Wikipedia - "Due to the publicity of the trial, the Seattle Liberation Front faced ideological dissension, personality conflicts, and charges of "male chauvinism." In the fall of 1970 SLF sponsored a brief-lived weekly underground newspaper, Sabot, which folded in December after a three-month run amid political infighting among the staff.[16] In late 1971, the SLF was disbanded. Many of the individual SLF members continued to promote diverse social movements, such as Capitol Hill's "Country Doc" Clinic.?[17] Lerner, the founder of SLF, eventually became the editor of the Tikkun, and an advisor to President Clinton and Hillary Clinton. Jeff Dowd went to Hollywood to become a screenwriter and producer. In the film The Big Lebowski (1998), the main character, Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski, claims to be one of the Seattle Seven. The character is based on Jeff Dowd, a friend of the Coen Brothers. Jeff Dowd currently runs a business called Jeff Dowd and Associates located in Santa Monica, California where he writes and produces films. Chip Marshall remained active in Washington politics, running for Seattle City Council in 1976 and working as a neighborhood activist in Issaquah."
What are you blathering about?
You don't know Walter?
Donny, you're out of your element, Dude, the chinaman is not the issue here....
Dowd....the Other Dude, the millionaire.
Johnson?
Johnson? No, my nam es Karl, ixshpee ex-bert.
Quote from: BikerDude on August 25, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
Johnson?
I need my johnson.
Without me, my johnson is nothing. Without my johnson, I am nothing.
It's a Zen thing. The whole yin and yang thing going on.
You know Walter, you're right, I can find this other Johnson or Dowd or clams, bones, whatever you call him. And Dbudda the proper nomenclature is.....durn lost my train. It's Lebowski, at Mr Brandt's office. Okay then. 8)
Quote from: brandt on August 27, 2010, 12:09:35 AM
You know Walter, you're right, I can find this other Johnson or Dowd or clams, bones, whatever you call him. And Dbudda the proper nomenclature is.....durn lost my train. It's Lebowski, at Mr Brandt's office. Okay then. 8)
You mean, vagina?
You know him?
http://www.jeffdowd.com/ (http://www.jeffdowd.com/)
And you got to watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AppE-lsISU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AppE-lsISU)
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/227/captureei.jpg)
Quote from: Crane Jackson on August 27, 2010, 07:18:50 AM
You know him?
Crane you not spotted the common thread of the site, the religion?
On a site devoted to a religion based on the Dude you think this is news?
I'd love to say "I did not know that, Dude!"
See the thing is I do have a copy of the Port Huron Statement that the Dude claims to be a signatory of.
Not occurred to you that you may be teaching old Dudes to suck Caucasians?
(that didn't come out as well as I hoped, it was a play on "teaching grandma to suck eggs", but it sort of slid sideways and ended up looking a bit gay, not that being gay is a problem, it's just not the direction I was taking things in, if you know what I mean)
Don't get me wrong it's great that you're finding this stuff but be aware that some of us have actually looked into a couple of these things before.
QuoteCrane you not spotted the common thread of the site, the religion?
On a site devoted to a religion based on the Dude you think this is news?
I'd love to say "I did not know that, Dude!"
See the thing is I do have a copy of the Port Huron Statement that the Dude claims to be a signatory of.
Not occurred to you that you may be teaching old Dudes to suck Caucasians?
(that didn't come out as well as I hoped, it was a play on "teaching grandma to suck eggs", but it sort of slid sideways and ended up looking a bit gay, not that being gay is a problem, it's just not the direction I was taking things in, if you know what I mean)
Don't get me wrong it's great that you're finding this stuff but be aware that some of us have actually looked into a couple of these things before.
Hahaha, take it easy man, im just posting for all the sinners out there.
QuoteNot occurred to you that you may be teaching old Dudes to suck Caucasians?
Quotebut it sort of slid sideways and ended up looking a bit gay
A bit?
There is a difference between Lebowskism and Dudeism. I even got to explain the difference to a rather inneresting gentleman.
As another new guy, I can understand Da Strangers enthusiasm, but also as a long time lurker, I understand Meekons frustration, and I know from his other posts he aint trying to sound reactionary. Everybody is cool here, so do a J, have a Kaucasion or meditate on your rug, you are among friends here.
Peace Dudes.
Serious question from a real n00b: what IS the difference between Lebowskism and Dudeism? Thanks!
