Greetings fellow duders,
i've got 1 simple question: Why does TBL confront The Dude with "Bunny's" toe? It occurs to me that this meeting is kind of pointless.
TBL accuesed The Dude for not handing out the ransom, which was inevitable, because Walter replaced the ringer with another ringer . All he wanted was the money from the charity's bank account, which he already got at that point, or did i get something wrong at that point? Why doesnt TBL just save the money somewhere and forget about The Dude?
I may have overseen some detail when i re-watched The Big Lebowski, but i worry about this for some days. Please help me out,
i feel kinda undude right now.
Saftinger
Quote from: saftinger on May 02, 2011, 10:40:16 AM
Greetings fellow duders,
i've got 1 simple question: Why does TBL confront The Dude with "Bunny's" toe? It occurs to me that this meeting is kind of pointless.
TBL accuesed The Dude for not handing out the ransom, which was inevitable, because Walter replaced the ringer with another ringer . All he wanted was the money from the charity's bank account, which he already got at that point, or did i get something wrong at that point? Why doesnt TBL just save the money somewhere and forget about The Dude?
I may have overseen some detail when i re-watched The Big Lebowski, but i worry about this for some days. Please help me out,
i feel kinda undude right now.
Saftinger
Good question there saftinger. Will ponder on it for awhile...may even come up with something!
Welcome to our nice quiet beach community dude. 8)
Well right at that moment it's because the Dude says that she kidnapper herself.
The toe was in response.
Also remember it was never 100% established that the Big L didn't put the money in the suitcase.
He had his story Walter and The Dude had theirs. Most of us are of course in the camp that the Big L just wanted the money and a deadbeat to pin it on.
But there is never 100% proof of this. It just makes sense.
That scene actually works toward the other possibility. When Walter and the Dude substituted the ringer that should have played exactly into the Big L's plans. So you are right. Why confront the Dude about not handing over the money.
Lotta in and outs.
i just watched a interview about making the movie with the brothers themselves who say there are all sorts of things that dont make sense in the movie and that they dont see it impeding on the viewers pleasure in watching it in any way. so dont let it, for there are all kinds of things in this movie like your condundrum! the answer to your ( good question) and all the others about plot devices that go nowhere or dont make sense is the ultimate answer. ' fuck it, le'ts go bowling'.
Well, the only reason i can imagine is, first of all, that Brandt wasn't informed from TBL about the scam. I guess the both of them weren't talking too much to each other, for example, when Brandt didn't verify the dude's permission to take any rug he wanted. Brandt didn't talk to TBL about that.
Therefore, when the toe was sent to TBL's house, Brandt opened the letter and found the toe.
TBL didnt' want Brandt to know about the whole scam und pretended to care about Bunny, so he had do confront The Dude with the whole thing.
That's one way, at least for me, to explain it, and it's still like, uhm, my opinion, man.
Saftinger
Quote from: saftinger on May 02, 2011, 10:40:16 AM
Greetings fellow duders,
i've got 1 simple question: Why does TBL confront The Dude with "Bunny's" toe? It occurs to me that this meeting is kind of pointless.
It's not until this meeting that TBL realises that the Dude is on to him and has realised he (the Dude) has been set up as the fall guy.
I think the toe thing was to try and get the Dude to feel guilty and replace the money (that he never had in the first place).
I think TBL was accusing the Dude of not doing his job of handing over the money (even if it was a fake ringer with no cash in it) resulting in the kidnappers cutting off a toe to let TBL know they would fuck Bunny up if they didn't get their cash. But remember, it was all a travesty. TBL was in on the scheme. She kidnapped herself, man.
Quote from: digitalbuddha on May 03, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
I think TBL was accusing the Dude of not doing his job of handing over the money (even if it was a fake ringer with no cash in it) resulting in the kidnappers cutting off a toe to let TBL know they would fuck Bunny up if they didn't get their cash. But remember, it was all a travesty. TBL was in on the scheme. She kidnapped herself, man.
Actually didn't she just piss off to see friends and not tell anyone, possibly except Karl who then tried to capitalise on the situation?
Which then gave TBL the idea of capitalising on the situation.
Which then gave Walter the idea of capitalising on the situation.
I don't think the nihilists actually conspired with Bunny.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 03, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: saftinger on May 02, 2011, 10:40:16 AM
Greetings fellow duders,
i've got 1 simple question: Why does TBL confront The Dude with "Bunny's" toe? It occurs to me that this meeting is kind of pointless.
It's not until this meeting that TBL realises that the Dude is on to him and has realised he (the Dude) has been set up as the fall guy.
I think the toe thing was to try and get the Dude to feel guilty and replace the money (that he never had in the first place).
