Zimmerman found innocent despite media/govt bias! :)

[Rev. Jell E. Rawlins]

I shall 4-color brief you! I shall Shepardize you! When you're down, I shall toss confusing Latin terms at you!

Haha! In media res! Habeas my corpus, will ya?!

Not without corpus delicti you ain't, biotch! I'll see your habeas corpus and raise you a corpus collosum. POW . . . didn't see that coming did you? That wasn't in your little law books was it? You don't know me without an MRI, son! 

[Masked Dude]

I have been bested!

Stercus fit, my friend.

[Rev. Jell E. Rawlins]

I have been bested!

Stercus fit, my friend.

Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like . . . uh . . . your opinion man.

Spartacus' Foot to you as well, my friend. 

[purple_drank]

Karma dude, no need to apologize, everybody has the right to have and express their opinions man

He wasn't even doing his neighborhood watch patrol or whatever and he had his ccw so why shouldn't he be able to carry his legally owned weapon for his own protection?

He was just out going to the grocery store when he noticed a suspicious looking person walking around checking out the houses. Seeing as there had recently been a string of break-ins in his neighborhood he wanted to make sure the person wasn't there to rob other homes so he called the cops.

Trayvon then got closer to him and starred him down with "his hand in his waistband" and then took off running so Zimmerman got out of his truck to see where the person ran off to and get a more exact address for his current location to give to the police.

Like you said the cops told him "ok, we don't need you to do that" so he said "ok" and was heading back to his truck to wait for the police when Trayvon came out of nowhere popped him in the face and started beating his ass. He can be heard screaming for help in the 911 calls and even Trayvon's father said that it was not Trayvon screaming for help in the calls.

Trayvon didn't even know Zimmerman had a gun on him until he was on top beating him up and saw it, when he saw it he told Zimmerman that he was going to kill him then went for the gun. Had Zimmerman not been able to reach his weapon faster than Trayvon, he would have been the one shot dead that
night and nobody outside the local area would have ever heard about it.

Perhaps you're right about what was going through Trayvon's mind, but if he was thinking of "evading" then he should have easily made it home safely. Zimmerman lost him and was walking back to his vehicle to wait for the police when Trayvon chose to go back and assault him rather than returning to the safety of his home.

I truly hope your family is ok and doesn't get affected by the aftermath, especially being that close to it and all. From what I've read some minor things are already going on but I'm afraid it's only going to get much worse from here on out



Masked Dude, that bothered me too man. The only reason they suppressed that evidence was to make Trayvon look like an innocent little angel boy when he was really just another little wannabe gangster kid trying to play like he was a badass. Not that being a wannabe gangster means he deserves to die because it doesn't but it certainly shows that he was of a mentality that is accustomed to initiating violent confrontations. Unfortunately this one ended with tragic results



Roystone, I dont see how you think everything he did was wrong? He called the cops, he was trying to protect his neighborhood from burglars and was walking back to his truck when he was attacked by the Trayvon, and Zimmerman being a little weakling was getting his ass handed to him; he would have been shot had he not been able to get his gun himself first and shoot Trayvon; because Trayvon saw it while beating him and told him he was going to kill him then went for the gun, Zimmerman was just the one who got it first.

I did love the Walter Mitty reference & literally lol'ed at the 'Dubya' line, hahahaaha good ones



Wuliheron, idk about all of that man.
First off Zimmerman was Latino not "lilly white" and he's a Democrat not a Republican (although there have been a lot of jokes lately about him switching to the Republican party after all of this lol)

Secondly he wasn't just "running around with a gun accosting anyone he didn't like", he reported a suspicious person to the police and asked them to send officers to his location.

Yes, it was very stupid of him to get out of his truck and chase after Trayvon but he never caught up with him and was returning to his truck when Trayvon jumped out and attacked him instead of just going home.

Thirdly, as far as the "turn their backs on the majority" thing, statistically most black people are killed by other black people not white people so if anything, they should be afraid to turn their backs on other black folks.

