Buddist monks kill muslims!!!!

[DigitalBuddha]

Again, it's people USING it to be angry, hateful, self-righteous, etc. that is at issue here. I'm not saying Islam should be excused; the opposite. But a religion no followed is an ineffectual one, so it's not the writings per se.  Are we splitting hairs here? Or are you saying that if we eradicate Islam, then problem solved?

No, you make a good point.

[DigitalBuddha]

That's not helping DB!

http://thebrightestman.wikispaces.com/file/view/plo.ira.jpg/75388019/plo.ira.jpg

PIRA and the PLO (Muslim extremists!) and Noraid.

Sympathy for Boston was a wee bit lacking here in UK for sure!

I'm not trying to help, I'm trying to be honest and accurate. What would be "helpful," deny the facts and keep it quiet?

[Hominid]

North America didn't take Hitler seriously till actual photographic images of the death camps started showing up.  I say tell it like it is, and fuck PC. Evil is evil. But that's - like, my opinion.

[DigitalBuddha]

North America didn't take Hitler seriously till actual photographic images of the death camps started showing up.  I say tell it like it is, and fuck PC. Evil is evil. But that's - like, my opinion.

Not taking hitler seriously was a BIG mistake. We all know where that lead to.

[DigitalBuddha]

That's not helping DB!

http://thebrightestman.wikispaces.com/file/view/plo.ira.jpg/75388019/plo.ira.jpg

PIRA and the PLO (Muslim extremists!) and Noraid.

Sympathy for Boston was a wee bit lacking here in UK for sure!

I could have added a whole host of American atrocities here: From Vietnam to Afghan to Abu Graib. In glorious technicolour: What is your point?

I could mention your heritage of annihilation to the indigenous people of what is now the United States (all done in the name of Christ the redeemer!)

I'm seeing the same lack of tolerance that Abideist dude was showing. but this time pictorially.

I think you have the same issues.

Actually: having seen your file photos' let's!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5NC6B5utE3s/T8fosHm-T3I/AAAAAAAADZA/eh7akEY0x4I/s1600/image103.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-63y5XgYXsOw/TwH_4bHIa1I/AAAAAAAAAXw/163KBPnbGyw/s1600/Leo+Frank-1915.jpg

http://westorlandonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pissing_on_afghanistan.jpg

http://americaworshiper.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1m2r3c1nw4rsh3p2r-wh3t2_1m2r3c1.jpg

I don't think you have a leg to stand on!

These last three were all as the result of Good old USA CHRISTIAN Fundamentalists.

http://yeyeolade.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/white-lynching-party.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/JohnHeith.jpg/250px-JohnHeith.jpg

http://www.nathanielturner.com/images/New_Folder/citadelyearbook.jpg


What a short memory you have.

Oh course, there are more reason people use to be violent than islam, no doubt. But your comment that islam was a peaceful religion is simply not true.

[Caesar dude]

I do believe the UK and the rest of Europe were taking Hitler seriously long before pictures of the death camps showed up!

[Hominid]

My only point was that while the truth is hidden, evil can keep growing. Both DB's pics AND yours show the atrocities mankind is capable of, no matter the belief system. I think we can all agree on that point...

[Caesar dude]

I stand by my statement. Islam is a religion of peace. It's just been corrupted and the quran like the bible is very open to interpretation.

In actual fact I don't know of any religion that is based on hate, do you?

I'm pretty sure that a whole nation of Aztecs and Mayans would have said the same thing about Christianity when they arrived. "peacefull my arse!"

Just because you can't see it doesn't make it any less of a fact.

Muslims even greet each other with the phrase "peace be upon you"

[Hominid]

Muslims even greet each other with the phrase "peace be upon you"

That doesn't mean they really understand their own religious writings. If it's anything like christianity at all, they're led around by the nose by "teachers" who interpret for them, instead of deriving or forming their own opinion. So, did you read this link? There's no "interpretation" that can water that down unless you're on acid.  Slaughter of non-believers, etc..   That's not peaceful dude...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

I'm not being antagonistic; just exposing the Koran for what it is. A messy contradictory compilation just like the bible.

[DigitalBuddha]

My only point was that while the truth is hidden, evil can keep growing. Both DB's pics AND yours show the atrocities mankind is capable of, no matter the belief system. I think we can all agree on that point...

Fuckin' eh!

[DigitalBuddha]

I stand by my statement. Islam is a religion of peace. It's just been corrupted and the quran like the bible is very open to interpretation.

You could say that about any religion or other belief system. I don't care what they say or what they write, I care what they in fact do. And they DO a lot violence. And yes, any script is up for interpretation, true.

[DigitalBuddha]

Check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

[Hominid]

Check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

Fuck dude, that's some scary shit. I think there are Muslims who are not fully informed, and don't hold to the hard core message of Islam, but the ones that do certainly pose a major threat. No wonder Sam Harris said that it should be eradicated...

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

The problem is Islam is populated by humans, and humans are notorious for twisting what ever they can into what they want. Islam does give more permission for violence, but the observers still have to choose that. Islam does have quite a bit of peaceful and compassionate elements, but again the people have to choose to observe them.

The bigger problem is that Islam is a revelation religion, so we have to wait for a meta-physical being to come along to fix it. So settle in for the long wait. Is better to just slowly siphon off its adherents into our fold.

[meekon5]

One of these was the book of Hadith which I idly read! Hadith 42 states:

"Allah the Almighty has said: 'O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and hope in Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds in the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I shall forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with an earthful of sins and were you then to face Me, without having associated anything with Me, I shall grant you an earthfull of pardon.'??

Okay so I'm turning into a Dudeist weekender (see the brilliant "Goths") by only commenting now and then (be assured I am watching and lurking).

This is identical to christianity (catholosism) as long as you repent bfore you die you can do whatever you want and still go to heaven.

Also, as usual, the focus here is not on Islam as a whole just the Arabic version which is a product of Arabic society, not fully representative of Islam as a whole.

If you want to see a modern representation of Islamic society look at Malaysia, a muslim state that surpasses many "Western" states with it's acceptance of technology and society attitudes.

The reason our TV's are full of "Hatefull" images of "Muslims" screaming hate is because that's exactly what the man wants. How else do you justify a war against "savages".