You know what I find really interesting man?
Aside from big chested strippers and oat soda I mean..
The very Essence of Dudlieness is Abiding. But
remember he was one of the Authors of the Port Huron Statement.
Which was a real 'ie' not invented in the movie document which was
put together by the SDS (STUDENTS FOR A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY)
The early leaders of the SDS actually evolved the group to include an
arm called the "Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM)"
a faction of SDS, which advocated a more militant course of action.
The Weathermen came from the same group.
They were militants and not just in words.
Members of Weathermen, went underground in March 1970 following the Greenwich Village
townhouse explosion, an incident in which three members of the organization died
when an explosive device, intended for a servicemen's ball, detonated prematurely.
Man I seriously hate to be a bummer but the dude's pedigree does
put him at the middle of some things that would on face value seem
very undude man.
And since he was in fact one of the authors of a "statement" of beliefs
we must assume that he was not just like a child who
wanders in in the middle of a movie and wants to know...
Lost my train of thought.
Not sure where to go with that but if writing is a series of choices,
and the Coens chose this for the Dude then it was a conscious choice
man. And what were they saying there?
About Dude. About the 60's. About washed up old hippies riding around
and having the occasional acid flashback.
I know that I'm glad he's out there....
Did the Bums lose?
Man they could have chose to end it with him starting an internet
company and making billions. Some of the real dudes did.
It was the Thai sticks dude....the Thai sticks.
We all start out as Little Urban Achievers man, but, hopefully, as we live we learn, and, again hopefully, we learn to abide.
Who here among us is without sin?
Oh man.. look I'm not pointing fingers at the dude but I'm wondering if my thinking about this case has become up tight.
I mean clearly the Dude hungers for justice, whether it be rug pee'ers
or fascists. Perhaps Abiding is the norm but once provoked man.
You know?
Maybe then it's "Come on, fuckheads!"
I won't say a hee-ro,
'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes
there's a man.
All The Dude ever wanted was his rug back.
But then...there was that 20 Gs or clams or what have you dangling in front of him like a golden stash. He just had to chase after the illusion.
Done in by his baser instincts again.
Quote from: BikerDude on October 08, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Oh man.. look I'm not pointing fingers at the dude but I'm wondering if my thinking about this case has become up tight.
I mean clearly the Dude hungers for justice, whether it be rug pee'ers
or fascists. Perhaps Abiding is the norm but once provoked man.
You know?
Maybe then it's "Come on, fuckheads!"
I won't say a hee-ro,
'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes
there's a man.
Yeah, I'm getting what you mean now.
Like when The Dude confronted DaFino. Man The Dude sure had a pair of testicles that night after having zesty coitus with Maude! Was ready to pull DaFino out of his vw bug and give him a real asswhoopin for following him around and spying on him.
Like most of us, we abide as best we can, but don't get in our face dude!
We try and do no harm, but if you mess with us...get ready for an asswhoopin!
Quote from: BikerDude on October 08, 2010, 12:53:13 PM
You know what I find really interesting man?
Aside from big chested strippers and oat soda I mean..
The very Essence of Dudlieness is Abiding.
Dude, I always find it darn interesting when someone says that ("The very Essence of Dudlieness is Abiding") because every dude has his own take on "abiding." Which is a good thing otherwise Dudeism would become stagnate, boring and be in danger of the ever present status quo of an "authority" claiming that they have the one and only first and uncompromisable definition of "abiding."
Fuck that, can't abide that authority shit which appeals to airheads and people looking to be lead by other people's leads.
While I believe that Dudeism in it's best form is the "first draft," "abiding" is a personal thing unique to each dude and dudette. That is to say that the value of "abiding" is fluid and changing as it moves through each person.
What is your take on abiding? What does it mean for you and other dudes?
Is it difference for each person, does it have some basic foundations and differs here and there, or is it as different as a darker'n black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night from daytime on a hot sunny beach filled with half naked hot women? (nice visual wouldn't you admit? ...the half naked women part? (http://www.bellspalsy.org.uk/YaBBImages/grin.gif)...fucking eh) >>>>>
Just for visual effect, mang.........
** Option one...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/50010295_499d1168e1.jpg?v=0)
** Option two...
(http://power953.com/images/2008/08/kimkardishianbikin_001_o.jpg)
Anyway, that is just like my opinion, man.