But you are certainly entitled to your own opinion man



Rev Jell E, I read something about they've already sued the HOA for like a million bucks; but I'm sure that just like in the OJ case that they'll sue Zimmerman in a civil suit and win more money that way. Unfortunately money will never replace their son



Should the Trayvon have died, NO, but Zimmerman should not spend time in prison or be killed himself for defending his own life against somebody who was trying to kill him!

Do I know exactly what actually happened, nope, like everybody else I only know the testimony and evidence that was presented to the courts and from that evidence he's clearly not guilty of what he was being charged with.

I kinda think that despite Zimmerman believing that Trayvon could have been there to case some houses or something, that it was a case of some stupidity and machismo on both of their parts mixed with a wrong place/wrong time situation. But I do believe that justice was served in finding him not guilty, seeing as he didn't commit the  crime he was being tried for, even though the government and mass media were trying to railroad him.

And the government had absolutely NO business funding protesters on EITHER side of this.

[wuliheron]

Wuliheron, idk about all of that man.
First off Zimmerman was Latino not "lilly white" and he's a Democrat not a Republican (although there have been a lot of jokes lately about him switching to the Republican party after all of this lol)

Secondly he wasn't just "running around with a gun accosting anyone he didn't like", he reported a suspicious person to the police and asked them to send officers to his location.

Yes, it was very stupid of him to get out of his truck and chase after Trayvon but he never caught up with him and was returning to his truck when Trayvon jumped out and attacked him instead of just going home.

Thirdly, as far as the "turn their backs on the majority" thing, statistically most black people are killed by other black people not white people so if anything, they should be afraid to turn their backs on other black folks.

But you are certainly entitled to your own opinion man

Ignorance is the foundation of knowledge as far as I am concerned and unless we are willing to laugh at ourselves with the innocence of a child our judgment is suspect. I wasn't in the court room and can't say a damned thing about what went on there or exactly what happened between the two. What I can say is Florida has now opened the doors for every person of color in the state to start walking around their own gated communities with an AK47 to prevent stupid idiots from killing them. If that is the America you want then places like Florida and Texas are working on creating it. Already black males in the US are targets of blatant and obvious discrimination in the judicial system and when you reduce justice to "I felt threatened" in court it is a travesty. In Texas a man was recently acquitted of shooting and killing a hooker who attempted to walk away with $150.oo because the law said he innocent by the letter of the law. In Florida a woman was just given 20 years for firing a warning shot in self-defense that hurt nobody. These rednecks need to join the 21st century and there is nothing whatsoever "dudely" about this kind of redneck crap.

[Rev. Jell E. Rawlins]

Do I know exactly what actually happened, nope, like everybody else I only know the testimony and evidence that was presented to the courts and from that evidence he's clearly not guilty of what he was being charged with.

But I do believe that justice was served in finding him not guilty, seeing as he didn't commit the  crime he was being tried for, even though the government and mass media were trying to railroad him.

And the government had absolutely NO business funding protesters on EITHER side of this.

You are right about everyone having a right to their opinion but it's a little disingenuous to rail about bias and not acknowledge your own. Though you make it sound like all of your information is coming from testimony and the evidence presented in court, it is clear that much of your information has come through the media as well. I'll just focus on one example.

I followed the links from your original post and guess what? I found media when I clicked on them. Are we really pretending that Judicial Watch is non-biased and PJ Media is not media? All right, fine, let's pretend. I'll focus only on the primary source documents. There is not one shred of evidence contained in the primary source documents requested by JW that supports the contention that The Community Relations Service did anything inconsistent with their 49-year-old stated mission.

There also is not one iota of evidence in the documents that says anything about "organizing" protesters nor are there budgetary numbers to support undertaking such an endeavor. Not a penny in the documents was spent to fund protesters as all the documents are reimbursements for transportation & lodging expenses for CRS employees. Nor is there any context showing these expenses differed from other potentially racially inflammatory situations CRS employees have worked in the past.

I've owned my bias in this thread and I'll do it again for this post . . . yes, I believe Judicial Watch is far from non-partisan. However, I set that aside and have tried to stick to the facts rather than rely on rebuttals against JW by other biased organizations.

