So I've gone through many posts in this forum and read through the Dudespaper and the Dude de Ching and it seems to me that most people have misinterpreted the wisdom of The Stranger. When pontificating to the Dude that "Sometimes you eat the b'ar, and well, sometimes the b'ar, well, it eats you," the Stranger was not referring to a place to attain Caucasians, but to mammals of the family Ursidae, or Bears, which in the dialect of where the Stranger hails sounds like "bar." Sorry to disappoint any bar-eating enthusiasts.
I always thought it was a double entendre. At first you're supposed to think "bear" and his accent makes it sound bar, but on a deeper level it could also be bar (as in alcohol) and a pertinent example of the dangers of excess.
Bum, just when it was all beginning to make some sense to me.
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Welcome Chief! You wouldn't be from Malibu would ya? 8)
Quote from: Chief on February 07, 2011, 10:33:11 AM
So I've gone through many posts in this forum and read through the Dudespaper and the Dude de Ching and it seems to me that most people have misinterpreted the wisdom of The Stranger. When pontificating to the Dude that "Sometimes you eat the b'ar, and well, sometimes the b'ar, well, it eats you," the Stranger was not referring to a place to attain Caucasians, but to mammals of the family Ursidae, or Bears, which in the dialect of where the Stranger hails sounds like "bar." Sorry to disappoint any bar-eating enthusiasts.
Is that some kind of Eastern thing? Welcome dude! ;D
Well in the captions and the script it says "bear".
Personally I have never eaten a bear dude.
Given that they were sitting at a bar, I subscribe to the "BAR theory." Though the Stranger says "... and sometimes the bar, wal, he eats you." Notice "HE," not "IT" ...eats you.
It should be noted that people sometimes refer to inanimate as things "he" or "she;" i.e., "our ship, SHE's A fine vessel."
Fuck, things are so fucking complicated; good reason for an oat soda to help keep my mind limber.
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look out for them pesky bears......na for me it is bar not bear
I'd like to put my two cents on this.
I lived in texas for over 15 years, and I've been all around the south east. I've never heard any dialect that would misinterpret 'bear'.
He is deffinatley saying bar. If that is to mean the bar at which we drink at, or the bar in which stakes are raised; is up to you.
As to why he calls the bar a 'he', well dude, we just don't know.
could be he has a bit of a sense of humor.
The Dude also says BAR when he reapeats it later. He doesn't have a crazy dialect accent or whatever.
Well since the old saying is "sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you" I'm betting we can chalk it up to his accent.
I was aware of the saying long before the B L came out.
Quote from: BikerDude on March 25, 2011, 04:39:32 PM
Well since the old saying is "sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you" I'm betting we can chalk it up to his accent.
I was aware of the saying long before the B L came out.
there may be an old saying about a 'bear' , but it still doesnt convince me. Maybe the Coen brothers screwed up, or deliberately put this in to keep us talking about it.
His accent has nothing to do with it.
i have never eaten a bear but i have been told that it tastes like shit........even though i would be willing to give it a try............but no for me its bar seeing as how he is sitting at the bar
Quote from: reverend pirate on March 26, 2011, 04:43:52 PM
i have never eaten a bear but i have been told that it tastes like shit........even though i would be willing to give it a try............but no for me its bar seeing as how he is sitting at the bar
agreed.
Most times the old saying is repeated with the pronunciation "bar". Meaning bear.
Also for those old enough there was the ballad of Davy Crockett.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jxJLTs-iUM
Also I've heard the pronunciation of bear as bar many times in movies.
For instance....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nqxIdROsI
I'm telling you it's Bear. It's not at all uncommon.
Quote from: BikerDude on March 27, 2011, 09:31:23 AM
Most times the old saying is repeated with the pronunciation "bar". Meaning bear.
Also for those old enough there was the ballad of Davy Crockett.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jxJLTs-iUM
Also I've heard the pronunciation of bear as bar many times in movies.