Lebowskism as I understand it, can not be spelled correctly.
No, Dudeism is a spiritual-esque religion based on ancient concepts of abiding, chill'n an' taken er easy. The charactor the Dude for the most part embodied some one living that ideal, in his own way. The movie plays a part in the philosophy but is not viewed as any kind of scripture. It gives a frame work of sorts, and is a source of Dudeistic phrases.
Lebowskism, is more of a fan appreciation kinda thing, such as Trekkie's, they dig the movie and have fun with that. They quote TBL trivia the way a Dudeist would quote the Tao Te Ching, or Dude De Ching, maybe Dharma Pada.
We share the same space on many levels, but there is clear differences. We dig their style, and it seems they dig ours.
That's my take, what's your opinion Dudes?
Quote from: TrapperDude on August 28, 2010, 05:28:47 PM
Serious question from a real n00b: what IS the difference between Lebowskism and Dudeism? Thanks!
The Lebowskist is a devotee of the film "The Big Lebowski", they spend a lot of the time quoting the film (look at the facebook group for instance), but, to quote the zen, they are empty gourds making a lot of noise but little sense.
The Dudeist is trying to follow a path that is a synthesis of Taoism and the Slacker ethic, as exemplified by the example of the character the Dude (Based on Jeff Dowd) from the Coen Brothers film "The Big Lebowski". It is a mystical tradition based on none action (takin her easy), using terminology from the film to convey it's ideas.
A common idea for Dudeists is not so much they are converted to the religion but it is a convenient label by which others (who are bothered about such things) can use to categorise them. In many of the threads discussing why we are Dudeists many of us can be found saying it is the best fit to how we are, and that we were actually Dudeists before we actually knew what the religion is.
oh and Da Stranger try not to take things too seriously. It's difficult to portray thetounge in cheeck attitude when all this is just in text.
Clear and perspicacious. Thank you very much! Somehow I missed out on the movie and only saw it the first time about a month ago, but I identify--been dabbling with Buddhism and Taoism for 30 years. Just from reading here (I found the dudeism site over a year ago, before seeing the movie), I thought I had a fair handle on Dudeism (and I even get the idea of convenient label), but not on the other ism. Thanks!
Quote from: meekon5 on August 28, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: TrapperDude on August 28, 2010, 05:28:47 PM
Serious question from a real n00b: what IS the difference between Lebowskism and Dudeism? Thanks!
The Lebowskist is a devotee of the film "The Big Lebowski", they spend a lot of the time quoting the film (look at the facebook group for instance), but, to quote the zen, they are empty gourds making a lot of noise but little sense.
The Dudeist is trying to follow a path that is a synthesis of Taoism and the Slacker ethic, as exemplified by the example of the character the Dude (Based on Jeff Dowd) from the Coen Brothers film "The Big Lebowski". It is a mystical tradition based on none action (takin her easy), using terminology from the film to convey it's ideas.
A common idea for Dudeists is not so much they are converted to the religion but it is a convenient label by which others (who are bothered about such things) can use to categorise them. In many of the threads discussing why we are Dudeists many of us can be found saying it is the best fit to how we are, and that we were actually Dudeists before we actually knew what the religion is.
oh and Da Stranger try not to take things too seriously. It's difficult to portray thetounge in cheeck attitude when all this is just in text.
Nice to have astute Dudeist apologists out there helping to spread (and clarify) the Dude word for all us sinners out there. Thankee Meekon.
forumdude, you support meekon5's statement that people who quote the movie are "empty gourds making a lot noise but little sense"??
If Dudeism is the same as Taoism, then what the fuck do we need Dudeism for?
Who has use for a copycat religion?
To me Dudeism IS the fucking movie, man.
The great thing about the movie is that you can find a response to almost every situation in life, and its not an empty response, it has meaning, to those who know the movie, maybe it can be a bit cryptic, but its certainly NOT "a lot of noise but little sense" and if a dude loves to express himorherself by quoting the movie, that don't make himorher "an empty gourd".
I thought meekon5 sounded like a fucking cleft asshole when he said that. No offense meekon5, don't take it personally or seriously dude.
"Is the some sort of Eastern thing?"
"I'm sorry, I wasn't listening"
"the Dude abides man"
LOL
and lets not forget, lets not forget, the splintering down into two....the once unified Dudeism...in a subtle but deadly forum post....well, thats ain't legal either.
