Pacifism as Pathology

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BikerDude

Interesting read.
Say what you will about the author.
He had his share of controversy.


http://zinelibrary.info/files/pap_imposed.pdf


Out here we are all his children


DigitalBuddha

Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
Interesting read.
Say what you will about the author.
He had his share of controversy.


http://zinelibrary.info/files/pap_imposed.pdf


Fuckin' eh!! ..........

It is the obligation of every person who claims to oppose oppression
to resist the oppressor by every means at his or her disposal. Not to
engage in physical resistance, armed resistance to oppression, is to
serve the interests of the oppressor; no more, no less. There are no
exceptions to the rule, no easy out...
- Assata Shakur, 1984

BikerDude

Quote from: DigitalBuddha on February 27, 2013, 07:16:25 PM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 27, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
Interesting read.
Say what you will about the author.
He had his share of controversy.


http://zinelibrary.info/files/pap_imposed.pdf


Fuckin' eh!! ..........

It is the obligation of every person who claims to oppose oppression
to resist the oppressor by every means at his or her disposal. Not to
engage in physical resistance, armed resistance to oppression, is to
serve the interests of the oppressor; no more, no less. There are no
exceptions to the rule, no easy out...
- Assata Shakur, 1984


Out here we are all his children


BikerDude



Out here we are all his children


Boston Rockbury

Thing is dudes you have 'Pacifism' with a like capital 'P' which is your political, kinda evangelical pacifism.
Then you have dudeist pacifism which is the transcendent vibe that comes from resisting the Walter-Donny axis of aggressor-victim suffering.

Same word- two very different energies man.
religion fucks kids - science fucks the planet

BikerDude

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Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 28, 2013, 07:49:37 AM
Thing is dudes you have 'Pacifism' with a like capital 'P' which is your political, kinda evangelical pacifism.
Then you have dudeist pacifism which is the transcendent vibe that comes from resisting the Walter-Donny axis of aggressor-victim suffering.

Same word- two very different energies man.

To wit..

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Pacifism
A philosophy of nonviolence, historically only practiced by those who rely on the killing and dying of others in defense of their privilege to practice that philosophy.

Pacifism when it's easy.
Preaching it on the Dudeism board is a softball.
Try it in Baghdad.
Well OK I'm being difficult.
But the basic point is that in any meaningful way Pacifism is self annihilating in any form.
It can not be expressed as a counter to what it professes to oppose.
It's saving grace being professions of the delusional such as magical energies effecting real change.

And
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Finally, it must be pointed out that many supposed ?deeply principled?
adherents are systematically deluding themselves that they are really
pacifists at all. This facet of the symptoms is marked by a consistent
avoidance of personal physical risk, an overweaning attitude of per-sonal superiority vis-?-vis those who ?fail? to make overt professions
of nonviolence, and  sporadic lapses into rather unpacifist modes of
conduct in interpersonal contexts

Ooops.
Quotesporadic lapses into rather unpacifist modes of
conduct in interpersonal contexts
Sort of sounds familiar.
While pacifism may be viewed as a valid view in conjunction with other necessary courses we must always ask ourselves "is it pacifism or stoned lazy cowardice masquerading as pacifism"?

Calmer than you are....


Out here we are all his children


Boston Rockbury

Sure everyone dips into the aggression-victim axis from time to time "we're gonna cut your dick off larry"

but the Dude's response to the toilet-thugs, the johnson-marmot nihilists and the reactionary police chief dude-jitsued an axis-transcendent pacifist path of the highest order.

religion fucks kids - science fucks the planet

BikerDude

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 28, 2013, 09:02:24 AM
Sure everyone dips into the aggression-victim axis from time to time "we're gonna cut your dick off larry"

but the Dude's response to the toilet-thugs, the johnson-marmot nihilists and the reactionary police chief dude-jitsued an axis-transcendent pacifist path of the highest order.



OK. But the point being......
They were tough. Larry was a 15 year old.
What are we to deduce from that?
Is the dude philosophical or a pussy?


Out here we are all his children


Boston Rockbury

Quote from: BikerDude on February 28, 2013, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 28, 2013, 09:02:24 AM
Sure everyone dips into the aggression-victim axis from time to time "we're gonna cut your dick off larry"

but the Dude's response to the toilet-thugs, the johnson-marmot nihilists and the reactionary police chief dude-jitsued an axis-transcendent pacifist path of the highest order.



OK. But the point being......
They were tough. Larry was a 15 year old.
What are we to deduce from that?
Is the dude philosophical or a pussy?

the Dude has a pair of testicles he just realises it isn't that clever to go round hitting people with them.
religion fucks kids - science fucks the planet

BikerDude

Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 28, 2013, 09:09:59 AM
Quote from: BikerDude on February 28, 2013, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: Boston Rockbury on February 28, 2013, 09:02:24 AM
Sure everyone dips into the aggression-victim axis from time to time "we're gonna cut your dick off larry"

but the Dude's response to the toilet-thugs, the johnson-marmot nihilists and the reactionary police chief dude-jitsued an axis-transcendent pacifist path of the highest order.



OK. But the point being......
They were tough. Larry was a 15 year old.
What are we to deduce from that?
Is the dude philosophical or a pussy?

the Dude has a pair of testicles he just realises it isn't that clever to go round hitting people with them.

It's a tough job but somebodies got to do it.


Out here we are all his children