Dealing with the environmental crisis, Walter style

[DigitalBuddha]

He's a good man....and thorough...................

Climate Change: What Do Scientists Say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c&t=44s

[BikerDude]

Climate change is real and a serious problem.
(Actually I find it very likely that we are 100% to blame. Billions of cars and power plants and factorys belching into the atmosphere for decades just has got to have some major effects. I'd be extremely amazed if it didn't. The atmosphere is not that big really)
But it's not the end of the world in a couple of decades.
This is the part (lie) that the band wagon people add on to what scientists really do agree on.
And even the things that he quotes are tilted in the way they are written. It says "Some 11,000 researchers of all types and varieties from 153 countries have endorsed the research".
This is IMO intentionally vague. It admits a very low bar for any form of expertise and even if we aren't talking about people trained in the precious art of flower decoration or hair styling and we are talking about real credible scientists it does not equate to 11,000 scientists endorsing the conclusions or the suggestions that are in the article. Those are not part of the research. This sort of article reeks of a forgone conclusions right from the start. And it's loaded with intentionally tilted terminology. Also note that the stated profession of the author is and I quote "environmental correspondent". Give me a freaking break! I think we have to at least take note of the simple fact that without a "climate emergency" the author is unemployed.

This is my point. It is sad that there are so many people on both sides determined to disseminate intentionally and obviously tilted information. It hopelessly muddies the waters and makes any real discussions nearly impossible as people line up at the extremes. Both of which are pure nonsense. This is intentional. Dividing people.
Don't listen to the "Boy's who cried ice age". Fool me 20 times shame on me.

The reality is that we will take sensible measures to address it.
And we will get it under control.
No need to run around with our hair on fire.
I mean how many times are we expected to fall for this sort of BS?
10 or 20 years from now you are going to be doing pretty much what you are now. Sure you may be seeing more stories on the TV about hurricanes and tornadoes and maybe even outbreaks of diseases. But it will be a slow build and we will be taking sensible measure to turn it around.

If you are seriously motivated by this stuff I've got a climate safe fallout shelter that I'd be willing to sell you for an affordable monthly payment plan or $20,000 cash payment.

[Burnout]

This thread is stressing me out man.

We are getting our information from very different media sources, so we are struggling to agree on basic facts.
I would not take any notice of Fox, or Tony Abbot, who are so right wing they are going round in circles.  As for you tube, anybody can say whatever they want on their without any responsibility for fact checking.

That?s why I get my information from the BBC.

[Burnout]

Fossil fuels started being pumped into the atmosphere at the beginning of the eighteen hundreds, with the start of the industrial revolution.

When right wingers, with no or little scientific credibility say climate change is not happening, who is to say they are not the ones who are trying to fool us.  After all, they may well see climate change as a threat to their revenue stream of getting people to work, work, work, and spend spend spend.

Perhaps being less materialistic, and more environmentally friendly, could actually be quite doodly?

[Burnout]

For anyone interested on plastics effect on the ocean, watch Blue Planet 2.

You can see the trailer here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAphgHhlteM

[BikerDude]

This thread is stressing me out man.

We are getting our information from very different media sources, so we are struggling to agree on basic facts.
I would not take any notice of Fox, or Tony Abbot, who are so right wing they are going round in circles.  As for you tube, anybody can say whatever they want on their without any responsibility for fact checking.

That?s why I get my information from the BBC.

This is typical IMO.
Any deviation from what you accept as correct is immediately cast in the most extreme possible light.
I am very far from right wing.
But the point is that there are more than 2 points of view.
Both of those extreme points of view (what we call right and left) are in my opinion incorrect to the point of being ludicrous.
But people seem to stubbornly gravitate to one or the other.
I've been clear that I totally accept that global warming is real, very serious, and caused by humans.
Certainly not right wing.
But I completely reject the extremes that the left insists are supported by science.
When you actually look at the science the projections are not what the left insists that they are.
And all the tilted articles to that effect are just a different flavor of coolaid from the crap that we get from the right which deny the existence of global warming and human beings part in it.
It is real and very serious but not an immediate existential threat.
Not something worth losing sleep over.
Amazingly what I've come to understand is that for some reason the climate change henny penny's seem actually broken hearted when they are confronted by the likelihood that world is not going to be ending any time soon.
It suggests that most of them are drama queens more that the strictly logical and concerned people that they pose as.
Basically the same as the farthest right people with just different flavor of nonsense.

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

[Masked Dude]

I don't think anyone with any actual scientific knowledge honestly believes the world will end in a decade. Those who espouse this view are like many, trying to push their own agenda.

But as soon as anyone expresses any doubt as to any aspect of the predictions, etc, they get labeled as some right-wing nutjob. I am not part of any wing, right or left. That's why I rarely express any real opinions because people would rather argue and call each other names. Left wing wants you to spend spend spend just as much as the right wing. I find the faults and hypocrisy in both sides, yet people always label me with whatever wing they hate.

So for that very reason, I'm ducking out of this conversation. I know I've already been labeled as some right-wing/Republican nutjob and hater, so I'm backing out. My inner Walter is going to get the best of me if I continue talking here. I'm not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or any of that. I research probably way too much, and every opinion I have somehow always get politicized because people want to argue and continue the hatred.

So I'm not taking part. Have fun, dudes.

[DigitalBuddha]

That rug really tied the room together.

Over 30,000 scientists say 'Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming' is a complete hoax and science lie..................

https://www.naturalnews.com/055151_global_warming_science_hoax_climate_skepticism.html

[Burnout]

Sorry for causing a misunderstanding.  I was not meaning to call anyone here right wing, only the organisation and  person stated.  Thanks for your input, you have given me food for thought.
Apologies again.

[BikerDude]

This topic is the type that reminds me of how people are getting very different information depending on which group they gravitate toward.
There is no balance. It's all meant to just keep people divided. These things are called wedge issues.
It's the formula for the 1% to maintain control in a democracy.
In any sensible democracy people would vote for their own interests.
But the dialog doesn't ever talk about their interests.
They just get people amp'ed up about everything except the stuff that really matters.
Remember the old "it's the economy stupid' saying?
Job 1. Keep em separated.
And the BBC is no more or less of a tool for one or the other group of elites than CNN or MSNBC.
Progressive'ism and globalism is nothing but the systematic disassembly of western societies to benefit a small segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd6gQdEG1QE

[DigitalBuddha]

I'll just find a cash machine.

[Rev Dave Man]

Fuck it Dude, let's go bowling.

[HnauHnakrapunt]

I am trying to buy less plastic and turn off the light in empty rooms but I am not into the full Greta Thunberg attitude. What made me really think about the paranoia recently was the new 2008 version of 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' movie where an alien being says all people should be dead for the Earth to survive. That's where it basically ends when taken to the extreme. Annihilate everybody to have blue water and clean forests, all people produce carbon dioxide.