Buddist monks kill muslims!!!!

[DigitalBuddha]

I actually didn't think he meant BR's comment. I get what he's saying since I've read & heard some stupid one-liners, such as Ramtha bullshit, Abraham generalities, and so on.

I have a "friend" who does that. He'll quote something or reword something. When you ask what he means, you get "Oh, it's too hard to explain. You won't understand."

[Caesar dude]

I must admit I sometimes it find it hard to understand you DB. Sometimes you you write some pretty misleading stuff!

But we're still friends for sure.

I'd like to draw a line underneath this whole thing but would hope that Abeidist dude has maybe thought a little more about what he has written and what he will write in the future.

As I said a while back. Let's give peace a chance.

Peace dudes.

[DigitalBuddha]

I must admit I sometimes it find it hard to understand you DB. Sometimes you you write some pretty misleading stuff!

But we're still friends for sure.

I'd like to draw a line underneath this whole thing but would hope that Abeidist dude has maybe thought a little more about what he has written and what he will write in the future.

As I said a while back. Let's give peace a chance.

Peace dudes.

Misleading? Details please.

[Caesar dude]

Misleading may have been the wrong word: Shall we say confusing then?

Like when you said to Abeidist "Nothing is fucked here" when it clearly was.

Like when you quote things like this "As for England and the growth of islam in Britain, I was referring to this kind of thing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5xRmKTD96po"

When it is outdated and not representative and in fact the lead player has already been deported.

Like when you state "Islam is NOT a religion of peace, that claim is absolute bullshit," and "At it's core, islam is in fact a religion of hate and intolerance." When in fact Islam (literal meaning is peace!)

And "As an example, witness how the muslims flooded out into the streets in Afghanistan when the morons, the Taliban, were run out of their country and deposed. It was sheer celebration that a worthless insane hardline group of muslims had been vanquished. The press has built them, islam worldwide, up into a gigantic unstoppable united religion, they are anything but that. In fact, sunni muslims are strongly (and at times, violently) opposed to shiite muslims, and often are at war between themselves."

(I'm still working that one out!)

Don't you think that the Taliban are Muslims or do you not realise that the people running onto the streets are Muslims too!?

" Islam, the radicals, need to be put into submission to international law, and each nation with muslims must keep their religion under control with good laws and a democratic infrastructure."

Most of them do in fact do this! Except for the radicals who won't be held to any law. This is why we have terrorists!

I can't quote your friends FB post but please re-read it and try and see it from another point of view. America is not exactly a champion of human rights! Probably the biggest police state in the world. Then there's Guantanamo, and torture and Rendition and government approved corruption and the highest rate of imprisonment in the world and the largest ethnic (black) prisoner population etc. etc etc.

You asked.

[DigitalBuddha]

Misleading may have been the wrong word: Shall we say confusing then?

Like when you said to Abeidist "Nothing is fucked here" when it clearly was.

I was referring to the debate, the thread or conversation, not the subject.

Like when you quote things like this "As for England and the growth of islam in Britain, I was referring to this kind of thing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5xRmKTD96po"

When it is outdated and not representative and in fact the lead player has already been deported.

From what I have read, radical islam is still a problem in Britain. I have a cousin born and living in England who has told me you are still dealing the problem. Brits are very concerned about the growth of Muslim influence in London (which now permits Sharia law), as an example. Pat Condell expresses it this way...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA


See also - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXEuOzSnQ8s

Like when you state "Islam is NOT a religion of peace, that claim is absolute bullshit," and "At it's core, islam is in fact a religion of hate and intolerance." When in fact Islam (literal meaning is peace!)

"Islam" is a word meaning "submission" or "submission to allah" and has nothing to do with the concept of "peace." Islam is in no way, at it's core, a religion of peaceful means. It's very scriptures, the Quran, command that Muslims are to "convert by the sword and to kill the infidel." These are not words of peace. And, as we have been seeing, almost all terrorist activity globally has been islamic based by those who are doing so based on their religion. And I quote... "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  - Quran 48:29

Does that sound peaceful to you, dude? Yes, most Muslims live in peace, but we are not referring to them.

