yang. Nothing is forever, nothing lasts, everything is replaced eventually.
Hence my use of the word "cycle" I'm down with being a creator, just need someone else to be a destroyer :) Usuaully I'm the balanced one when it comes to things, but my destructive side is somewhat lacking, so it seems.
Quote from: J. Robert Oppenheimer
Now I am become death the destroyer of worlds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94j9WIWPQQ)
Quote from: meekon5 on May 20, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: J. Robert Oppenheimer
Now I am become death the destroyer of worlds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94j9WIWPQQ)
Yes, well, now, that wasn't a toy, was it? :/
I'm just down on unchecked aggression. "An it harm none, do what ye will."
However, since we all cause harm every day, if only because we eat other living things in order to sustain ourselves, here's where the stickiness ensues: "If it cause harm, do as you must" (second half of the Rede in the Lycian tradition).
Lots of disagreement is floating around on the subject of what we "must" do, especially in regard to waging war.