Actually, "nothings fucked here Dude!"
Lebowskists are fans of the movie, they are not looking for deeper meaning in it, if they start to, then they enter the realm of Dudeism. Again, we dig their style, but if you are applying spirituality to TBL, then by default you are Dudeist.
The Jedi talk about the Star Wars saga, but they are not all SW fanboys, and fanboys can be Jedi.
There are a lot of ins an outs to keep straight here mang. I suggest limbering up, and pass the J of unification.
Quote from: Da Stranger on August 30, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
...If Dudeism is the same as Taoism, then what the fuck do we need Dudeism for?
Who has use for a copycat religion?...
Miss quoting me there
Quote from: meekon5 on August 28, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
...The Dudeist is trying to follow a path that is a synthesis of Taoism and the Slacker ethic...
And don't get me wrong I completely agree with revgms
Quote from: revgms on August 30, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
..Lebowskists are fans of the movie, they are not looking for deeper meaning in it, if they start to, then they enter the realm of Dudeism. Again, we dig their style, but if you are applying spirituality to TBL, then by default you are Dudeist...
And Da Stranger please stop slinging insults around it undermines your statements
Quote from: Da Stranger on August 30, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
I thought meekon5 sounded like a fucking cleft asshole when he said that. No offense meekon5, don't take it personally or seriously dude.
If you can't discuss your point of view with out it why bother? I'm not against profanity, but you had me interested in your point of view until you did that. All you did there was insult me, then pretend you hadn't, which just annoyed me and stopped me taking your point of view seriously.
And that's the whole point of all of this forum as far as I'm concerned. I'm not trying to be divisive I'm just expressing why I'm here and the way I see things.
I don't claim to be any more right than anyone else here. I can only say it as I see it.
We test our religion by discussing it amongst ourselves and with others.
By the way I was just re-iterating my version of The take it easy manifesto (http://dudeism.com/takeiteasymanifesto.html), where it actually says
Quote from: The take it easy manifesto
Myth (the stories that work on several levels and offer a fairly complete and systematic interpretation of the universe and humanity?s place in it): The Big Lebowski is our founding myth; just as the Christian Gospels, based on the Jesus of history, provide a portrait of the mythical Christ of faith who ?died for all us sinners,? the film, based on the Dude of history (Jeff Dowd), presents the mythical Dude of film (Jeff Bridges) who ?takes it easy for all us sinners.?
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this point.Quote from: Da Stranger on August 30, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
..To me Dudeism IS the fucking movie, man...
Which makes you a Lebowskist, so what? For me you've missed a beautiful point to the whole religion. ;D
But then for me I think other religions suffer from this syndrome as well. How many people do we all know who can quote their holy cannon chapter and verse, but don't seem to have understood the real message the text was conveying, and I mean that across many of the major religions from Islam , through Christianity, to even Buddhism.
Essentially I think the problem here is the text (the film) is not important to me, but the way I live my life as a Dudeist is (using the text as an example, not the be all and end all of my Dudeism).
Where as you find your spirituality in the text.
Different paths to the same destination.
Finally it's difficult to get how serious people are here because it's just text (emoticons don't really help). I spend a lot of time thinking about this shit, but still try to post with an edge of humour, I understand thats British humour which is sometimes a bit difficult to get a handle on.
(and to be completely puerile if "Dudeism IS the fucking movie" then why were you going on about Jeff Dowd in the first place, he's not in the movie.)
Ok I won't sling insults if you won't keep on with this 'holier than thou' elitist attitude....
QuoteWhich makes you a Lebowskist, so what? For me you've missed a beautiful point to the whole religion. Grin
But then for me I think other religions suffer from this syndrome as well. How many people do we all know who can quote their holy cannon chapter and verse, but don't seem to have understood the real message the text was conveying, and I mean that across many of the major religions from Islam , through Christianity, to even Buddhism.
How can you possibly know how deep I see into the film or the religion or what meaning(s) I take from all, both, or any single part of it? Are you talking about me? Or are you talking about yourself Dude?
Over the Line!
It is my understanding that Dudeism is more based on Taoism than the movie, and Taoism is based on the ancient wisdom of abiding. i do not even think it is required to have seen the movie to be a Dudeist.
