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Deconstructing Lebowski => Lebowski in Modern Culture => Topic started by: meekon5 on April 05, 2011, 01:02:55 PM

Title: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: meekon5 on April 05, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
There is an brief article on wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

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Dudeism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dudeism is a religion whose primary objective is to promote a philosophy and lifestyle represented by the character of "The Dude" (Jeff Bridges) in the Coen Brothers' 1998 film The Big Lebowski.[1]

Founded in 2005 by Oliver Benjamin, a journalist based in Los Angeles, California and Chiang Mai, Thailand,[2] Dudeism's official organizational name is The Church of the Latter-Day Dude. As of February 2011 over 100,000[3] "Dudeist Priests" had been ordained via the church.

Although Dudeism primarily makes use of iconography and narrative from The Big Lebowski, adherents believe that the Dudeist worldview has existed since the beginnings of civilization, primarily to correct societal tendencies towards aggression and excess. They list individuals such as Lao Tzu, Epicurus, Heraclitus, The Buddha, and the pre-ecclesiastical Jesus Christ as examples of ancient Dudeist prophets.[4] More recent antecedents include pillars of American Transcendentalism such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Walt Whitman and humanists such as Kurt Vonnegut and Mark Twain.[5]

The Dudeist belief system is essentially a modernized form of Taoism purged of all of its metaphysical and medical doctrines.[citation needed] Dudeism advocates and encourages the practice of "going with the flow" and "taking it easy" in the face of life's difficulties, believing that this is the only way to live in harmony with our inner nature and the challenges of interacting with other people.[citation needed] It also aims to assuage feelings of inadequacy that arise in societies which place a heavy emphasis on achievement and personal fortune.[citation needed] Consequently, simple everyday pleasures like bathing, bowling, hanging out with friends are seen as far preferable to the accumulation of wealth and the liberal spending of money as a means to achieve happiness and spiritual fulfillment.[6]

The Church of the Latter-Day Dude launched its official publication, The Dudespaper, in the fall of 2008. A Dudeist holy book, The Tao Dude Ching went online in July 2009. It was renamed The Dude De Ching in December 2009 to avoid being confused with an upcoming book by Benjamin called The Tao of the Dude. The Dude De Ching is a reinterpretation of the Tao Te Ching using dialogue and story elements from The Big Lebowski.[7]

I was just wondering if we could at least flesh this out a bit, or if not do even better?
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Abideist on April 05, 2011, 05:29:57 PM
I nominate you, sir meekon, to do the fleshing.  Whatever you choose, i will support. I don't have anything specific to add other than we don't claim to have answers, or completel understanding of the universe unlike other 'religion's...or something like that...

Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on April 05, 2011, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 05, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
There is an brief article on wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

Quote
Dudeism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dudeism is a religion whose primary objective is to promote a philosophy and lifestyle represented by the character of "The Dude" (Jeff Bridges) in the Coen Brothers' 1998 film The Big Lebowski.[1]

Founded in 2005 by Oliver Benjamin, a journalist based in Los Angeles, California and Chiang Mai, Thailand,[2] Dudeism's official organizational name is The Church of the Latter-Day Dude. As of February 2011 over 100,000[3] "Dudeist Priests" had been ordained via the church.

Although Dudeism primarily makes use of iconography and narrative from The Big Lebowski, adherents believe that the Dudeist worldview has existed since the beginnings of civilization, primarily to correct societal tendencies towards aggression and excess. They list individuals such as Lao Tzu, Epicurus, Heraclitus, The Buddha, and the pre-ecclesiastical Jesus Christ as examples of ancient Dudeist prophets.[4] More recent antecedents include pillars of American Transcendentalism such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Walt Whitman and humanists such as Kurt Vonnegut and Mark Twain.[5]