Abide.
Quote from: cckeiser on October 09, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: digitalbuddha on October 09, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
Is it difference for each person, does it have some basic foundations and differs here and there, or is it as different as a darker'n black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night from daytime on a hot sunny beach filled with half naked hot women? (nice visual wouldn't you admit? ...the half naked women part? (http://www.bellspalsy.org.uk/YaBBImages/grin.gif)...fucking eh) >>>>>
Anyway, that is just like my opinion, man.
Abide.
half naked women?!
(http://dudespaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/teenybikinisandshades1.jpg)
Looks like option two has the lead so far. (http://www.bellspalsy.org.uk/YaBBImages/grin.gif) There has to be a cash machine around somewhere.............
"What is your take on abiding? What does it mean for you and other dudes?"
I guess, right here right now, 'abiding' for me means trying to maintain a balance between the pressures and obligations of being a parent and developing a mellow nurturing vibe of positivity that my daughters can absorb and use as a kind of mental compass to find their way back from the dramatic tangents, fears and pressures that young minds are prone to. It ain't friggin' easy.
Abiding, as you so eloquently put it: "is fluid and changing - " - it is the sense (for me) that we are surviving; that is to say the essence of ourselves, the bit we like best about being human. When the roar of the world subsides for awhile, when we are surprised by the beauty of the natural world after a period of immersion in tribulation - we suddenly come up for air in these moments. Maybe recall that once we were alright guys/gals, whatever and that we would like to keep that feeling around a little longer: keep the Dudeness of us alive. Surviving. Rolling. Despite the demands of nihilists, the 'Man', whomever - there is spark of something that we try and protect, nurture. Unfortunately the world twists and distorts, pollutes that which we hold most dear. It is under constant attack from the world we have allowed to come into being. Our senses are assaulted with illusion, manufactured desire and what-have-you - anyway, rambling up onto the Cliche Plateau, here.
I guess what I wanted to say is that abiding for me, right now (and for many years to come, I hope) is good parenting. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-P-Jqpy0n0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-P-Jqpy0n0)
Dude, that was some good words on abiding.
Before you're a dude, you might have to go through some un-dudely stuff first; I know I did
Quote from: Wratts on February 15, 2011, 03:36:53 AM
Before you're a dude, you might have to go through some un-dudely stuff first; I know I did
We all have some undudeness in us.
Quote from: Wratts on February 15, 2011, 03:36:53 AM
Before you're a dude, you might have to go through some un-dudely stuff first; I know I did
Hey! Welcome Wratts dude!
Any rug in the house dude! 8)
I completly agree with DB here we all have the undude in us. Reference my recent attack on what I thought was an insult about my disability. I think the thing is to realise and accept the undudly and perceiver to attain the dude aspect.
Last time I talked with a practicing Buddhist Monk (Nun technically) she said that even though she continues to have problems with her mind wondering during meditation and daily life she just gently leads it back to the calm state.
Whilst studying Yoga I was impressed by the zen yoga idea that whilst practicing meditation that small time you have reached a state of peacefulness increases the worlds state of peacfullness.
So that small part of our lives we spend actually achieving the Dude state means the world is that proportion more Dude, for that moment.
Abiding to me is simply being calm in all situations.
For more years than I care to remember I've been labelled "calm" or in other parlance "unflappable" Basically I take things in my stride.
My mother (a catholic) used to terrify me (unintentionally I'm sure) with the words...goodnight, godbless and see you in the morning if we're spared.
After many sleepless nights when I sort of realised that maybe I wasn't going to be murdered in my sleep I became aware of living for the moment...and would sleep in hope....then I joined up....same shit different day... ;)
Now I practice "do no harm" in the vague and quite pointless hope that the Multiverse won't do any harm to me.... Recent events have shown this to be false.
I'm actually beginning to think that maybe I should be a bit more ruthless ..use the skills I've learned and become a dude ninja. Maybe just take over as the local drugs Baron. No harm no foul. (At least I'd be dealing with good intent!)
Dudely peace.
Yeah, dude, sometimes shit happens even to the most worthy dudes. It's how we deal with the shit that makes us dudes. It's hard sometimes to abide and not worry about that shit, but life goes on man and we got to deal with it the best we can or risk becoming just another Nihilist human paraquat fucking strangers in the ass!