Islamic scholars teach "the proper way to beat your wife." THIS is a "religion of peace?" ??!! I don't think so, C dude!

For more on that; see - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm    or    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Also.......

Is?lam [is-lahm, iz-, is-luhm, iz-] Show IPA
noun
1. the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.
2. the whole body of Muslim believers, their civilization, and the countries in which theirs is the dominant religion.

And "As an example, witness how the muslims flooded out into the streets in Afghanistan when the morons, the Taliban, were run out of their country and deposed. It was sheer celebration that a worthless insane hardline group of muslims had been vanquished. The press has built them, islam worldwide, up into a gigantic unstoppable united religion, they are anything but that. In fact, sunni muslims are strongly (and at times, violently) opposed to shiite muslims, and often are at war between themselves."

(I'm still working that one out!)

OK, cool.

Don't you think that the Taliban are Muslims or do you not realise that the people running onto the streets are Muslims too!?

Not sure where you are going on that one. Of course, they were glad to see assholes and morons like the taliban gone, but they need to look at WHY the taliban exist in the first place and why they act as they do...the Quran. The taliban, as far as they were concerned, were operating in the "will of allah" and in obedience to the Quran.

" Islam, the radicals, need to be put into submission to international law, and each nation with muslims must keep their religion under control with good laws and a democratic infrastructure."

Most of them do in fact do this! Except for the radicals who won't be held to any law. This is why we have terrorists!

Internationally, radical islam is a problem, and too many nations are kissing islam's ass. We are too afraid to "offend" islam, they might get violent. That shit needs to stop, and where needed, islam needs to be told "across this line YOU DO NOT" and then enforce it. 

I can't quote your friends FB post but please re-read it and try and see it from another point of view. America is not exactly a champion of human rights! Probably the biggest police state in the world. Then there's Guantanamo, and torture and Rendition and government approved corruption and the highest rate of imprisonment in the world and the largest ethnic (black) prisoner population etc. etc etc.

You asked.

OK, I will read it.

Lastly, let me say this; if islam were in power here, as they are in Iran, Dudeism would be outlawed and persecuted as a religion of infidels deserving death. Something to think about.

[Caesar dude]

I can see we are going to have to agree to disagree on some of your points here.

But this statement of yours is absolutely unfounded and not in the slightest bit true!

Brits are very concerned about the growth of Muslim influence in London (which now permits Sharia law), as an example.

Britain only "permits" Sharia law in as much that it allows Muslims to practice their faith. It has no basis in British legal process.

There are Sharia courts for Muslims, granted, but they are purely religious courts for Muslims and if a judge was to rule eg. "stone her for adultery" that would not be permitted under our laws!! and the perpetrators would be subjected to British law!

I don't want to muddy the waters any further on this thread so I wish to leave the discussion here. Go and grab a lane, get a fucking BK burger as it's better than Mc'ds (and we have nothing better!) a few beers then our troubles will be over!

Peace DB

[Hominid]

It's not the religious system itself that radicalizes people and turns them to be so hateful and violent; I've said this before: it's what's in man's heart. ANY religion can be used (and is used) to justify evil. And religion isn't going anywhere soon. People need it for the perceived sense of purpose and comfort it gives, not just justification for evil. Biker Dude once called it adult thumb-sucking, which is a perfect description.

Philosophically, I'm kinda with Sam Harris who says that Islam is a world threat. I'll modify that by saying it's what people DO with Islam that's the problem. Further, Muslims who are peaceful actually do NOT understand their own religion; DB is dead on with that point. Read this: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

[Caesar dude]

Ok then one more!

When I worked in the Middle East we had a little bearded mullah who was always leaving scripture laying around!