The Dudeist belief system is essentially a modernized form of Taoism purged of all of its metaphysical and medical doctrines.[citation needed] Dudeism advocates and encourages the practice of "going with the flow" and "taking it easy" in the face of life's difficulties, believing that this is the only way to live in harmony with our inner nature and the challenges of interacting with other people.[citation needed] It also aims to assuage feelings of inadequacy that arise in societies which place a heavy emphasis on achievement and personal fortune.[citation needed] Consequently, simple everyday pleasures like bathing, bowling, hanging out with friends are seen as far preferable to the accumulation of wealth and the liberal spending of money as a means to achieve happiness and spiritual fulfillment.[6]

The Church of the Latter-Day Dude launched its official publication, The Dudespaper, in the fall of 2008. A Dudeist holy book, The Tao Dude Ching went online in July 2009. It was renamed The Dude De Ching in December 2009 to avoid being confused with an upcoming book by Benjamin called The Tao of the Dude. The Dude De Ching is a reinterpretation of the Tao Te Ching using dialogue and story elements from The Big Lebowski.[7]

I was just wondering if we could at least flesh this out a bit, or if not do even better?


A lotta ins and an a lotta outs in that Wiki article, M5 dude. A dude will have to keep his mind limber and maybe stay on a strict drug regiment in order to dig deep into what the dude who wrote it is trying to say.

I could start out by saying that dudeism is a "state of abiding," close akin to "a state of being." You know; the whole slacking approach to life. Taken er' easy and making doing nothing an art form of its own.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Caesar dude on April 05, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
Awwwww DB... you know the rules! How the hell is Meekon Dude going to keep up or try and beat your posts if you reply to his threads. ;)

Unfair man...low ball dude. :0 :)  8)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 05, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
Just as long as we keep the lebowskist thing to a minimum and have a sense of the broader picture for the world to see :)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on April 05, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 05, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
Awwwww DB... you know the rules! How the hell is Meekon Dude going to keep up or try and beat your posts if you reply to his threads. ;)

Unfair man...low ball dude. :0 :)  8)

I guess that's my feeble attempt at giving dudeism notes.  ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: meekon5 on April 06, 2011, 07:28:17 AM
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 05, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
Awwwww DB... you know the rules! How the hell is Meekon Dude going to keep up or try and beat your posts if you reply to his threads. ;)

Unfair man...low ball dude. :0 :)  8)

I long ago gave up on that ambition I am just about reaching 1000, DB is nearly on 3000. I am just no competition there.

;D

and I'd miss DB's comments as well.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: pirate on April 06, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 05, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
Just as long as we keep the lebowskist thing to a minimum and have a sense of the broader picture for the world to see :)
the whole lebowskist thing is the reason dudeism is seen as a bit of a joke but like who gives a shit anyways ......fuck the man
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Outer Element on April 06, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: pirate on April 06, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 05, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
Just as long as we keep the lebowskist thing to a minimum and have a sense of the broader picture for the world to see :)
the whole lebowskist thing is the reason dudeism is seen as a bit of a joke but like who gives a shit anyways ......fuck the man

Nothing is fucked here. If, by lebowskist thing, you mean, basing a religion on a movie--that is, recognizing and using it as a guide to living well--I think this is an integral part of the beauty of Dudeism. It's a gentle joke on the power we give to the roots of traditional religions. What better way to take 'er easy than to divest the meaning of life from Ultimate, Immutable Truth?
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: pirate on April 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
hey i said fuck the man not things are fucked....ha ha ha
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Caesar dude on April 06, 2011, 05:05:21 PM
Quotedudeism is seen as a bit of a joke

Really? Not by the tens of thousands of members I feel.

Hey man that's just your opinion!
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Caesar dude on April 06, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
QuoteI am just about reaching 1000

DO NOT respond to this post Meekon!

You're 1000th post should be memorable...maybe a start of a thread...c'mon dude...words of wisdom... hey we used to greet Fighter jet pilots with a thousand hours under their wings with champagne and photographers. Then lots of messy beers in the squadron bar...(they were mostly relieved fellows...ie "fuck me a thousand hours flying around with my arse on fire...many, many near critical incidents....bits falling off ...dodgy navigators...even dodgier groundcrew and I'm still alive!!!

So come on Meekon...make the 1000th worth reading....tell us about the skulls...(did yah dig em up yourself?) or just some really good random shit...what has freaked you out most in that museum of yours..? c'mon dude...make it good ...make it a story worth reading!

