Buddist monks kill muslims!!!!

[Caesar dude]

I see where you're coming from DB but this seems to be a long term commitment from the above poster and something he may have been thinking about for a while.

Lets see what he says in his defense.

Give peace a chance for sure.

[DigitalBuddha]

I see where you're coming from DB but this seems to be a long term commitment from the above poster and something he may have been thinking about for a while.

Lets see what he says in his defense.

Give peace a chance for sure.

Yep, I agree. Always better to listen than talk. Something we all need to practice I guess. Definitely me!

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Damnit, I go away on one mission and the thread I was watching explodes, an I miss it.

'kay picking up from page two, somewhere, all this same shit happened to me when I was a militant atheist, an it gets real tricky if you do not pay attention to nuance. Always avoiding absolute statements, is useful too.

Here's the deal, Islam is a threat, the same as every ideology is a threat, These threats to human flourishing manifest in different ways at different times. Muslims are not a threat, they are people who are as fallible as any other people, people who react to their time and place, based on the ideas they chose to use to deal with their issues.

The thing is, next to nobody follows their faith/ideology to the letter, they are all false observants, that's not the problem, it is a good thing, generally. That is why even though the Bible gives the green light to slavery, Christians are appalled by it, in this time and place. Same goes for Islam, yes the Quaran (sp?, tired and lazy), advocates total domination (they all do, in their own way, looking at you Dudeists too, plus a mirror, go ahead call me on this, I have a lengthy argument I just aint got energy right now to explain), but seeing how there is, for all intents and purposes NO TRUE SCOTTSMEN, Muslims who want to kill and dominate are the same true/non Muslims as those that focus on peace and charity.

If I say "Islam is a wonderful kind faith that wants peace and prosperity for all, that is charitable and wants to dominate the globe and destroy all heathens", I have told no lie. Only when I say all of it can I simply say Islam, but it is totally unskillful to do so. Now, If I say "the Muslim community in Canada is hell bent on world domination and terror", that is a lie, or if I say "Al Quiada is a wonderful group of peaceful charitable people who want love and prosperity for all", that is also a lie.

And yes you can take any general label and do this with it too, change a few words here or there and you're all set.

The problem comes when you go east, and not recognize you have also gone west, or up with out realizing you have gone down as well. Remember your Tao dudes, it is never pure, it is never separate, it is the whole, understanding the whole is how we solve our problems. Avoid talking only of the Yin and not acknowledging the Yang, absolutes are for suckers, and only useful conditionally for a certain time and place. This is being skillful, recognizing the conditions and the time and place.

[RighteousDude]

And Righteous Dude, don't go please. We need you around

I appreciate that, man, but as the gatekeeper of my consciousness I have to respect myself enough to decide wisely what gets in and what doesn't. If what's in this thread is an indication of what's acceptable and so can be expected here, then I'll just put the time I would have spent here into those other forums where people speak of love and interact with compassion and respect. It's so easy a decision to make that it makes itself if a dude has good sense enough to know when to say fuck it.

I've seen my share and yours, too, of fear, anger, and hatred in my lifetime. I was born into an environment that was ruled by that shit, and I've just got no more tolerance for it. There is no place for it in my life. If I have to leave some web forum or other to put a stop to it before it affects me, then that's the least drastic step I've ever had to take to accomplish that end.

I want to see where this thread goes, at least I think I do, so I'm not going anywhere just yet. Maybe soon, maybe not for years to come. If I'm to end up splitting I'm going to hope that I'm wise enough to do it while I can still reflect upon my time here as something that has enriched my life, as I do now -- ain't no sense making a bad marriage out of it.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Try being more dispassionate.

?Let your ears hear whatever they want to hear; let your eyes see whatever they want to see; let your mind think whatever it wants to think; let your lungs breathe in their own rhythm.  Do not expect any special result, for in this wordless and idealess state, where can there be past or future, and where any notion of purpose?  Stop, look, and listen??

Alan Watts, Tao:  The Watercourse Way, 1975, chapter 2, p. 36

Just a suggestion, no big.

