Hichens on Islam

[BikerDude]

Well dude, it's been boring here for a while other than chatter about primaries, which I don't understand other than watching Trump being a circus clown.  ChristianDude has been the best one yet, no?

It was a new approach.
Leveraging dudeism to stifle free expression.
I mean the stifling of all criticism of Christianity is not new but he seems to be saying that it is out of bounds for dudeists. OK it may be undude but being undude is not undude. Even the dude is sometimes undude. And that's cool man. Some things just will not stand man. The dude minds man.

[Hominid]

Fucking perfect.

[The Guro]

I wonder what the record is for most uses of 'dude' In a single post.

[RandoRock]

It was a new approach.
Leveraging dudeism to stifle free expression.
I mean the stifling of all criticism of Christianity is not new but he seems to be saying that it is out of bounds for dudeists. OK it may be undude but being undude is not undude. Even the dude is sometimes undude. And that's cool man. Some things just will not stand man. The dude minds man.

That was my favorite part of all this, using Dudeism as a way to censor Dudeists. It's brilliant really but Christianity has 3000 years practice censoring people so they've gotten quite good at it by now.

[The Guro]

RandoRock, Hominid, BikerDude, Liam... I am w/o words.

Free Expression walks a fine line sometimes with Libel, hate speech, and in moderated forums (some exist)... acceptable conduct.

Your hiding behind the pretense of free speech to evangelize anti-theism. And you didn't accidentally trip and make a post in the forum "Under the Influence"... So the fact that you made those posts "to sow discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."

All other smoke and bull and other considerations aside... You guys practically wrote that definition. If you don't see or acknowledge that... "Fuck it"

FYI Liam... I am retired US Army (last year), Grad Student, sitting at home when not working on businesses and websites, with a wife and 5 kids... Thanks to many of you for funding my Pay Checks! But I can see where you would be tempted to envision me the way you did... give or take the age of many on this forum... they probably are living at home with their mothers... not that that's a bad thing if they are taking care of them in their old age:) I know Hominid fit my mental picture perfectly I dig the awesome Dude look he has going on... Not kidding at all 

OMD! BikerDude I could write a whole freak'n book on putting down others from the posts you have initiated alone! HAHAHAHAHA! You really did make me laugh on that one. At least you have been honest many times in saying you are amused by your efforts in belittling others Theistic views. It really doesn't take much digging to establish your MO. And I do enjoy reading many of your post for varied reasons and appreciate some of your clever turns... BUT FOR THE LAST TIME... Not when they are off-topic and especially Counter-Topic to where they are posted. That is my primary opinion... since no one of any matter backs me up on that... that's all I got... an opinion that is completely overwhelmed by a consensus of like-minded (bias) individuals. "being undude is not undude"? Your logic is astounding... Is the rule of double negatives being applied to this?

Don't read into my words... If I want to make a point clear... it is... that was my specialty. Putting your Anti-Theist BS in some other forum made for it is not censorship... It's keeping the integrity of the forums organization so people find what they are looking for when they choose to explore it based on the descriptions given. Too frik'n simple isn't it? You don't see me running all over the place giving two sheets about any of this crap in any other forum section do you? No... You don't. (99% sure about that anyway... I did dig around when I first arrived here)

Regarding my criticism of the posts themselves... My apparent 'opinion"... You all keep trying to expand this into a "Christians" vs "Whatever you call yourselves" issue and ignore the fact that no matter what group this crap is aimed at... it is Undude. And yes Liam... with a number of Books, Sites, Articles, and Interviews... There frik'n is a loosley defined official stance on 'Dudeist Theology' that can and WILL be held up as a standard when people look at Dudeism in contrast to what we do and how we present ourselves (which LITERALLY IS representing Dudeism)

I just got this recently in the Letter of Good Standing...

As a minister, preacher and official representative of our worldwide faith we ask that you recognize the Reverend's authority...