I don't think the Dude knew at that point he was set up. He was just making excuses for not having handed over the money to the "kidnappers" and didn't really believe that she kidnapped herself. He hooked on to what Walter said to save his ass. Yah, and a real detective story would have made a lot more sense. In TBL, the plot was secondary to the comedy.
Ok dudes, here is the skinny on that scene. The Dude is still pretty much in the dark as to what is really going on. At this time in the story the big Lebowski thinks Bunny has been kidnaped, but as The Dude points out later he is happy to get the strumpet off his hands and is using the kidnaping as an excuse to extract a million from the foundation for his own use. The big Lebowski doesn't know where Bunny really is either, but is now worried that the kidnappers will come after him for the money so this is the scene where he transfers responsibility for the money from himself to The Dude. Once he has done so he tells the kidnappers The Dude has the million dollars. He is now free and clear from suspicion and any harm will fall 10 fold on The Dudes head...not his.
Sounds fair to me CCK Dude........(or board breaker dude as I call you! ) ;D
Quote from: Caesar dude on May 04, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
Sounds fair to me CCK Dude........(or board breaker dude as I call you! ) ;D
Board Breaker?? Sounds exhausting. ;D
One could say that! I prefer mind numbingly tedious! :)
Quote from: cckeiser on May 04, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
Ok dudes, here is the skinny on that scene. The Dude is still pretty much in the dark as to what is really going on. At this time in the story the big Lebowski thinks Bunny has been kidnaped, but as The Dude points out later he is happy to get the strumpet off his hands and is using the kidnaping as an excuse to extract a million from the foundation for his own use. The big Lebowski doesn't know where Bunny really is either, but is now worried that the kidnappers will come after him for the money so this is the scene where he transfers responsibility for the money from himself to The Dude. Once he has done so he tells the kidnappers The Dude has the million dollars. He is now free and clear from suspicion and any harm will fall 10 fold on The Dudes head...not his.
Why would TBL need to talk to the Dude at all before he told the kidnappers the Dude made off with the money? Maybe the toe put a scare into him, but I don't see where it served any purpose to tell the Dude about it. He had already transferred responsibility to the Dude by engaging him to be courier.
Quote from: Outer Element on May 04, 2011, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: cckeiser on May 04, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
Ok dudes, here is the skinny on that scene. The Dude is still pretty much in the dark as to what is really going on. At this time in the story the big Lebowski thinks Bunny has been kidnaped, but as The Dude points out later he is happy to get the strumpet off his hands and is using the kidnaping as an excuse to extract a million from the foundation for his own use. The big Lebowski doesn't know where Bunny really is either, but is now worried that the kidnappers will come after him for the money so this is the scene where he transfers responsibility for the money from himself to The Dude. Once he has done so he tells the kidnappers The Dude has the million dollars. He is now free and clear from suspicion and any harm will fall 10 fold on The Dudes head...not his.
Why would TBL need to talk to the Dude at all before he told the kidnappers the Dude made off with the money? Maybe the toe put a scare into him, but I don't see where it served any purpose to tell the Dude about it. He had already transferred responsibility to the Dude by engaging him to be courier.
Maybe to keep The Dude off guard and worrying about the kidnappers and not catch on he had been set up? Maybe the big Lebowski was hoping it would scare The Dude into leaving town so no one would figure out his scam?
But mainly I think it was because if he did not the audience would never know about the toe. If we did know about the toe there would not have been the diner scene...which really helps to tie the movie together. The limo scene is the segue to the diner scene. Of course we could say why do we need the diner scene, but that is tantamount to saying why do we need TBL movie at all.
Look dudes, I seriously believe the whole Big Lebowski came about from a dream one of the Coen brothers had. I know it happens to me all the time...at least it did, and most of my best stories came from my dreams. Not all of them make a whole lot of sense, but they are darn interesting if I do say so myself. Look at The Little Lebowski the Lennon and I wrote. It all started with a dream I had. I posted the story idea and the Lennon and I took turns writing it up. More often than not one of us would have an idea for a scene and we would exchange ideas by email trying to figure out how to work that scene into the script. If you look as close to our script as you are doing with TBL you will find all kinds of plots and segues that almost work, but not quite.
It was just a means to get from here to there and keep some kind of continuity to the movie. Without the limo scene the diner scene doesn't really work.
Also dudes, at that point in the script the big Lebowski does not know Walter and The Dude did not deliver the money. He also doesn't know The Dude's car and the suitcase were stolen. All he knows is the kidnappers did not get the money. He doesn't know Walter threw out a ringer for the ringer. So by confronting The Dude at this point he is attempting to throw suspicion from himself and trying to see if The Dude takes the bait...he does.
