Is Dudeism atheism?

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Reverend Al

Most of the Atheists I've spoken with were far too uptight for my tastes about people believing in a Deity or Deities.  I much prefer an Agnostic stance, because I haven't experienced anything that leads me to absolutely believe there is some form of Supreme Being at work behind everything we know, but I'm not so arrogant that I can absolutely positively say there is no God.  *shrug*  Besides, remaining neutral on the subject just seems more Dudeist anyway.
I don't go to church on Sunday
Don't get on my knees to pray
Don't memorize the books of the Bible
I got my own special way

BikerDude

#17
Quote from: Reverend Al on April 08, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Most of the Atheists I've spoken with were far too uptight for my tastes about people believing in a Deity or Deities.  I much prefer an Agnostic stance, because I haven't experienced anything that leads me to absolutely believe there is some form of Supreme Being at work behind everything we know, but I'm not so arrogant that I can absolutely positively say there is no God.  *shrug*  Besides, remaining neutral on the subject just seems more Dudeist anyway.
Then you are an atheist.
It's a common misconception that "Agnostic" in the context of religious belief is a neutral position.
It is a specific type of atheism.
Agnosticism speaks to the epistemological question.
It is a position that says it is impossible for anyone to justify a belief in God.
"If there is a God no one can ever know it."
Whereas the typical atheist believes that if there is a God it would be possible to show evidence but since no evidence has been shown belief is not warrented.
Atheism doesn't say "there is no God". Typically it's more like "it sounds pretty unlikely and without solid evidence I'm filing it under superstition."
If the answer to the question "does God exist" is yes, you are a theist.
Any other answer, you are an atheist. Including "I don't know".
Theists believe in God, atheists don't.
Beyond that some atheists say "I believe there is no God".
Others take the Agnostic position that it is impossible for anyone to know. "
Most just say" show me the evidence and I'll believe".
But unless a person affirmatively believes in God, they are an atheist.
"I don't know" is essentially synonymous with "I don't believe".
Knowledge is a prerequisite of belief.

As far the Dude's stance the only evidence we have is the reading material on his bookshelf which is decidedly atheist in subject matter. The only mention of anything religious has to do with Walter's Judaism, which seems to be a source of annoyance to the Dude. In any event the Dude would avoid arguing about it. That has nothing to do with his beliefs. He'd say "fuck it" and steal the rug on the way out.


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HnauHnakrapunt

#18
To me the question is not that much if you are an atheist or an agnostic but if you are antitheist or anticlerical. That is the part that the believing guys perceive the most. Recently I listened a bit to Robert Wright talking about Buddhism and Darwin (or Darwin Dharma as he calls it) and he managed to do a whole university course without spitting once on gods or priests, which make him a nice guy even if he claims we have monkey reactions and no soul.
As for the Dude - I would not call him antitheist or anticlerical in the way one can experience during atheist talks like 'bugger that men in black'. Does not look like a regular churchgoer but that's it.
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HnauHnakrapunt

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Quote from: Hominid on May 29, 2021, 07:52:32 AM
My dudely $0.02.  https://www.niceguyjim.com/wolfspeak/scale.html
Difference between 6,7 and 8 is what I was talking about above. 'No, thank you' or 'Go away, you irrational idiot'.

As for the other side, Burns wrote something about it
http://www.robertburns.org/works/93.shtml
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OutlawGod

Where I stand on this, right now, is that if someone approached me this minute and proved beyond all dispute that there was a God, it would have no effect on what I'm doing tomorrow. And, by the same token, if someone proved to me that there was no God, it still wouldn't change anything for me. I have my internal compass, I have my meter of Reason, and I have my ability to question and adjust both. So, to me, as a Dudeist, "God" is irrelevant. I don't see this as "atheism" because I don't disbelieve in God per se, just that "God" would have no function in my world view. Abide of that what you will.