For instance....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nqxIdROsI
I'm telling you it's Bear. It's not at all uncommon.
Thank you biker dude, for finally clearing this up.
I am now convinced he IS in fact saying 'bear'. However, in my defense, this is not a southern/western accent or cowboy drawl, but simple mountain gibberish.
Or authentic frontier gibberish...as seen in blazing saddles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
Mountaineers blazing trails out west during the Americans manifest destiny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny basically were born on the trail, raised on tooth and nail, and died frozen in a pile of snow or at the paws of a b'ar.
I think what the true confusion here was, we just didn't listen to the stranger. When he says "A WISER FELLO THAN MYSELF ONCE SAID..." he actually quotes that 'wiser fellow'. Including his rustic mounteer slang.
I don't think "the stranger" would actually say b'ar if he was using it in any other scenario.
Now I can finally rest easy at night.
Absolutely, positively, one-hundred-percent sure, it is "bear," it's just a western accent.
Cf. "there" -> "thar," as in "them thar hills."
They also say "crick," for a little small stream of water. ("creek")
"The Ballad of Davy Crockett" is an excellent example, Biker.
Trying to remember more from my time in MT, but being back in MA for thirteen years has eradicated most of the memories.
Oh, and The Dude is just emulating th' accent he heard, much like how I would say "bar" in singing the above-mentioned Ballad, or might say "see-ment pond" if talking about a swimming pool, or maybe even "aluminium" if I were talking metallurgy with someone from the UK.
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Heh, heh... Fronteir gibberish... Priceless :)
".. clearly stating what needed to be said.."
Brooks is a genius of lowbrow humor.
BANJO DUDE!....IT IS NOT A WESTERN ACCENT!
I LIVED IN THE WEST, I aint ner her no body tahk lik dat an say beaahr, like b'ar, i hur em say bearh! not B'ar! cuz b'ar is a hill folk mountaineer rustic gibberish!
Gar it?!
SOURCE:
A real southern gentleman.
It's good to see this discussion just wont lie down and die!
;D ;D ;D
To my ear it's always been bear....Maybe as a Brit we can hear the accent or inflection in a different way to you Americans...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sometimes%20you%20eat%20the%20bear (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sometimes%20you%20eat%20the%20bear)
Peace Dudes..
Reverend CD
Quote from: meekon5 on March 30, 2011, 05:54:04 AM
It's good to see this discussion just wont lie down and die!
;D ;D ;D
A fine example of the ongoing development and growth of dudeism; strong conversation and civilized debate. ;D
okay. as biker proved, he is indeed saying bear. but so no Europeans are confused, this is not a western accent.
it's an archaic dead frontier language.
There is no modern living accent that says it like that.
i have to leave this thread permanantly before i blow a gasket.
To be honest, I've never been eaten by a bear, not have I eaten one. I'm not sure where these statistics are coming from :)
Sounds like a sadomasochistic bestiality fantasy to me personally.
Quote from: meekon5 on March 31, 2011, 05:32:10 AM
Sounds like a sadomasochistic bestiality fantasy to me personally.
Pfft, for you maybe. I'm more about those short, hairy, orange creatures (no relation), the orangutan!
"Sometimes the orangutan throws feces at you, sometimes you throw feces at the orangutan..."
Ook?
Nothing wrong with Librarians
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Yeah, mang - give the librarians a chance - he'll be philosophizing at the bleedin' Lillies next.
Quote from: Koog-meister on March 31, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
okay. as biker proved, he is indeed saying bear. but so no Europeans are confused, this is not a western accent.
it's an archaic dead frontier language.
There is no modern living accent that says it like that.
i have to leave this thread permanantly before i blow a gasket.
Certain strains of Biker's do. As a style more than anything. Like if they were to say "sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar......"
But then biker culture in part either intentionally or unintentionally keeps the mountain man ethos alive.
Go to Sturgis bike week and look for an old grizzled fellow who appears to have stepped straight out of the 19th century and you'll likely hear similar.