A wiser fellow than myself once said something to the effect that what we project into the Universe is what our Universe is created from. Project hate, and our Universe will be filled with hate. Project Love, and our Universe will be filled with Love.
We reap what we sow.
Now I want to believe that's the way it is, and I do try my best to live by that, but either way, it just seems like doing no harm should be the fundamental way to live life.
Quote from: cckeiser on February 16, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
....Project Hate...and...Project Love
Sounds like some sixties anti-hero organisation like SMERSH.
My theory on abiding is founded in Popeye The Sailors belief system. BTW, he was very dude like. Any who, I abide til I can't abide no more.
Not sure where to go with that but if writing is a series of choices,
and the Coens chose this for the Dude then it was a conscious choice
man. And what were they saying there?
Quote from: delmiss on July 10, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Not sure where to go with that but if writing is a series of choices,
and the Coens chose this for the Dude then it was a conscious choice
man. And what were they saying there?
Yeah that about does her. But it doesn't wrap her all up.
The point is that in the bio they chose for the Dude he is not the abiding kind.
He has extreme viewpoints. Or he at least supports them.
Maybe it's meant to show that the Dude changes with the changing times.
That he is a vessel to be filled with whatever is the prevailing views of the time and place.
But there it is.
He is the right guy for his time and place.
Is this a treatise on what the 60's were? A lot of big ideas that most people just followed as nothing more than a style?
Is the Dude the right man for this time because of a vacuous nature? His abiding?
Or is there some aspect of the Dudes nature that does not shift and stands like a rock in a raging stream?
Lotta in's and out's here.
For me, and that's just, like, my opinion. the Dude starts off as being unrealistic. I have to admit that when I first watched the movie at the beginning I wasn't cheering or booing him. But then bad stuff happens to him, he copes the best way he can, and then he does what he feels he must. Then he lets it go because it'll be the 10th soon enough.
And that's pretty much one of the ways to be dudely. Sometimes life throws lemons, limes, oranges, and papayas at us. We can either get pissed off and yell at the damn citrus or we can enjoy it.
There's a quote that I'll paraphrase: It doesn't matter how many times you get kicked down, it's how many times you get back up.
Quote from: Masked Dude on July 12, 2019, 06:44:29 PM
For me, and that's just, like, my opinion. the Dude starts off as being unrealistic. I have to admit that when I first watched the movie at the beginning I wasn't cheering or booing him. But then bad stuff happens to him, he copes the best way he can, and then he does what he feels he must. Then he lets it go because it'll be the 10th soon enough.
And that's pretty much one of the ways to be dudely. Sometimes life throws lemons, limes, oranges, and papayas at us. We can either get pissed off and yell at the damn citrus or we can enjoy it.
There's a quote that I'll paraphrase: It doesn't matter how many times you get kicked down, it's how many times you get back up.
Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
Should we let aggression stand man?
What is it that makes a man?
A pair of testicles or doing the right thing no matter the cost.
Obviously it's a balance. And where the line falls depends on whether you are a nihilist or Walter or the Dude or Donnie.
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.
Smoky was a pacifist. Nobody fucks with the Jesus (but of course 8 year olds Dude).
In the end this is the conceit of the story for me. It's not every set in stone and most importantly shouldn't be.
It's a balance of principle and self interest. A never ending debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLdtG7KZvw
Quote from: BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 07:31:11 AM
Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
...
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.
The rational part of my brain tells me it's a movie. If he had just said, "You know what, I'm the Dude, life goes on, fuck it," then we wouldn't have a movie. We'd have a short YouTube video. So of course he had to do something.
In the real world, sometimes we do things that we feel we need to do. Others look at it and say it's not important, move on, don't bother. I had to use the phrase "it's the principle," because often even the person saying that realizes it's nothing major. Maybe the Dude wanted the Big Lebowski to own up to his wrongdoings? After all, if the Dude screwed up, he'd admit it (I'm guessing here; I'm not a Coen brother). But the Big Lebowski, being who he is, says no, it's your fault, you bum.