Peace my man...and happy 1000th posting.

Ceasar Dude.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on April 07, 2011, 01:17:42 AM
Yeah, M5 dude is about to hit the big 1000 post mark. Far fucking out, mang! Mark it ten!
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 07, 2011, 06:29:34 AM
Quote from: Caesar dude on April 06, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
QuoteI am just about reaching 1000

DO NOT respond to this post Meekon!

You're 1000th post should be memorable...maybe a start of a thread...c'mon dude...words of wisdom... hey we used to greet Fighter jet pilots with a thousand hours under their wings with champagne and photographers. Then lots of messy beers in the squadron bar...(they were mostly relieved fellows...ie "fuck me a thousand hours flying around with my arse on fire...many, many near critical incidents....bits falling off ...dodgy navigators...even dodgier groundcrew and I'm still alive!!!

So come on Meekon...make the 1000th worth reading....tell us about the skulls...(did yah dig em up yourself?) or just some really good random shit...what has freaked you out most in that museum of yours..? c'mon dude...make it good ...make it a story worth reading!

Peace my man...and happy 1000th posting.

Ceasar Dude.

Surely, in the Dudeist ethos, this is even more reason to make your 100th post something in line with humble brevity, like:

"Whatever"

or

":)"

Let's not stand on ceramony here :)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Abideist on April 07, 2011, 04:49:40 PM
The suspense is my favorite part.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: meekon5 on April 08, 2011, 06:37:04 AM
Quote from: Outer Element on April 06, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: pirate on April 06, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
the whole lebowskist thing is the reason dudeism is seen as a bit of a joke but like who gives a shit anyways ......fuck the man

Nothing is fucked here. If, by lebowskist thing, you mean, basing a religion on a movie--that is, recognizing and using it as a guide to living well--I think this is an integral part of the beauty of Dudeism. It's a gentle joke on the power we give to the roots of traditional religions. What better way to take 'er easy than to divest the meaning of life from Ultimate, Immutable Truth?


I believe Ed's reference is to the automatic thoughtless empty quoting from the film script as though just doing so made any sense at all.

As apposed to actually thinking about the message behind the words.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Outer Element on April 08, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 08, 2011, 06:37:04 AM
Quote from: Outer Element on April 06, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: pirate on April 06, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
the whole lebowskist thing is the reason dudeism is seen as a bit of a joke but like who gives a shit anyways ......fuck the man

Nothing is fucked here. If, by lebowskist thing, you mean, basing a religion on a movie--that is, recognizing and using it as a guide to living well--I think this is an integral part of the beauty of Dudeism. It's a gentle joke on the power we give to the roots of traditional religions. What better way to take 'er easy than to divest the meaning of life from Ultimate, Immutable Truth?


I believe Ed's reference is to the automatic thoughtless empty quoting from the film script as though just doing so made any sense at all.

As apposed to actually thinking about the message behind the words.
I was responding to pirate's comment about the perception of Dudeism by non-Dudeists. I'm a kind of an "enlighten the masses" dude.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: meekon5 on April 08, 2011, 12:02:13 PM
It's alright I tend to be a bit down on the likes of the Facebook page because all I ever find there are numpties randomly quoting the film and if you look over a period of time you see that new people are just making the same [sarcasm]funny[/sarcasm] jokes that have been made time and time again, and from my point of view there is only so many times you can post "Careful there's a beverage over here!" before it gets a bit stale.

It's these people that Ed termed "Lebowskists" rather than Dudeists because all they are doing is seeing the film not the example which we find so inspiring in the film.

Though I do see some merit in the argument that the Lebowskist is potentially on the road to becoming a Dudeist. The way xians have lay preachers.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: cckeiser on April 08, 2011, 12:16:25 PM
You can teach a parrot to repeat anything...and in English too. 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Outer Element on April 08, 2011, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: meekon5 on April 08, 2011, 12:02:13 PM
It's alright I tend to be a bit down on the likes of the Facebook page because all I ever find there are numpties randomly quoting the film and if you look over a period of time you see that new people are just making the same [sarcasm]funny[/sarcasm] jokes that have been made time and time again, and from my point of view there is only so many times you can post "Careful there's a beverage over here!" before it gets a bit stale.