[LotsaBadKarma]

RD, I'm new here and may not have a right to say this but I am comforted by your reaction to what I perceived as hate being expressed in this thread. For that reason I hope sincerely that you decide to stay with this forum. You bring what I would call a calm voice of reason to a discussion that starts heading south. That in itself can help to resolve some small problems before they become big problems.

OK, not that I don't hate because I do. My strategy is simple, though. It involves getting to know an individual member of some group (for the purpose of this thread I'll use Muslims) and learning things about that person that I find so disgusting or disheartening that I have no fucking choice but to hate them. But I prefer to hate them as an individual and I try to address them, in terms of my hatred, as individuals. Like, for instance, rather than say "FUCK MUSLIMS" what I might say is "FUCK THAT PEDERAST COCKSUCKER HASAAN" who, coincidentally happens to be a Muslim, a cocksucker, and a pederast. What I'm saying is that I don't hate Hasaan because he's a Muslim, I hate him because he's a cocksucker and a pederast ("eight year olds, dude"). In this way not only do I avoid looking like an ignoramus for collectively hating an entire group of people, most of whom I will never meet, but I actually find a good reason to hate someone as an individual so I have some real understanding of the whys and wherefores of my hatred. Then my hatred is pure and honest and is not based upon old wives' tales or mad suspicion.

So again, RD, I hope you'll consider staying on.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

More skillful.

But why do you hate pederasts? What is about pederasts that you hate?

These questions are for academic purposes, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the questioner.

[Boston Rockbury]

When there is a consistent vibe of hate, I wouldn't want to stick around, which is why I wouldn't go to Klan meetings. But the occasional expression of negative vibes towards other dudes gives us a chance to look at what's going down; and that, I believe, is a good thing. My assumption is that Abideist is a perfectly groovy dude suffering from temporary uptightness. Nothing is fundamentally fucked. We learn from eachother. Nobody gets it right all the time. As far as I'm concerned Abideist is welcome round my private residence to chat over an oat soda any time - all dudes are. The words 'I love you man, but do you have to be such an asshole' come to mind.    Peace dudes!

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

That is skillful.

Did the Dude abandon Walter, was Walter wrong, or just an asshole?

[RighteousDude]

Did the Dude abandon Walter, was Walter wrong, or just an asshole?

Now there's an interestin' question. Being from the place and time that just naturally produced dudes, my reference for what is dudely has nothing to do with the movie. My wife, from the same place and time (and who was my high school sweetheart) so has the same point of reference, remarks every time we watch the flick that there's just no way a real life dude and a guy like Walter would hang out. Neither would want to.

Myself, I'd abandon Walter. The kid who was my best friend starting the first day of first grade, after his family moved into the neighborhood during the previous summer, became a Walter. He was (became) a real authoritarian neo-fascist asshole, and just like Walter was all hung up on a woman he couldn't keep -- she was a lesbian who only fucked him when she wanted to make her current girlfriend jealous, and sure enough he knocked her up. Anyway, that fuckin' guy was a sneaky thieving fucker just like Walter, too, quick to rationalize that no one would really be hurt if he nicked this or that. The neo-fascist bastard implicated me in a crime he and another guy did without my knowledge, in much the same way that Walter lept from the Dude's car with an Uzi, and things being what they were in my life at that time I plead guilty only because it was far cheaper than lawyering up. Lots of other shit like that went down (though without the pigs rousting me for it), and later I would find that he'd ripped me off at a time when I could least afford it. The magnanimous son of a bitch even helped me out by loaning me a little of what had been my own money so I could eat until payday, but I was still left begging my friends just to get by.

Anyway, when it became obvious that my Walter-like friend was irredeemably fucked up and would always bring trouble, I unilaterally made it a limited contact acquaintance. We had history from before he turned into a neo-fascist asshole so we kept in touch, but infrequently. It was coincidentally during the time setting of TBL (September '91) that I became aware that he was the one who'd ripped me off and left me begging many years earlier, and I counseled him that if he stayed far away from me he'd avoid a bloodletting.

Neo-fascists like fucking Walter do not have friends. They have convenient acquaintances who fit into their entirely self-centered lives. This dude has not allowed that sort into his life for a long, long time and my old dudely friends from way back when are all the same way. Life's just too fucking short, man, to eat other people's shit. If you've got a Walter in your life and you don't get rid of him, then you're just volunteering to be force fed.

