Russian hacks

[BikerDude]

So you are serious about this stuff?
We have had some nut jobs but holy crow!
Seek therapy.

You all are responding about as I expected.

I am probably wrong about a few points. For example, my points about the Clinton mafia's child sex trafficking, ritual child sacrifice, cannibalism, and abuse of pineal glands as a drug is supported mostly by a Wikileaks-leaked staff email where a staffer says she will "sacrifice a chicken (child) to Moloch in the backyard" for good luck, by the fact that Clinton's video-documented Parkinsons-like and Parkinsons' dementia-like symptoms, uncontrollable evil laughter at inappropriate times, and the plug removed from her tongue match the medical description of Kuro, a prion disease similar to mad cow disease that you can only get by eating humans (children), by the Wikileaks leaked email by Podesta discussing Spirit Cooking, which is an occult ritual championed by Abramovic involving the consumption of various bodily fluids, by photographs of the Podestas with Abramovic, the many Podesta emails using obvious code words and phrases such as "playing dominoes on cheese or pasta" and "handkerchief with a pizza-related map" that match with an FBI document describing pedophilia code words, by the fact that Clinton got a convicted abductor of 33 children from Haiti, Laura Silsby, off the hook, the obvious necessity of killing child prostitution victims to eliminate witnesses, the lack of any motive to restrict deviant behavior once one has gone as far as child sex trafficking, and the connections of all this to journalist Hunter S. Thompson's discussion of Adrenochrome and pineal glands in his book "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," which seems to allude to real-world events. The fine details of all this are partly from the pizzagate community and partly from my own research after pizzagate came out, but I came to this general opinion about a month before that meme started from my own research.

It is possible that the Clinton mafia merely push illegal wars for purposes of bribery and insider trading, not explicitly to produce orphans through war and to improve the operating environment for child abductors such as ISIS and Boko Haram via the breakdown of society in their geographical regions to increase supply of orphans to the black market. The orphans might just be a happy side-effect. It is also possible that they only purchase fun time with children and cover for child sex traffickers in government out of self-interest to maintain supply, but return the children to their abductors when they are finished and do not concern themselves with the details of the childrens' acquisition, management, and disposal. So, they might not be quite as evil as I suspect. You will be changing your tune in 2 years or so once some of what will doubtlessly be a long and complicated clusterf**k of court cases start producing convictions.

[SagebrushSage]

Of course I'm serious. Podesta's staff emails are creepy AF. Since they are gmail emails, they are cryptographically verified. Google includes this feature so that emails can be more reliably used as evidence in court. Podesta and Obama do not dispute the authenticity of the Podesta emails or the DNC leaks.  DNC staffers such as Wasserman-Shultz and Brazile have lost jobs over these leaks.

Also, the NYPD was involved in the Clinton emails because they discovered Clinton's full archive of emails on Weiner's laptop during a child pornography/sexting with a minor investigation into Congressman Weiner, Abedin's husband. A chief of the NYPD said in a press conference that Clinton's emails on Weiner's laptop contained disturbing evidence of child prostitution, and that the NYPD would blow the whistle if the FBI blew off the evidence.

Also, look up "Creepy Biden" on Youtube. It's merely corroborating evidence, but Biden has fondled little girls multiple times on CSPAN.

[Dudeist Monk]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7aItpjF5vXc - The Lunatics Are Taking Over The Asylum - Fun Boy Three.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D1GrJHe0yvU - What The World Needs Now, Jackie DeShannon (via Burt Baccarach).

[SagebrushSage]

Oh, don't worry. The crazy people will only be running the asylum until January 20th. After that, hopefully the sane people replacing them will successfully execute the criminals among the old establishment leadership for treason. Following a fair and speedy trial under the law for all concerned, of course.

[Dudeist Monk]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mWmtyLz4Srg

"Everybody Knows That You Are Insane - Queens Of The Stone Age

You wanna know why you feel so hollow?
Because you are.
You're missing out? Well if you say so
Then you're missing out

Everybody knows that you are insane
You wanna know just how long you can hide from what you are?
Not very long
I have been lost. Down every road i follow out in the dark
On my way home

But i feel nothing. Am i better yet?