Oh and actually I have shot, killed, skinned and eaten bear.
It isn't horrible. Sort of like pork.
Depending on where the Bear has lived and eaten it can be a bit gamey.
It's not uncommon to kill bears around dumps and they can be challenging. But a good wilderness free range bear isn't bad at all. I will never shoot another because of the nightmare of getting the damn thing out of the woods. The season is early here. September is the early season. It can be hot. I just remember myself and 3 others spending the entire day. I mean from just after sunup till just before sundown struggling to lug a freshly killed and gutted 400 pound bear carcass out of a swamp. I will never forget that smell. Makes me cringe just thinking about it.
The other thing with bear hunting is they don't die all that quick. And they live in dense areas during daylight. That means that you will at least for a short time be in very close proximity to a mortally wounded extremely pissed animal that can do major damage to you. The saying is that bear hunting is "long periods of boredom punctuated by short periods of sheer terror."
Very true indeed.
http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/wild_game_recipes_bear_recipes.htm
Last night I was watching "Weeds", an episode from Season 4. Guess which quote came out of nowhere? "Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you"
Biker is right, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Cohens had requested that Sam Elliot pushed the line with the intention of the double meaning.
Quote from: BikerDude on March 31, 2011, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: Koog-meister on March 31, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
okay. as biker proved, he is indeed saying bear. but so no Europeans are confused, this is not a western accent.
it's an archaic dead frontier language.
There is no modern living accent that says it like that.
i have to leave this thread permanantly before i blow a gasket.
Certain strains of Biker's do. As a style more than anything. Like if they were to say "sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar......"
But then biker culture in part either intentionally or unintentionally keeps the mountain man ethos alive.
Go to Sturgis bike week and look for an old grizzled fellow who appears to have stepped straight out of the 19th century and you'll likely hear similar.
Oh and actually I have shot, killed, skinned and eaten bear.
It isn't horrible. Sort of like pork.
Depending on where the Bear has lived and eaten it can be a bit gamey.
It's not uncommon to kill bears around dumps and they can be challenging. But a good wilderness free range bear isn't bad at all. I will never shoot another because of the nightmare of getting the damn thing out of the woods. The season is early here. September is the early season. It can be hot. I just remember myself and 3 others spending the entire day. I mean from just after sunup till just before sundown struggling to lug a freshly killed and gutted 400 pound bear carcass out of a swamp. I will never forget that smell. Makes me cringe just thinking about it.
The other thing with bear hunting is they don't die all that quick. And they live in dense areas during daylight. That means that you will at least for a short time be in very close proximity to a mortally wounded extremely pissed animal that can do major damage to you. The saying is that bear hunting is "long periods of boredom punctuated by short periods of sheer terror."
Very true indeed.
http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/wild_game_recipes_bear_recipes.htm
That' downright mid evil BD... I ate bear once on an Indian reservation in Quebec. Beaver too. (Really... no joking). It was yummy. Same meal they had moose, bannock, rabbit... none of it gamey. Veggies up the wazoo.
I'm gettin' the munchies!
Quote from: Whit on December 18, 2011, 03:54:47 AM
Biker is right, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Cohens had requested that Sam Elliot pushed the line with the intention of the double meaning.
If they meant it to have double meaning then you could have fooled me.
For me, I've hear that saying since I was a kid with exactly that inflection and all.
It's a common saying.
I've eaten many bars.
A black bear walks into a bar in Banff. The black bear sees a bar fly on a stool in a blue dress at the end of the bar. The bear walks over to her, picks her up, and shoves her down his throat in one gulp, then walks back to his end of the bar.
He asks for a beer.
"What?" the barman exclaims..."A black bear in Banff has the nerve to eat a barfly in a blue dress? We don't mix alcohol and drugs in this town."
The bear inquires as to the barman's bold bombastic blubberrings...
"Well, wasn't that a bar bitch you ate?"
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The above extricated from between the folds of a compromised cranium saturated with cold beer...