I support and, in many ways, share your opinion but I have to call B.S. on the protestations of bias. If you want credibility as being non-biased, you need to own your bias and present balanced rather than one-sided evidence. Just calling the other side biased is not enough.

[purple_drank]

Wuliheron
I wasn't aware that Florida or Texas had passed any laws allowing, as you so delicately put it, "every person of color" to openly carry around ak47's lol.

Stop committing crimes and they won't be put in front of the judicial system, when I wanted to quit getting sent to court... I quit breaking the law!
I'm not trying to be an ass but a spade is a spade even if you call it by another name. So is it really discrimination or are they just the ones getting caught committing crimes most of the time. Though I'm not going to say that it doesn't exist, because we all know it still does, but it's not as widespread as they would like you to believe, most of this 'LEO's targeting blacks due to racism' is just crap made up and/or exaggerated to fuel the fires by people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. And it's completely disgraceful the way these kind of people promote the continuation of the ideology of racism instead of trying to put an end to it, especially seeing the huge influence they have over so many people. Imagine the good they could do if they really tried actually fix things instead of trying to divide people.

I would have to say that getting your ass kicked and having your head repeatedly bashed against the concrete, then being told he was going to be killed would constitute a credible feeling of his life being in immediate danger, but hey, maybe that's just me, guess I'm just crazy like that lol.

I haven't heard about the hooker one but I did hear about the warning shot and that's completely fucked up dude, about as ridiculous as that person who got sued by the robber who cut his leg on a knife while breaking in or whatever, or the lady who got fired because she was "too attractive". It's beyond mind bogglingly sad, the state that our country is in these days

Not quite sure how the redneck stuff has anything to do with any of this though, or where it even came from lol.


Rev Jell E
Of course my information came from the media, I can't just up and leave the state to go to somebody elses court case, hell I've had enough of court myself to never even want to step foot in another courtroom in my life So I just have to dig a little deeper to get through the mass medias bs lol.

But I based my opinion about whether or not he was guilty on the evidence that was placed before the court, even if my only access to be able to read it, listen to it, or watch some of it was on the website of some mass media giant.

That doesn't mean that I'm just jumping on some bandwagon based on whatever the news anchors are spewing out one way or the other. I actually listened to the audio/watched the video of the phone calls, interviews, and witness testimonies to come to my conclusion, which is the same conclusion a jury of his peers came to when they found him not guilty.

I guess I could have worded it better when I said "financially supporting", I'm not trying to say or did I see anything saying, that they directly 'gave them money', but they did spend money sending people down there to 'work with the community' and they seem, from what I have ascertained to have primarily been working with/for the anti-Zimmerman crowd. Had they equally worked with both sides or neither side at all it would have never been an issue but they seem to have chosen a side, which is wrong of our government to do no matter which side they choose to take up.

I didn't say regular people couldn't be biased, but the media and government should definitely not be biased in a situation like this. People are going to be biased, it's natural, but it's the job of the media and the government to remain unbiased (however because of this and many, many other incidents we know this to, unfortunately, not be true at all).



I know that it's all just Zimmerman's side but unfortunately we can't get Trayvon's side of the story and the evidence/witnesses seems to back up what he said took place that night.

It's certainly not everything but here's two of the calls used in the case, a copy of Zimmerman's written statement and an article from a more local news source in Orlando about the events and such of that night.

Zimmerman's initial call to the police:
http://webcitation.org/66Q4LC8gQ

911 call where you can hear Zimmerman screaming for help then fire 1 round:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call3.ogg

Written statement from Zimmerman:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/21/written_statement_0226.pdf

Orlando Sentinel news report:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager


And here's the Fox news and Orlando Sentinel articles about the DOJ's support for anti-zimmerman protestors, so it's not coming from a source with no credibility or some other partisan or biased organization lol.

Fox news:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/10/did-justice-department-support-anti-zimmerman-protests-after-trayvon-shooting/

Orlando Sentinel:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-15/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-justice-departm-20120415_1_federal-workers-racial-tensions-peacekeepers

[wuliheron]

Believe it or not, one of my best friends was born in a barn, moved to another one, and lived in a tree house for years. Grandma was from the black foothills and thumped her Bible so hard it hurt your ears. My uncles would sit under the hundred year oak tree and drink beer talking smack about lynching niggas and setting dog's tails on fire. The simple fact any fool knows when confronted with it is that democracy depends on the rights of the minorities. The minute they lose rights and cultural taboos it is the white man and his little pieces of paper promising the moon again.