In fact when I ordained, I had only watched the movie once, back when it hit DVD 9-10 years ago. I had been looking to find a convenient label for others to grasp my point of view. Then I found Dudeism, but I pondered for a year before I ordained, I lurked here and read the Dudespaper and anything written about Dudeism. I also researched Taoism, and started making contacts with different Sanghas. The thing is, I am not Buddhist, even though I identify with them very much, still not quite right, still did not fit perfectly. To many rules.
Went to Zen sittings thinking they would be Dude-like, but even they have too much rigidety for my taste. I say let the meditatioin flow, no need to get up and walk around. Kept thinking if we are gonna just walk, we should walk out to my truck and grab a J.
With the lack of a "bible" of our own, these problems will arise from time to time. However, I think most Dudeists would agree that Dudeism is based on Taoism, and not the movie. More accurately, it is based on abiding, in the Tao understanding, and that the charactor the Dude, personified a being who abides.
Ooops, brb
Quote from: Da Stranger on August 31, 2010, 02:16:35 PM
Ok I won't sling insults if you won't keep on with this 'holier than thou' elitist attitude....
QuoteWhich makes you a Lebowskist, so what? For me you've missed a beautiful point to the whole religion. Grin
But then for me I think other religions suffer from this syndrome as well. How many people do we all know who can quote their holy cannon chapter and verse, but don't seem to have understood the real message the text was conveying, and I mean that across many of the major religions from Islam , through Christianity, to even Buddhism.
How can you possibly know how deep I see into the film or the religion or what meaning(s) I take from all, both, or any single part of it? Are you talking about me? Or are you talking about yourself Dude?
Over the Line!
Again missed the humour.
As for "'holier than thou' elitist attitude" sorry if thats the way it's coming across but that's not how it's written.
Your reading it with far more aggression and far more personally than it's meant.
Thanks again to revgms who has vocalised things particularly well.
"How can you possibly know how deep I see into the film or the religion"
Mate your religion is your religion.
It just seemed you were telling me what my religion was.
Who's line and who is doing the stepping?
Quote from: Da Stranger on August 30, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
forumdude, you support meekon5's statement that people who quote the movie are "empty gourds making a lot noise but little sense"??
If Dudeism is the same as Taoism, then what the fuck do we need Dudeism for?
Who has use for a copycat religion?
To me Dudeism IS the fucking movie, man.
The great thing about the movie is that you can find a response to almost every situation in life, and its not an empty response, it has meaning, to those who know the movie, maybe it can be a bit cryptic, but its certainly NOT "a lot of noise but little sense" and if a dude loves to express himorherself by quoting the movie, that don't make himorher "an empty gourd".
I thought meekon5 sounded like a fucking cleft asshole when he said that. No offense meekon5, don't take it personally or seriously dude.
there's nothing wrong with being an empty gourd. in fact, being an empty gourd is a central tenet of Taoism. However, the gourd must be filled and re-emptied from time to time to have value. i don't think that meekon meant it in a mean way - he just meant that there's more than just the gourd and the emptiness, and many people don't realize that. there's a great deal of pith which the so-called "Lebowskists" miss out on if they only quote the movie but don't look any deeper than the words. You're right that the quotes are replete with meaning. Not everyone realizes this consciously. And that's cool. That's cool. The point is that the movie is bottomless, just as the Tao is bottomless. They are both avenues (or ways) towards the same thing.
We need Dudeism for two reasons: 1) to help people find the Tao, because the Tao was written a long time ago and in a purposefully vague idiom that made it hard to understand and 2) because most people who say they are Taoists these days (including those in China) are following a debased (just an opinion) form of Taoism that spends all its energy cataloging superstitious beliefs and trying to master metaphysical techniques (see Homes Welch's "The Parting of the Way" for more on this).
I don't know why people keep reading Meekon's posts as aggressive or insulting. Maybe it's because he's from England. They have a different parlance, maybe more direct and persnickety than some yanks are accustomed to.
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 06:51:28 AM
...I don't know why people keep reading Meekon's posts as aggressive or insulting. Maybe it's because he's from England. They have a different parlance, maybe more direct and persnickety than some yanks are accustomed to.
Actually I have had this before. In a past job the Americans actually complained that I was rude to them.
I put it down to a mixture of being dyslexic (not diagnosed until I was 29) and working in ICT.
I construct the language a different way because I have had to learn how to use it as a foreign tongue.