Donnie only died because he got caught up in this whole shebang. If it had just been resolved, Donnie might have died an old man with no overwhelming problems. Maybe he would've liked it that way. The reason I don't just say, OK, Donnie died because he never confronted anyone, is because Walter lives fine. I can't say never let the aggression stand because then we could argue that we should Walter-esque assholes all the time.
Just my $0.02, but I think Donnie was the character like we all have in our lives. He's overlooked and pushed aside. When he's gone, you realize you didn't appreciate it when you had it.
But again, it wouldn't be a good story if it was real life.
Quote from: Masked Dude on July 16, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on July 16, 2019, 07:31:11 AM
Well yeah but if the Dude just let it go and never went to the Big Lebowski none of the bad stuff would have happened.
But would that have been the correct course?
...
What does the flick preach. Donnie is the character that absolutely always lets aggression stand and he dies.
The rational part of my brain tells me it's a movie. If he had just said, "You know what, I'm the Dude, life goes on, fuck it," then we wouldn't have a movie. We'd have a short YouTube video. So of course he had to do something.
In the real world, sometimes we do things that we feel we need to do. Others look at it and say it's not important, move on, don't bother. I had to use the phrase "it's the principle," because often even the person saying that realizes it's nothing major. Maybe the Dude wanted the Big Lebowski to own up to his wrongdoings? After all, if the Dude screwed up, he'd admit it (I'm guessing here; I'm not a Coen brother). But the Big Lebowski, being who he is, says no, it's your fault, you bum.
Donnie only died because he got caught up in this whole shebang. If it had just been resolved, Donnie might have died an old man with no overwhelming problems. Maybe he would've liked it that way. The reason I don't just say, OK, Donnie died because he never confronted anyone, is because Walter lives fine. I can't say never let the aggression stand because then we could argue that we should Walter-esque assholes all the time.
Just my $0.02, but I think Donnie was the character like we all have in our lives. He's overlooked and pushed aside. When he's gone, you realize you didn't appreciate it when you had it.
But again, it wouldn't be a good story if it was real life.
Yeah it is just a movie.
But it is making some very interesting observations and there's a lot of in's and out's.
That's the point. So yeah the plot feeds these observations.
Yes Donnie did only die because he got caught up in the whole shebang. Which he had no hand in creating.
But he could have walked away. He could have urged the Dude to let it go and not confront the Big L.
He could have done a lot of things but in the end he was Donnie. He did nothing. And he was the character who died.
I don't think Walter provides a counter to the idea that Donnie died for simply going along it provides proof.
Walter did do fine. And the Dude was able to abide because Walter took on the nihilists.
Walter was a prick to Donnie who didn't deserve it. But also a prick to the nihilists who did.
For me one of the main questions that the movie explores is whether aggression is ever the right path.
And it shows just how complicated a question it is.
It was certainly correct in the case of the nihilists.
The Dude is a bridge between Walter and Donnie.
He is not incapable of aggression. He shows this several times in the show.
But generally he's chill. Part Walter and Part Donnie.
QuoteAt the table in the kitchen, there were three bowls of porridge. Goldilocks was hungry. She tasted the porridge from the first bowl.
"This porridge is too hot!" she exclaimed.
So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
"This porridge is too cold," she said
So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
"Ahhh, this porridge is just right," she said happily and she ate it all up.
QuoteMy mother (a catholic) used to terrify me (unintentionally I'm sure) with the words...goodnight, godbless and see you in the morning if we're spared.
Mine never used such an expression. Perhaps it's the fact that she practiced Zen together with Catholicism as a young person, though it was never like 'I'm gonna teach you the secrets of Buddhist monks'. Wanna know? Read yourself what you want to read. And find it on your own. If possible stay away from black magic of any kind, please.
I learned something about that 'if I stay alive' when I started to practice Brahms' Lullaby on the piano, and there was of course this line
'Morgen früh, wenn Gott will,
Wirst du wieder geweckt'
('you will be awake in the morning if God wants it' - softened in some English version to 'may thy slumber be blessed', which is definitely something different)
and I thought: WTF? I am gonna wake up like any other day before, do not play with me this way. I never prayed to survive the night. When I die, I die, but I won't spend my whole night thinking about it.
QuoteBefore you're a dude, you might have to go through some un-dudely stuff first
I would say with your first dude thought you may become even more undude for some time, trying to fix things. Your old attitude is still present and you cannot just throw it into a dustbin.