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Just curiously, are you sure he was a Walter and not a nihilist/Big Lebowski? I go by the Team America dicks, pussies and assholes analogy, Dude, smokey and a few others are pussies, Walter is a dick, but the Big Lebowski and the nihilists are assholes.

For the unfamiliar, it goes something like this: pussies are the ones who are like the Dude and just want to chill and have everyone get along, dicks have a hard time with that and are always looking for something to fuck, they fuck pussies all the time, but they love their pussies, they are just not good at it. But sometimes there are assholes, and pussies are helpless against assholes, assholes don't love they just want to shit on everything, and the only way to stop them is to let the dicks fuck those assholes.

I have no problem hanging with dicks or pussies, but fuck the assholes. I still have quite a few biker friends, and it gets weird for me at times, once I spent two days at a Zen Peacemakers symposium, then the next day I was a biker party, talk about book ending your weekend.

http://youtu.be/2cV_q-mVAAA

[Boston Rockbury]

pussies are the ones who are like the Dude and just want to chill and have everyone get along, dicks have a hard time with that and are always looking for something to fuck, they fuck pussies all the time, but they love their pussies, they are just not good at it. But sometimes there are assholes, and pussies are helpless against assholes, assholes don't love they just want to shit on everything, and the only way to stop them is to let the dicks fuck those assholes.

I have no problem hanging with dicks or pussies, but fuck the assholes. I still have quite a few biker friends, and it gets weird for me at times, once I spent two days at a Zen Peacemakers symposium, then the next day I was a biker party, talk about book ending your weekend.

http://youtu.be/2cV_q-mVAAA

It's like Freud just dropped 8 tabs of acid

[RighteousDude]

Just curiously, are you sure he was a Walter and not a nihilist/Big Lebowski?

That neo-fascist was and likely still is very much a Walter. Not a converted Jew but a Jack Mormon, as was his lesbian whom he met at a Mormon summer camp. He was a gun nut, but his preferred carry was the Model 57 .41 Magnum rather than Walter's 1911 .45. By the time I evicted him from my life, he was a ten or eleven year Navy veteran who blew the Navy off when they wanted to take away his cushy interior dry land gig and put him back on a ship, but he always wore his dipshit memorabilia. He must have had a case of Kitty Hawk and Vinson caps, and was one of those dipshits who made sure everyone knew he was a vet. Had US flags and Navy shit plastered on everything. He was loud and argumentative, always fucking argumentative, always trying to ram his opinions down people's throats. If you agreed with the guy, actually no shit agreed with him, he'd switch up his opinion to something outrageous just to have something to push into your face.

I bumbled into the son of a bitch online several years ago, probably '98 or '99, and he was going around to not-conservative forums and chat rooms picking fights with people just for the fuck of it. He had no reason to connect my screen name with my identity, and I just lurked anyway in order to avoid inviting trouble back into my life. 900 miles might not have been quite far enough away... He rode 400 miles to get himself invited to fuck off in '91 so I wasn't taking any chances. He had my parents' phone number and they'd have cheerily told him right where to pay a surprise visit if he'd asked.

I had a run-in with some Hessians once... they were an interesting bunch. Very aggressive but not real good at it. I just ride my Wing and let that sort be. 

[Rev. Gary (revgms)]

Yeah I dunno, but your "friend" sounds like a total tool. Bet he ended up at Colbert Nation at some point and I banned him, loved using the ban hammer on those asshats.


edit: My dad used to ride a Wing, full time year round, in Maine.

[RighteousDude]

Bet he ended up at Colbert Nation at some point and I banned him, loved using the ban hammer on those asshats.

Knowing that guy, it's pretty certain. If you ever had a user whose pseudonym was some variation on Mister Argument there was some chance that it was him. That's what he was using, in several variants, when I bumbled into him.

My dad used to ride a Wing, full time year round, in Maine.

Now that's some kind of hard core! I'd never even consider two wheels on roads that are potentially snow packed/icy. Rain I don't mind so much with the rain suit on and the windshield in front, but the serious slickeries would scare me so badly that the butt pucker would bite chunks out of the saddle.