There is also the fact that I am sarcastic down to a genetic level. I can't help it, and everyone that knows me just lets it pass, and realises that I am hardly ever serious (I am the laughing Buddha).
you're the laughing duddha, meekon. the preferred nomenclature.
the other thing is that many religious traditions grow out of pre-existing ones. buddhism and jainism grew out of hinduism, christianity and islam grew out of judaism and zoroastrianism. zen and tibetan buddhism grew out of traditional buddhism, etc. etc. they didn't copy those religions, they expanded upon them and edited them.
dudeism is not taoism, per se. it's rooted in taoism but is presently in its nascent stages of development. as it slowly develops canons and texts it will hopefully expand and clarify. and then some day it might get full of shit and fascist too and need a new sect to break away from it in order to recapture the essential message. but hopefully that will be a lot further on down the trail.
the fun thing is watching it take shape on its own. it's a bit like we're all stumbling around together in the dark trying to find the shape of something we know to be there but haven't totally identified yet. i'm pretty stoked the way people seem to implicitly "get it" though.
i think there's a hope among the "dudeists" that the "lebowskists" will gradually come to appreciate the depth and breadth of the movie and also see that it fits into an even deeper and wider whole.
wow, that last sentence sounded like something out of a jackie treehorn movie.
Perhaps ;D if ;D I ;D punctuated ;D every ;D post ;D like ;D this ;D people ;D wouldn't ;D take ;D it ;D quite ;D so ;D personally ;D.
(actually that gives me a headache just trying to read it)
Ok, well that is, even if your the top priest forumdude, still just your opinion.
Now I thought I was a Dudeist, but I guess I am being told that I am a Lebowskist.
I did not know that.
So....what makes a Dudeist, Mr. Lebowski?
Or more specifically....what makes you define me as a Lebowskist?
....And when exactly (an actual date) was Dudeism sanctified into being?
Because I cannot believe it was BEFORE the movie came out!
And I cannot believe that the religion of Dudeism would exist WITHOUT the movie.
Therefore, even if a Dude posts to the forum using mostly quotes from the movie, as many do, how can you judge who is a Dudeist and who is a Lebowskist? And how can you possibly know who sees deeper meaning in the movie and who doesn't?
And then again, forumdude, dont take any offense, but it could all be a fake, man.
This whole thing could just be like Lenin said, as long as you can market your wares and feed the monkey. And then there is, of course, the potsmokers hope that they can legally smoke a J without fear of the reactionaries by claiming religious purposes.
I'm not upset, Dudes, I never was upset! But I'm not gonna let an 8 stand when its really a 0. I mean, Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I wrong?
Well what's your understanding of the Tao? Not sure where, but the answer lies within.
Dudeism is just a label for a concept that has been around forever.
Sure "Dudeism" may not have existed with out the movie, but there would be some thing else in it's place that would be what we have here. The key to this mystery is abiding, it is waking up again in the west, and this is how it is expressing it self. But it is not new, just updated for fashion, so to speak.
As far as the great pot smokers hope, there are other sites better suited for that discusion, SAFER, NORML and LEAP are good for that. I think when it comes to the drug laws, most Dudeists would probably just say, "I'm sorry, I wasn't listening". There are better "religions for that sort of thing. One only needs to be a Taoist who honors Wa Mu, or even an Ethiopian Coptic.
Quote from: Da Stranger on September 01, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Ok, well that is, even if your the top priest forumdude, still just your opinion.
Now I thought I was a Dudeist, but I guess I am being told that I am a Lebowskist.
I did not know that.
So....what makes a Dudeist, Mr. Lebowski?
Or more specifically....what makes you define me as a Lebowskist?
....And when exactly (an actual date) was Dudeism sanctified into being?
Because I cannot believe it was BEFORE the movie came out!
And I cannot believe that the religion of Dudeism would exist WITHOUT the movie.
Therefore, even if a Dude posts to the forum using mostly quotes from the movie, as many do, how can you judge who is a Dudeist and who is a Lebowskist? And how can you possibly know who sees deeper meaning in the movie and who doesn't?
And then again, forumdude, dont take any offense, but it could all be a fake, man.
This whole thing could just be like Lenin said, as long as you can market your wares and feed the monkey. And then there is, of course, the potsmokers hope that they can legally smoke a J without fear of the reactionaries by claiming religious purposes.