Everybody knows that you are insane"

[Jianblade]

You're delusional. I donno why people cling to these insane conspiracy theories. Is it because it gives them a morbid sense of security? Anywho, 17 American intelligence agencies have come out with evidence of the Russians tampering with the election. Not by actually tampering with the electoral process, but releasing key information at strategic times. Also many intelligence agencies, not just American ones, have found many fake news sites pushing "pizzagate" and other nonesense in order to discredit Clinton, who would have taken a harder line against the Russians. I fear Trump is going to stand idly by and let Russia gobble up it's neighbors, and that's why they spread all of this misinformation about Clinton.

[SagebrushSage]

So, investigative journalism and reporting to an international audience are "election interference" now? Americans have a right to receive international news. The community of nations is supposed to be watchful of each other as part of the international system of checks and balances. The international oversight of the American government by Russia and other countries is a public service to everybody. If Russia is responsible for the leaks, we should be thankful that our Russian friends are keeping a close eye on our politicians and letting American citizens know what they find out.

If Trump and Putin's desire for friendly Russian-American relations is such a threat, then the Democrat Party should not have permitted a candidate to run who is deeply mistrusted by the public and who has a lifetime of scandals. Also, if the Clinton campaign did not want certain information to get out, they should have followed standard information security protocols. Sanders is a good man who has sensible opinions and no scandals. He would have beaten Trump handily. I supported him. The election was the Democrats' to lose. All the Democrats had to do was reform, and they would have gotten away with everything scot free.

Through Bernie, the people extended a golden olive branch of forgiveness to the elites. In response, the elites cheated Bernie of his rightfully-won nomination, stomping the olive branch into the mud and spitting in the people's faces. Now, they get no forgiveness. They get Trump, and justice.

[Jianblade]

Hacking into the RNC and DNC servers is not "investigative journalism". It's fraud.

[Jianblade]

If getting friendly with Russia means standing by and letting them bully their neighbors in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, I want no part of it, even if it means a continuation of the status quo.

[SagebrushSage]

If it's not investigative journalism, it's espionage. Espionage is not fraud. Espionage, including "hacking," is an ordinary part of international affairs. We spy on our friends, and our friends spy on us. It is unsavory, but necessary. Espionage is non-violent, it provides third-party oversight, and it helps countries make more nuanced and informed foreign policy decisions. Espionage prevents war by helping to catch developing problems before war becomes necessary and while diplomatic options are still available. Threatening military violence in response to espionage like the Democrat leadership is doing is completely absurd, unprecedented, and out of line with diplomatic norms. We cannot permit violence in response to "hacking" from our leadership because this line of reasoning enables complete fabrication of cassus belli with only words. We can't let them start WWIII on the sole basis of an internally-produced sheet of paper.

As for Russian "bullying," Europe has many great armies and is perfectly capable of defending itself from border skirmishes. Europe far exceeds Russia in wealth and population collectively. Our expensive presence on the continent is unnecessary, and it infringes upon the rights of Europeans anyway. For anything short of total war, we should definitely stand by and let Russia bully their neighbors in Ukraine and Eastern Europe. Their border disputes have not been our responsibility since the collapse of the Soviet Union. We need to work with Russia to destroy ISIS, since our actions resulted in that group's existence. Otherwise, we need to stop meddling in foreign conflicts. Our collective ignorance and hubris with regards to foreign policy only makes the world more violent.

[Jianblade]

You're really good at twisting the truth to suit your paranoid delusions. I've never seen anyone bend over backwards so much to justify a political position that's based on conspiracy nonsense. 

[Jianblade]

As for Russian "bullying," Europe has many great armies and is perfectly capable of defending itself from border skirmishes. Europe far exceeds Russia in wealth and population collectively. Our expensive presence on the continent is unnecessary, and it infringes upon the rights of Europeans anyway. For anything short of total war, we should definitely stand by and let Russia bully their neighbors in Ukraine and Eastern Europe. Their border disputes have not been our responsibility since the collapse of the Soviet Union. We need to work with Russia to destroy ISIS, since our actions resulted in that group's existence. Otherwise, we need to stop meddling in foreign conflicts. Our collective ignorance and hubris with regards to foreign policy only makes the world more violent.

Tell that to Ukraine.

[forumdude]

You're really good at twisting the truth to suit your paranoid delusions. I've never seen anyone bend over backwards so much to justify a political position that's based on conspiracy nonsense.

I really don't like the fact that Dudeism attracts so many conspiracy theorists who only seek out info that supports their pet theories. This is the opposite of what Dudeism is all about, in my opinion. I'm going to close this topic and probably ban this sort of crap

[forumdude]

Sagebrush, you're totally welcome here, but please peddle this stuff elsewhere.