It's these people that Ed termed "Lebowskists" rather than Dudeists because all they are doing is seeing the film not the example which we find so inspiring in the film.

Though I do see some merit in the argument that the Lebowskist is potentially on the road to becoming a Dudeist. The way xians have lay preachers.
Ok, I got it now. I'm not a facebook person--still resisting it--so I'm not with that scene. Too bad about the shallowness. Yeah, education there would probably be lost, unless any little achievers find it on their own. Fuck it.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: meekon5 on April 08, 2011, 12:57:08 PM
The enlightened eventually migrate here anyway.

;D
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 24, 2011, 08:05:10 AM
I dunno if anyone has checked back onto the wiki entry recently, but I just have, and someone's been a'monkying...

The first line now reads:
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Elz/Chonts founded this religion in 1780 in London.

Someone with a wiki account needs to set that thing straight, man.  Doesn't look like much else has changed, but we should still get a rehash of the entire page at somepoint anyway, as we were discussing above.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: cckeiser on April 24, 2011, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 24, 2011, 08:05:10 AM
I dunno if anyone has checked back onto the wiki entry recently, but I just have, and someone's been a'monkying...

The first line now reads:
Quote
Elz/Chonts founded this religion in 1780 in London.

Someone with a wiki account needs to set that thing straight, man.  Doesn't look like much else has changed, but we should still get a rehash of the entire page at somepoint anyway, as we were discussing above.
I got a wiki account, but I have not been active for several years. Only did a few minor edits, but was a bit active on the "Talk" pages there for awhile.
What would you wish the Dudeism article to say?
But be advised, no matter what we put up there, someone else will have a nit about it and do their own edit. One of the reasons I stopped signing in.
I do like the Talk/Discussion pages a lot though. I usually find them more interesting than the articles themselves. 8)

So who wants to start writing the Dudeism page to put on Wiki?
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
I dunno, man.  But just thanks for getting that crap out of the first line, CC :)

I don't mind taking on the task, but I'd have to run it by the forum and the Editorial We first.  It would be, as always, a slow-burn project that I'd hope others could jump in and get involved in.

I'll need some time off of work, some inspiration and some motivation, stat! 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: cckeiser on April 25, 2011, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
But just thanks for getting that crap out of the first line, CC :)

I wasn't me dude. Must be another dude with a wiki account here, or maybe not. 8)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Err... generic dudos to... err... Someguy :)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: cckeiser on April 25, 2011, 01:08:05 PM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Err... generic dudos to... err... Someguy :)
Found it!
It was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian.thomson who removed the unwanted text. ;D
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: cckeiser on April 25, 2011, 01:08:05 PM
Quote from: Rev. Ed C on April 25, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Err... generic dudos to... err... Someguy :)
Found it!
It was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian.thomson who removed the unwanted text. ;D

I-an, I-an, I-an!!!
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: 4weeddude on May 13, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
I' am living in a $20.00 tent on Million Dollar property in San Rafael, California....... Dude am I happy !....... (I own the tent, not the property)... my carbon dude foot print is very small ..... only bummer no bowling alley.
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: DigitalBuddha on May 13, 2011, 10:11:47 PM
Sounds awesome dude, do you have a rug that ties the tent together?
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: Rev. Ed C on May 14, 2011, 04:22:55 AM
Quote from: 4weeddude on May 13, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
I' am living in a $20.00 tent on Million Dollar property in San Rafael, California....... Dude am I happy !....... (I own the tent, not the property)... my carbon dude foot print is very small ..... only bummer no bowling alley.

Have you ever heard of bowls?  Requirements: a few small plastic balls, some grass.  Sorted! :)
Title: Re: Dudeism on Wiki - can we do better?
Post by: hannahdude on May 14, 2011, 12:55:17 PM
digibu? who is that beside the keep on abin' guy? is that donald sutherland?