I'm not upset, Dudes, I never was upset! But I'm not gonna let an 8 stand when its really a 0. I mean, Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I wrong?
you're not wrong da stranger, you're just being a bit reactionary about the whole thing. you're whatever you want to call yourself. it don't matter to the dudeist. most of us believe that dudeism existed before the movie, only it wasn't called "dudeism." but we don't care too much about labels. we believe that the big lebowski helped bring old shit to light in a new way. "dudeism" is just a convenient vehicle to frame the conversation and elaborate the age-old concept. if you want to restrict dudeism to just the movie, that's your prerogative. most of us won't be on board with that but feel free to argue that point. however, you might want to read a bit of the dudespaper and perhaps "the year's work in lebowski studies" to get an idea of how TBL can be seen to fit into a larger framework. this is your homework larry.
if you look around you'll probably see that a ton of work has gone into the site and the modest amount of bones or clams or what have you that we get to help feed the monkey is only incidental. if you don't dig our style (or the fact that we sell tee shirts) then you're free to start your own commercial-free dudeism or what have you.
i'm tempted to say "why don't you fucking listen occasionally, you might learn something" but i don't want to have that misconstrued as angry or aggressive. but i will say this: get off your high torino and take a look at the conversation here and elsewhere. you're casting stones where there is nothing to get stoned.
we'd prefer if you'd get stoned with us but if you don't dig our style then we'll catch ya further on down the trail.
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Da Stranger on September 01, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Ok, well that is, even if your the top priest forumdude, still just your opinion.
Now I thought I was a Dudeist, but I guess I am being told that I am a Lebowskist.
I did not know that.
So....what makes a Dudeist, Mr. Lebowski?
Or more specifically....what makes you define me as a Lebowskist?
....And when exactly (an actual date) was Dudeism sanctified into being?
Because I cannot believe it was BEFORE the movie came out!
And I cannot believe that the religion of Dudeism would exist WITHOUT the movie.
Therefore, even if a Dude posts to the forum using mostly quotes from the movie, as many do, how can you judge who is a Dudeist and who is a Lebowskist? And how can you possibly know who sees deeper meaning in the movie and who doesn't?
And then again, forumdude, dont take any offense, but it could all be a fake, man.
This whole thing could just be like Lenin said, as long as you can market your wares and feed the monkey. And then there is, of course, the potsmokers hope that they can legally smoke a J without fear of the reactionaries by claiming religious purposes.
I'm not upset, Dudes, I never was upset! But I'm not gonna let an 8 stand when its really a 0. I mean, Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I wrong?
you're not wrong da stranger, you're just being a bit reactionary about the whole thing. you're whatever you want to call yourself. it don't matter to the dudeist. most of us believe that dudeism existed before the movie, only it wasn't called "dudeism." but we don't care too much about labels. we believe that the big lebowski helped bring old shit to light in a new way. "dudeism" is just a convenient vehicle to frame the conversation and elaborate the age-old concept. if you want to restrict dudeism to just the movie, that's your prerogative. most of us won't be on board with that but feel free to argue that point. however, you might want to read a bit of the dudespaper and perhaps "the year's work in lebowski studies" to get an idea of how TBL can be seen to fit into a larger framework. this is your homework larry.
if you look around you'll probably see that a ton of work has gone into the site and the modest amount of bones or clams or what have you that we get to help feed the monkey is only incidental. if you don't dig our style (or the fact that we sell tee shirts) then you're free to start your own commercial-free dudeism or what have you.
i'm tempted to say "why don't you fucking listen occasionally, you might learn something" but i don't want to have that misconstrued as angry or aggressive. but i will say this: get off your high torino and take a look at the conversation here and elsewhere. you're casting stones where there is nothing to get stoned.
we'd prefer if you'd get stoned with us but if you don't dig our style then we'll catch ya further on down the trail.
Whoa Dude! Where did that come from??
Da Stranger is like just expressing his opinion man. We're all entitled to our opinion,and this is the right fuckin' place to express it.
Hell...you dudes even let me in! Well most of you anyway! 8^)
But yeah, I can sympathize with Da Stranger. He signs onto a Dudeist forum and get blindsided by the likes of me and my fucked up philosophies.
We all take a little bit of gettin' used to. No sense of getting all reactionary here. Just let the ball roll and roll with the ball.
It's not like he is posting fuckin' spam!
I hate spam...I think I may have told you that??
But like it's your forum and as always...it's just like my opinon man.
Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.
i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.
but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.
anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.
i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.
but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.
anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.
I think Da Stranger's What I am was pointed at me from http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=1457.msg12478#msg12478.
Not sure, just guessing! 8^)
Quote from: cckeiser on September 01, 2010, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Hey CC,
sorry, maybe i was reading it wrong. i've had a bit too much port and it's fucking freezing here in amsterdam where i'm on holiday. not used to having frozen fingers while typing.
i was just getting the idea that da stranger was giving ol meekon a hard time (see related more recent thread) and was casting aspersions where none were due, and that he hadn't done his homework.
but it does seem like our pal da stranger is being a bit strict about what he thinks dudeism should be all about. insisting that it's all about the movie and nothing more sort of misses the point of the whole thing. and i didn't read meekon's post as being blindsiding but maybe i need to re-read it.
anyway, we should all dig the fact that da stranger feels strongly enough to throw his hat into the ring and argue his opinion. i think i was a little defensive because of da stranger's none-so-subtle attack on meekon in the aforementioned related thread. unless it wasn't an attack at all. hard to tell when people are waxing poetic or if they're making literal connections.
I think Da Stranger's What I am was pointed at me from http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=1457.msg12478#msg12478.
Not sure, just guessing! 8^)
Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...
By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...
By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.
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8^) Yeah, I think Da Stranger and I just did! 8^)
ha ha. that's just like your opinion, man. but of course, when i am freezing i am an asshole. i can't believe it's summer here. this is like the dead of winter in LA or the end of the world in Thailand.
Anyway, curious to hear Da Stranger's rebuttal. Also curious to know at whom his diatribe was directed. Seemed a bit over the top to mine eyes.
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 04:25:07 PM
ha ha. that's just like your opinion, man. but of course, when i am freezing i am an asshole. i can't believe it's summer here. this is like the dead of winter in LA or the end of the world in Thailand.
Anyway, curious to hear Da Stranger's rebuttal. Also curious to know at whom his diatribe was directed. Seemed a bit over the top to mine eyes.
Yeah, but then you can be a bit of a reactionary when it comes to defending Dudeism!
I do remember the Dudeism = Buddhism blog.
I think you got called on that one as well! 8^)
Can't really fault you on that though. I can be just as protective of Do No Harm.
BTW, sorry to hear you're freezing, but we would love some of that coldness here in the NE of PA. It's 91 here and it's been close to or in the 90's for most of the week.
I don't go out till sundown!
Mang, Satan sat down over here and now we are stuck in his blazing asshole.
I am up in MA, and my house is in ME, first actual heat wave for ME since 99'.
This whole affair has been pretty interesting. And it was that Dudeism=Buddhism debate that sealed the deal for me. Was already ordained but not talking until then, now I probably wont shut up. Sorry 'bout that, think y'all are stuck with me.
Quote from: revgms on September 01, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
Mang, Satan sat down over here and now we are stuck in his blazing asshole.
I am up in MA, and my house is in ME, first actual heat wave for ME since 99'.
This whole affair has been pretty interesting. And it was that Dudeism=Buddhism debate that sealed the deal for me. Was already ordained but not talking until then, now I probably wont shut up. Sorry 'bout that, think y'all are stuck with me.
Yeah, it's been one long hot Summer for us, I hope we have a long Fall and a short Winter!
I am rather new here myself, so it feels kind of odd for me to welcome others to this forum, but you got my welcome for what it is worth.
That goes for cakebelly and Da Stranger as well. Heck, that goes for anyone who just joined up and lurking.
Come on dudes roll a few frames!
Man, I can't wait for it to cool down, this 100+ heat (here in LA County) is enough to make even the dudeliest Dude 'do a Walter' at the drop of a straw hat.
Thanks for your welcome, cckeiser (and a big hairy welcome to you) - now that my daughters are back at school I should - theoretically - have more time to post. I have rolled a few but they turned out to be gutter-balls. That's the thing with a well broken-in forum: most of what you would have said (or asked) has already been dealt with. However, I do try to turn-up for the games - even if the shoes are rented and I'm using a chipped house ball. ;D
I have been ordained for nearly two years but rarely visited the forum in that time so I can't say I was much of a lurker - just been abiding and grappling with other things (marriage, children, emigration, etc). Now, I hope, I will be able to devote more thought to the way. ;D
Take it easy, you cool fuckers
Quote from: forumdude on September 01, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Hmm. Judges ruling? Anyway, we all dig a little argument. Let's not forget - LETS NOT FORGET - that TBL stars out with a big argument between The Dude and Walter and settles into a nice groove where no grudges are held. That's fucking interesting, man...