I am sure this scares or appalls many of you since I am a Christian... But I am abiding in the role as touching Dudeism. I have a line my 'TOE' doesn't cross... And a huge part of that is all the stuff I have quoted directly from Dudeism regarding my treatment (especially for the world to see and judge Dudeism by) of other world views. Those secure in their own and abiding do not need to attack others... even IF (I say especially if) there goal is to evangelize.

This is supposed to be fun... a bit tongue in cheek... but some real 'Truth' actually does abide in Dudeism in regards to a better way to walk through life... It goes sour fast when hate, disrespect, derision, and the like shows through to be at people core. And I would say the same thing in defense of any 'World View' that is accepted here.

If you can't share this 'point of view'... try taking off the 'this guy is a dumb theist and thinks we are picking on him' tinted glasses and reading my posts again. I am not here promoting Theism... Yes my name is 'Christian' Dude... According to 'Biker' Dude... I don't fit that bill anyway (not a trinitarian). Half the people here are "Something"Dude... Based on whim, irony, or personal interests. It's part of their 'Dudeism'... Might be hard not to "knee-jerk' someone if they came in here as 'Nazi' Dude I suppose... But would that be tolerated here? Not so sure... been some genocide and murder talk here and there regarding certain patriarchs... Taking out one that birthed two whole ethnicities and several 'world views' could be construed as a surgical genocide...

[Hominid]

I am not here promoting Theism...

This is where you have blinders on.  Being overtly christian *IS* promoting theism.  Outsiders see no difference between the two, simply because one wouldn't exist without the other. Some snippets of some of your posts:

Abiding in Christ,

Christian Dude

2 Timothy 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

...also...

My intent as a Dudeist Priest who abides in Christ is to simply promote the Dudeliness of my Lord (not God) Jesus Christ

Finally...

In other words... I am not here (in this forum) to lay out Theism or evangelize as a Christian (I can do that if I choose on my own site... This site is for Dudeism)... but to promote Jesus and First Draft Christianities contributions as they align with being a Dudeist (let me know if I cross that line:)

... you asked us if you crossed the line, so we responded.   

[The Guro]

I'll give you the first one. But your assertion of

Being overtly christian *IS* promoting theism.  Outsiders see no difference between the two, simply because one wouldn't exist without the other.

While at a basic and literal level being 'ChristianDude' is an outward statement of where I am coming from... So what? I hate repeating things so much... "___ Dude" names abound on this board and run the gambit of lifestyle, humor, and even 'world views'... I can't help it if you chose Hominid to express yourself:)

I think that was one of my first few posts and it was only aimed at illustrating the capacity for people to wrongly interpret/divide. But a deity was mentioned:)

The second... No. I am pretty sure that's the whole point of a Christian even bothering with Dudeism and the stance of its founders... there is Dudeness to be had... that forum thread is where it's supposed to get discussed.

But thanks.

[Hominid]

You crossed the line, but your false humility about wanting to know if you did is just a thinly veiled attempt to keep us engaged, because, well, you still think we're all bigoted assholes.  So, just because you think everyone else criticizing you are wrong, and you right, doesn't make it so. Doesn't matter what fucking thread you're in dude, now you're sounding all dogmatic we're not using the right room in which to argue...  *Sigh*

[The Guro]

You crossed the line, but your false humility about wanting to know if you did is just a thinly veiled attempt to keep us engaged, because, well, you still think we're all bigoted assholes.  So, just because you think everyone else criticizing you are wrong, and you right, doesn't make it so. Doesn't matter what fucking thread you're in dude, now you're sounding all dogmatic we're not using the right room in which to argue...  *Sigh*

No... I don't think you're all bigoted assholes... If that were the case (still being determined 😉) I wouldn't waste any time conversing with you or looking at your web pages. And my primary point from nearly the beginning was that you were "carpet bombing" a thread with trolling negativity. A separate issue entirely from what your doing. And one that I never considered would be so hard to gain support in. Too easy... Don't piss on other people's 'world views' in a thread meant to tie it together in its influence on Dudeism. It is very hard to resist belittling when this simple concept and courtesy seems so hard for people to grasp.