One of these was the book of Hadith which I idly read! Hadith 42 states:

"Allah the Almighty has said: 'O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and hope in Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds in the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I shall forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with an earthful of sins and were you then to face Me, without having associated anything with Me, I shall grant you an earthfull of pardon.'"

Which is basically a get out of jail free card for any sin!

It is a book of contradictions, so much so that I coined the phrase "for each Hadith there is an equal and opposite Hadith!

It's no wonder they are confused!

[Hominid]

Yep, that's why all these religious people have to cherry pick what supports their agenda.

[Caesar dude]

Indeed they do. ALL religions do the same. Which is what I was pointing out in the first place.

[Hominid]

Indeed they do. ALL religions do the same. Which is what I was pointing out in the first place.

Actually, that's exact same for christianity. A murderous pederast Hitler-type can have a deathbed conversion and end up in heaven. But the Dali Lama goes to hell for bating for the wrong team.  Pfffffff

Time for another beer and a burger...

[DigitalBuddha]

It's not the religious system itself that radicalizes people and turns them to be so hateful and violent; I've said this before: it's what's in man's heart. ANY religion can be used (and is used) to justify evil. And religion isn't going anywhere soon. People need it for the perceived sense of purpose and comfort it gives, not just justification for evil. Biker Dude once called it adult thumb-sucking, which is a perfect description.

Philosophically, I'm kinda with Sam Harris who says that Islam is a world threat. I'll modify that by saying it's what people DO with Islam that's the problem. Further, Muslims who are peaceful actually do NOT understand their own religion; DB is dead on with that point. Read this: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

But doesn't permit still mean people are judged and punished under it?

The religion of peace?.....





A women being stoned to death; her crime...seen in public with a man not her husband.



Executed in public by the taliban, her crime; at the most, adultery.





Peace?

[DigitalBuddha]

Indeed they do. ALL religions do the same. Which is what I was pointing out in the first place.

Actually, that's exact same for christianity. A murderous pederast Hitler-type can have a deathbed conversion and end up in heaven. But the Dali Lama goes to hell for bating for the wrong team.  Pfffffff

Time for another beer and a burger...

Yup, very true!

[Hominid]

Again, it's people USING it to be angry, hateful, self-righteous, etc. that is at issue here. I'm not saying Islam should be excused; the opposite. But a religion no followed is an ineffectual one, so it's not the writings per se.  Are we splitting hairs here? Or are you saying that if we eradicate Islam, then problem solved?

[Caesar dude]

That's not helping DB!

http://thebrightestman.wikispaces.com/file/view/plo.ira.jpg/75388019/plo.ira.jpg

PIRA and the PLO (Muslim extremists!) and Noraid.

Sympathy for Boston was a wee bit lacking here in UK for sure!

I could have added a whole host of American atrocities here: From Vietnam to Afghan to Abu Graib. In glorious technicolour: What is your point?

I could mention your heritage of annihilation to the indigenous people of what is now the United States (all done in the name of Christ the redeemer!)

I'm seeing the same lack of tolerance that Abideist dude was showing. but this time pictorially.

I think you have the same issues.

Actually: having seen your file photos' let's!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5NC6B5utE3s/T8fosHm-T3I/AAAAAAAADZA/eh7akEY0x4I/s1600/image103.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-63y5XgYXsOw/TwH_4bHIa1I/AAAAAAAAAXw/163KBPnbGyw/s1600/Leo+Frank-1915.jpg

http://westorlandonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pissing_on_afghanistan.jpg

http://americaworshiper.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1m2r3c1nw4rsh3p2r-wh3t2_1m2r3c1.jpg

I don't think you have a leg to stand on!

These last three were all as the result of Good old USA CHRISTIAN Fundamentalists.

http://yeyeolade.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/white-lynching-party.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/JohnHeith.jpg/250px-JohnHeith.jpg

http://www.nathanielturner.com/images/New_Folder/citadelyearbook.jpg


What a short memory you have.