By the way, just because I manage the site doesn't mean I'm not above being called a fucking asshole or a goddamn moron. There's no hierarchy here. The Dudely Lama is the same as all the other Dudeists. I'm just an editor and amalgamator, not the authority. Please don't pull any punches.
So to bring the thread back on line.
So what we are saying is Da Stranger is right we are just a bunch of reactionary ex-Buddhist old bastards who spend our time waving our johnsons about trying to out do each other with our jaded homilies, believing everyone is entitled to our opinions.
Where did Da Stranger go? Further on down the trail?
Quote from: forumdude on September 03, 2010, 06:15:21 AM
Where did Da Stranger go? Further on down the trail?
Gone to set up his own version of Dudeism (True Dudeism) based on the original film script.
Congratulations guys we've achieved true religious status we've just had a theological splinter group split from the main body.
Woot, pop the champagne!
Pass the J, we're in the big time now.
Quote from: meekon5 on September 03, 2010, 07:30:44 AM
Quote from: forumdude on September 03, 2010, 06:15:21 AM
Where did Da Stranger go? Further on down the trail?
Gone to set up his own version of Dudeism (True Dudeism) based on the original film script.
Congratulations guys we've achieved true religious status we've just had a theological splinter group split from the main body.
or perhaps the group (http://www.dastranger.com/) of the same title asked for their name back
Hmmmmm.
Oh, Dudes . .
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n262/cakebelly/W2-4UK.jpg)
art by Banksy
also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywVlfTtlMY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywVlfTtlMY)
then again, why don't you all just go bowling
I guess that should have been . .
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n262/cakebelly/W2-4UK2.jpg)
An offering for some Dude-healing ;D
Well the above posting has to be my dumbest, so far; forgot the darn offering, here it is - let us abide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc)
Quote from: cakebelly on September 13, 2010, 12:00:07 PM
Well the above posting has to be my dumbest, so far; forgot the darn offering, here it is - let us abide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc)
Flight of the Conchords is very Dude!
Quote from: cakebelly on September 13, 2010, 12:00:07 PM
Well the above posting has to be my dumbest, so far; forgot the darn offering, here it is - let us abide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycGFGSeKpc)
Oh finally that all makes sense.
I was wondering what you were blathering about. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I didn't get the Concords (http://flightoftheconchords.co.nz/) when I first saw it but they have definatly grown on me.
;D :-[ :D Yeah, I blame . . erm, well me, I guess (too much Tinariwen & Thai inspired mind-dancing).
In all, a righteous Discordian thread and/or a lesson in the art of Abiding.
"The Flight Of The Conchords" are indeed a very Dudely duo (well worth seeking out the two seasons on DVD - I rarely, if ever, encourage folk to buy anything but in this case I happily make an exception); we can learn (and perhaps adopt some of their songs as Dudeist Psalms) a great deal from our lay-brothers and sisters. For example, here is Brett uncharacteristically angry - he has his own way of dealing with anger (and it may be too energetic for most Dudes - but we can adapt):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjgSkfQPSY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjgSkfQPSY)
Indeed, 'To the rug -
all undudeness n shit,
of your heart.'
(Cakey Basho)
Issues of interest. ;D
Quote from: meekon5 on September 01, 2010, 07:43:38 AM
Perhaps ;D if ;D I ;D punctuated ;D every ;D post ;D like ;D this ;D people ;D wouldn't ;D take ;D it ;D quite ;D so ;D personally ;D.
I've had flashbacks that looked like that. Far fucking out, man!
Well, this thread was a little gem I missed last year... how relevent this all seems to the hot topic of the moment.
Just goes to show my stance on the Lebowskiist issue isn't a new one, and there have been some rather grumpy sods around in the past (DaStranger, not Meekon, I mean [kinda ;)].
I'd like to say that this entire thread goes hand in hand with my point about "Moving Dudeism Forwards" and letting it evolve away from being too tied to TBL, so we don't have these sorts of angry folks slinging hurtful words at our beloved compeers. I'm not saying there's a literal connection, but... Hells bells, I've done gone and Lebowskiified my anti-lebowski sentiment :)