Can you comprehend or see anything I have said as reasonable or agree on any level? *Sigh* and *shaking head*

My humility is not false. Ask ForumDude and a few others... I have reached out regarding what my proper conduct should be and how to best abide here in an obviously potentially hostile environment. That's why I am even bothering to appeal to you and the community.

I am not a random dude who just for shits and giggles signed up for ordination in a slapstick religion based on a quirky movie. I think it has merit in and of itself, something to aid me in my 'world view' as a Christian, and something to aid others wherever they are at. So yes... I have an Agenda... promote Dudeism and the idea Christians can do it.

[BikerDude]

I will repeat.
Criticising Christianity is no more putting people down than criticising supply side economics. If someone took that sort of criticism as a personal insult it would be seen as absurd. But Christians just like Muslims are simply incapable of prcieving any criticism of their faith as anything other than a personal attack.

[The Guro]

I will repeat.
Criticizing Christianity does not personally insult me (but most people don't just insult Christianity... they call names and make character assumptions, etc)... Your inability to abide by forum topics however is pretty annoying. I would be just as annoyed if I was looking in a forum thread about "Why suicide isn't the answer" and some ____ started 80% of the Threads with the subject being "Suicide is the answer... 101 ways to pull it off". Your analogy of a completely impersonal business process to a religion is simply absurd... religion, politics, 'lifestyle' choices...are extremely personal and apt to chap peoples assess. But I suppose econ nerds might feel the same too...

If people want to see your posts about how stupid you think Christianity is or how harmful you think it can be... or whatever your Anti-Theist rants and agendas you want to promote... THE LAST FUCKING PLACE THEY WOULD LOOK is a forum section entitled "The Jesus: There was a lot that was very Dudeish about Christianity's original, uncompromised first draft."! If you can't get that shit... __________________ long enough to clear your head and check the condition of your condition because you are one thick headed dude.

Did that satisfy your Troll desire to exasperate someone with what appears to be an inability to understand simple freak'n concepts? Gotta give you a win somewhere.

Stop trying to redirect and degenerate into your Anti-Theist counter accusations of Christians feeling butt-hurt about being criticized. I'd expect nothing less here in spite of the lofty assertions of what Dudeism is trying to project... in a VERY uphill battle with members like you working hard to tear those ideals down... or at the VERY least apply them selectively to exclude beliefs you don't dig.

I am feeling like you are personally attacking me in my ability to convey simple concepts in my primary language 

[The Guro]

Come to think of it... *Looking around at thread*

I didn't realize that Islam was a contributing influence to Dudeism as the location of this forum thread might imply either?

Hmmm.

[RandoRock]

Why don't you just try and flood the forum with all the pro Christian topics you can come up with? You post what you want, we'll post what we want and the world will just keep on spinning. A lot of the posts you are criticizing for their unchristian content are from before you ever got here; so instead of wandering in during the middle of all these conversations you view as negative why not just start your own with the messages that you wish to convey? If you want to use this forum for a specific purpose then do so through your own actions instead of trying to change the actions of others.

Since you like quotes so much:

"be the change you want to see in the world"

"Live and let live."

"Start with the man in the mirror, ask him to change his ways."

You're being a Walter in a room full of Dudes and you are in-fact the only one around here that gives a shit about the rules.

[Hominid]

Lemme guess...  He's going to dissuade you with quotes about how you're not following the tenants of dudeism, and not using the right forum.

Maybe more, but we'll start with that.

[RandoRock]

Oh I know, I'm well beyond the point where I think there is even the slightest chance anything I say to him will register but I am nonetheless going to keep trying because I'm on a boring post at work and I have nothing better to do.