[Masked Dude]

The case of Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville, Florida, is the one in which she received 20 years for the warning shots. That was last year, not recently as social media claims. Also, from what I read, she left, returned, and then fired shots. (Not sure about that, though. Just going on memory.) I agree 20 years was too harsh.

Not the same facts as this case.

[DigitalBuddha]

One thing to remember; none of us were in the court during the trial and heard or saw the important details of the case as presented by both the prosecution and the defense, so any argument either way is at best in the dark. Very fine details of any case can prove a person innocent or guilty. The jury, on the other hand, was there and heard all of the points made by both sides. They found him innocent of the charges, and that should be respected.

The protesters seen in the news are at best expressing opinions in ignorance, and I don't personally take them seriously. The prosecution was a group of professionals who knew what they were doing, and the defense was also just as professional. The judge presiding over the case acted in a competent manner and I believe that the jury was not a group of idiots. They handed down a verdict they believed was correct. To second guess them without all of the facts before us would be folly and typical of Monday morning protesters who usually are operating in emotion, lack of facts and half truths, and little by way of proven facts.

That's just like my opinion, man.

[roystonoboogie]

Roystone, I dont see how you think everything he did was wrong? He called the cops, he was trying to protect his neighborhood from burglars and was walking back to his truck when he was attacked by the Trayvon, and Zimmerman being a little weakling was getting his ass handed to him; he would have been shot had he not been able to get his gun himself first and shoot Trayvon; because Trayvon saw it while beating him and told him he was going to kill him then went for the gun, Zimmerman was just the one who got it first.

I did love the Walter Mitty reference & literally lol'ed at the 'Dubya' line, hahahaaha good ones

Okay yes, Zimmerman called the cops. He did that right, I'll grant you. But the cops told him to back off and not follow Martin. Martin would still be alive if he had. Maybe a house would have been broken into, probably not. But in my book a human life is worth more than someone stealing your rug.


Martin attacked Zimmerman with his fists. Zimmerman pulled a gun on him. Now as you are probably aware, handguns are illegal in the UK, so we don't often have situations like this. But pulling a gun on an unarmed man, albeit one who is punching you, strikes me as a disproportionate response. If Martin was armed, he could have dropped Zimmerman and said quite legitimately "Hey! He pulled a gun on me, I stood my ground, defended myself..." My inclination under those circumstances is to run. Not heroic, but possibly life-preserving.


Now maybe this is a US gun culture thing, but most ordinary civilians in the country even in the neighbourhood watch are not armed and don't confront potential bad guys. They call the cops and let them take care of it, and if they are confronted they run or lock themselves in the house. Our government occasionally encourages "Have-a-go-heroes", but the message from the cops is "Don't bother. Phone us. If you have-a-go, we'll probably end up arresting you too".


That's why I think that Zimmerman (apart from phoning the cops, I will admit) did almost everything wrong that night. And Treyvon Martin is still dead. And no-one is being held responsible for it..

[purple_drank]

Wuliheron
I've got no reason to disbelieve you dude


Masked Dude
I haven't had to opportunity to look into that yet, I just heard about it from a friend so I don't know the details to that at all but yeah, that does sound like way to long to me

Have you heard about this one? This lady was fired for being 'too attractive' and the Iowa supreme court actually upheld it. No death here thank God but still a sad situation
http://ktla.com/2013/07/12/firing-of-irresistable-dental-assistant-upheld-by-court/#HSutdxrKX4uvHw3f.01


DB
I completely agree with the decision the jury made and I hope that the members of the jury will be safe from any of the threats and crap being made against them.


Roystone
Granted, like the rest of us, I don't know anthing more than the evidence presented; but from the evidence, Zimmerman, did chase him for a moment which was stupid, but he didn't catch him and was returning to his vehicle like the police wanted when he was attacked by Trayvon.