Remember...as a wiser fellow than I once said...The best defense is a good offense. By attacking The Dude he puts him on the defensive.
Quote from: meekon5 on May 03, 2011, 11:02:34 AM
Quote from: digitalbuddha on May 03, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
I think TBL was accusing the Dude of not doing his job of handing over the money (even if it was a fake ringer with no cash in it) resulting in the kidnappers cutting off a toe to let TBL know they would fuck Bunny up if they didn't get their cash. But remember, it was all a travesty. TBL was in on the scheme. She kidnapped herself, man.
Actually didn't she just piss off to see friends and not tell anyone, possibly except Karl who then tried to capitalise on the situation?
Which then gave TBL the idea of capitalising on the situation.
Which then gave Walter the idea of capitalising on the situation.
I don't think the nihilists actually conspired with Bunny.
Yeah, good point, M5 dude. They got the actual toe from of the nihilists' girlfriend. Which would indicate that they were in on the plot. Lotta ins, lotta outs, mang. Need to keep my mind limber.
You know, I'm actually leaning toward the track that
the Big L did put the money in the case.
Which means that Larry flapped a stranger in the Alps.
Hey it's all fiction so you can take either tack. But weighing the scales with a blind eye we have this scene as meager evidence of the money in the case and really no real evidence to support the contrary. Buy the contrary and you gotta buy that the Big L was a faker and could actually walk. Possible but again no evidence. And if the Big L was faking when he face planted then he's a good actor.
I mean if there was no money in the case then why confront the dude at all?
Much as we might want to believe otherwise the money went to a fucking dunce.
And think about the homework assignment. "The Louisiana Purchase."
The acquisition by the United States of America of 828,800 square miles (2,147,000 km2) of France's claim to the territory of Louisiana in 1803. A dispute immediately arose between Spain and the United States regarding the extent of Louisiana. The territory's boundaries had not been defined in the 1762 Treaty of Fontainebleau that ceded it from France to Spain, nor the 1800 Third Treaty of San Ildefonso ceding it back to France, nor the 1803 Louisiana Purchase agreement ceding it to the United States.
A 3 party dispute. Coincidence? I think not.
But the Lucky party. The US got to keep it all. Not France.
The question was whether France had the right to give it away or not.
And the Territory was very real. Not a ringer.
Lotta ins and outs.
Keep hitting the wrong button!
i never was confused about it.
the big L never put money in the case, he just needed a sap to pin the missing money on so he wouldn't have to actually pay the ransom, and instead have kidnappers go after the dude.
the big L assumes the kidnapping is totally legit. So when he recieves the toe, he assumes it's actually hers. It truly shows us how evil and uncaring, selfish and manipulative the Big L really is. He continues his scheme, regardless of the fact Bunny may have actually lost a toe.
Hey one thing though.
When the carpet pissers leave the Dudes house where do they go?
I mean they knew they had the wrong guy and they were looking for the Big L.
Did they just give up?
Or did they go to him and put the squeeze on him. Then the Dude shows the next day.
DING! Suddenly there is a kidnap plot. Looking at it that way the Big L is behind it because
he needs to pay Jackie Treehorn.
But clearly the nihilists are not in on it. They really believe they are squeezing the
Big L. So that means that it's a backdoor deal between Big L and Jackie with
both the nihilists and the Dude playing saps. Nihilists are perfect for taking
care of the Dude. Welp, that about does her, wraps her all up.
Just another facet man.
Here's what really happens:
"The movie opens with a cowboy giving an exposition and the Dude smelling some milk while George Bush talks about the Gulf War. Then two guys break into the Dude's apartment and urinate on his rug. At that point, the Dude and I have our first joint and White Russian, and the plot starts to get a little blurry.[4]
"I think there was a guy in a wheelchair putting his underwear in a bag. And a guy in a motorcycle helmet with a pet ferret. And a pedophile named Jesus. And someone throws a coffee mug and hits the Dude right on the forehead. And, of course, that chick says "vagina," and that's right about where I always lose the game."
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski#Plot_Summary_by_The_Dude.28.3F.29
Quote from: BikerDude on May 10, 2011, 05:19:07 PM
Keep hitting the wrong button!
Is that some kind of eastern thing?
Conjectures welcome....what do you think happened to the nihilst's (Amiee Mann's) green toe. Did TBL just throw it out? Did Brandt take it and degenerate into a necro-foot fetishist (but Bunny has to pay $100 to watch)? Did the Nihilist brace TBL later to get the toe back?
To wax philosophical: If we assume the girlfriend was also a nihilist, what motivated her to give up teh toe? She velieves in nozzing so she would not feel any actual love for the nihlist.
And teh strands grow...
abide..lao
I'll have zee lingonberry pancakes.