Christianity a fake! - new shit has come to light!

[Hominid]

DB: lol!

Rev Paddy Cakes: of course what you say is very true, from the standpoint of anyone viewing the whole scene objectively. But to any card-carrying holy book-thumping religious person (insert any religion here...), you'd be labelled a heretic, which is the inherent problem with religion in the first place.  Given enough slack, these zealous religious people would take from you and me our freedoms and rights.  It's religion that caused 9-11. It's religion that was behind the Spanish Inquisition. I could go on, but I think you get my point... this aggression should not stand! It's un-dude!  They have no clue what bowling is all about... or drinking beer for that matter.

[DigitalBuddha]

They have no clue what bowling is all about... or drinking beer for that matter.

Beer School......

http://www.craftbeer.com/beer-studies/beer-schools

[meekon5]

What do you put in the word 'fake'? As in, artificial? Well all of them are. Each and every one of them was made up, written down and distributed for and by other people...

Prove that statement conclusively please.

(please don't think I am disagreeing with you, but if you are going to make a statement as broad as that I'm sorry but I believe you have to back it up).

I can't.
Same as none can prove that their religion was given to them by a deity or multiple deities. It's often either a messiah or just astronomical knowledge with personified celestial bodies.

The point I'm making is, yes the abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) claim their religion is given them by god, the Buddhists, and Taoists, claim no such thing, theirs is a vision of reality perceived without Deity.

[Bullett00th]

The point I'm making is, yes the abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) claim their religion is given them by god, the Buddhists, and Taoists, claim no such thing, theirs is a vision of reality perceived without Deity.

Indeed, which is why I prefer to call them philosophies of life, rather than religions in the sense that we are used to.

However that doesn't change the fact that these philosophies were made by mankind. I understand and completely agree with your point. What I'm trying to say with mine is that none of these were 'handed out' by a deity or multiple deities. It's all the work of mankind's fascinating and vivid imagination that demands for an explanation to everything, even if it means personifying certain objects, places or events.

[Rev Paddy Cakes]

But to any card-carrying holy book-thumping religious person (insert any religion here...), you'd be labelled a heretic

That is definitely a handle I would self apply. In fact, just a couple of months ago I talked to members of the Antioch Christian Ministries who applied that to me in a more roundabout way when I described my views to them. It was an enjoyable conversation for me anyways.

[Hominid]

It was an enjoyable conversation for me anyways.

Ya, I like a good debate with anyone willing to tangle with me as well.  Heretics of the world unite!!!

[DigitalBuddha]

The bottom line for me is this; to say that Jesus dude didn't exist is the same ole' problem of proving a negative, which is impossible. So to say the dude wasn't a real person doesn't hold too much water IMHO. All you can say is he might have and no one knows much about the dude.

Am I wrong, or just an asshole? 

[Rev Paddy Cakes]

Am I wrong, or just an asshole?

Well than I could be an asshole as well. I like the bottom line and believe it is essentially the same thing I was talking about in my convoluted post above. If we all agree that "no one knows much" in general, I think we're good.

[DigitalBuddha]

Am I wrong, or just an asshole?

Well than I could be an asshole as well. I like the bottom line and believe it is essentially the same thing I was talking about in my convoluted post above. If we all agree that "no one knows much" in general, I think we're good.

So then I say; fuck it, let's get us a lane after a dude like conversation at the bar about Jesus dude.

[Hominid]

The bottom line for me is this; to say that Jesus dude didn't exist is the same ole' problem of proving a negative, which is impossible. So to say the dude wasn't a real person doesn't hold too much water IMHO. All you can say is he might have and no one knows much about the dude.

Am I wrong, or just an asshole? 

That's absolutely true: you can't prove a negative (philosophy 101).  So... my point here is that it is contingent on those who say he DID exist to prove it.  Same thing as with God, or any fairy tale for that matter... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!  I prefer to rely on evidence and fact...

And no, you're not an asshole: it was me not fully explaining myself! 

[DigitalBuddha]

The bottom line for me is this; to say that Jesus dude didn't exist is the same ole' problem of proving a negative, which is impossible. So to say the dude wasn't a real person doesn't hold too much water IMHO. All you can say is he might have and no one knows much about the dude.

Am I wrong, or just an asshole? 

That's absolutely true: you can't prove a negative (philosophy 101).  So... my point here is that it is contingent on those who say he DID exist to prove it.  Same thing as with God, or any fairy tale for that matter... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!  I prefer to rely on evidence and fact...

And no, you're not an asshole: it was me not fully explaining myself! 

That's just like a really good opinion, man. Fuckin' eh!


More beer.........

[meekon5]

The bottom line for me is this; to say that Jesus dude didn't exist is the same ole' problem of proving a negative, which is impossible. So to say the dude wasn't a real person doesn't hold too much water IMHO. All you can say is he might have and no one knows much about the dude.

Am I wrong, or just an asshole? 

That's absolutely true: you can't prove a negative (philosophy 101).  So... my point here is that it is contingent on those who say he DID exist to prove it.  Same thing as with God, or any fairy tale for that matter... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!  I prefer to rely on evidence and fact...

And no, you're not an asshole: it was me not fully explaining myself!

Actually this may be a bit of  a cop out but I firmly believe that your universe (multiverse, whatever) is exactly as you perceive it, because it is all coming from in you anyway. From any individuals point of view they are the center of everything. If you believe in some deity then you will go about your business seeing his (or her) hand in all things, if you don't then you wont.

Applies for all things, ghosts, gods, pixies, alien abduction. just because you don't believe in any gods does not mean they are not real to me.

[Hominid]

just because you don't believe in any gods does not mean they are not real to me.

Therein lies the problem. Things don't exist just because someone believes in them... Different "truths" cannot coexist; we all live in the same place. That's like playing tennis without the net, making things (and rules) up as we go along... If someone cannot prove the existence of something unseen, unfelt, unheard, and depends only on faith to explain its existence, then that doesn't cut the mustard IMHO. I agree that it is the individual's interpretation of reality that gives them an *opinion* of whether unseen deities exist, but that's only a function of our pre-frontal cortex. Perception and interpretation does not MAKE reality; that's the tail wagging the dog, is it not? 

I know a lot of ink has been spilled trying to prove otherwise, but if the existence anything, including this universe, in its magnitude, size, and age, was dependant on some poor schmuck's imagination, then there would be no agreement - and hence - no cohesiveness in the universe whatsoever. It existed long before we did, and will after we leave, excluding Schrodinger's cat.  ;-)

[DigitalBuddha]

The bottom line for me is this; to say that Jesus dude didn't exist is the same ole' problem of proving a negative, which is impossible. So to say the dude wasn't a real person doesn't hold too much water IMHO. All you can say is he might have and no one knows much about the dude.

Am I wrong, or just an asshole? 

That's absolutely true: you can't prove a negative (philosophy 101).  So... my point here is that it is contingent on those who say he DID exist to prove it.  Same thing as with God, or any fairy tale for that matter... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!  I prefer to rely on evidence and fact...

And no, you're not an asshole: it was me not fully explaining myself!

Actually this may be a bit of  a cop out but I firmly believe that your universe (multiverse, whatever) is exactly as you perceive it, because it is all coming from in you anyway. From any individuals point of view they are the center of everything. If you believe in some deity then you will go about your business seeing his (or her) hand in all things, if you don't then you wont.

Applies for all things, ghosts, gods, pixies, alien abduction. just because you don't believe in any gods does not mean they are not real to me.

Now you got me wanting to read up on pagan gods.

[milnie]

I find the term heretic a bit un-PC. Can we call it religiously challenged? ;)