While beating him up Trayvon saw the gun (which was holstered, not drawn), told Zimmerman he was going to kill him and then reached for the gun but Zimmerman got it first. He shot him because he was going to be shot himself if he didn't react first, not because he was getting beat up; he just screamed like a little girl for help during that part lol.

I don't know anything about the laws there but the "have-a-go-heroes" and "don't bother" thing sounds about the same as around here. We're encouraged by the government to report criminal activity if we see/know about it, and in some places and cases even have the right to restrain them while waiting for the police to arrive, but our cops are also pretty much on the "just call us and let us handle it" thing.


Should this have happened at all, NO, but it did happen and the evidence has shown/proved to support Zimmerman's side of the story.  None of us know if that story is really the full truth but that's all we'll ever know about it and the jury found him not guilty based upon the evidence, which I agree with. If you don't agree, that's your right man, I'm just expressing my opinion and the evidence which led me to that conclusion

After having houses around my street (my next door neighbor was one of them) recently burglarized, I know that if I see a suspicious looking person in my neighborhood I'm going to want to see what they're doing. I don't own a gun, the only time I myself will ever have a gun is if the govt places one in my hand and tells me to protect my country, so I would be unarmed but I have faith that with my training I'll be perfectly safe. Unless they have a gun, the first thing I was taught was that nothing I have is worth my life so give the guy with the gun whatever they want lol

[DigitalBuddha]

Here is like one dude's opinion about it...



Look at the crowd, and ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS THE FOCUS ON THIS ONE BLACK LADY?

They want riots and white liberals are happy to help us get started. They do this all the time. Just like Occupy Wall Street, for example. This is well documented.

First, these liberals feed us lies to get us emotionally charged up! They have done that for the past year and 1/2 in this case. They told us lie, after lie, after lie.

Then master manipulating race baiting DEMOCRATS, like Sharpton, Jackson, unite with NAACP (The National Association for the Advancement of Liberal* Colored People) give their gullible BLACK followers the ok by pouring fuel on the emotional fire.

I watched in total disgust as WHITE LIBERALS in the media took to the sky and put their helicopter spotlight on BLACK folks Saturday night like we are a bunch of circus animals and expected us to act up.

We did not take the cue. THANK GOD!

So these WHITE GODLESS LIBERALS are here to embolden , inspire, and incite BLACK FOLK to take to the street in protest! All this to promote their agenda. I , for one am sick of it.

They do this, with the help of certian BLACK liberals that call themselves "reverends". These so called Black leaders know full well that angry BLACK FOLK, a segment of whom are common street thugs who are eager to commit violent acts, and will not behave peacefully...ESPECIALLY when they are totally pissed off.

If another life is destroyed because of this low life thug wannabe, Trayvon Martin, and his lying parents, (who won't come clean and tell us the truth about their sons drug use, burglary, and violent disposition) it will be because self hating WHITE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS in the media and in the streets inflamed the emotions of already angry, misinformed, and dare I say RACIST... BLACK FOLKS!!

At that point, they become more guilty. So I have one word for you White liberals who think you are doing us a favor. STOP!

IF this photo is not enough, watch CNN's Candy Crowley do her thang' on national TV! They NEED YOU PISSED OFF!

Michael Harris

Here is the link.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/14/CNN-Fans-the-Flames-on-Zimmerman-Verdict

[Masked Dude]

Good call, Digital Buddha.

As for the last post, not too fond of the his addition of "godless," but hey. Can't be arsed to care that much.

[DigitalBuddha]

Funny, I didn't see any Black dudes staging riots in England OR America when Drummer Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers was hacked to death while walking down the street by a black un-dude. It amazes me that black people are not, generally speaking, aware of the fact they are little more than pawns for a white run Democratic party who is manipulating them.

Come on, Black dudes, be bigger than this! Get in touch with your inner dude! Going Walter on society is not the answer. Violence is not the answer for any so-called "race," we are all one dudemanity!  IMHDO.

See - http://www.infowars.com/trayvon-martin-supporters-stage-second-night-of-fury/