Article entitled Why I Raise My Children Without God

[Brother D]

I think that article is on point, bikerdude, dudeism is here as an escape from it, indeed, the title of the thread, is as good a reason as any to not make it part of everyday life. I mean, who'd want that in their lives, really?

We as a species, have been on the verge of a shift in consciousness, for a few generations now and probably will be, for a few more. The question is, will we sink? Or swim? I for one, don't want my children to live in a society, where division and prejudice is seen as OK, just because "it is written".

I try to teach my children and indeed anyone who asks, to be open minded, tolerant and accepting of others, that not all will agree, but living in the past, will divert them from making a better future for themselves and others.

If you want your little dudes to grow up with a conscience, indoctrination is not the way, I think. Helping them find their own path without fear of eternal damnation, is a duty to the people you help bring into this world and as well as a heathy respect for themselves, each other, nature and their environment is key to human survival, not shaming them into compliance.

Teaching the next generation morals, doesn't need to be complicated, everyone feels empathy at least on some level, there's no need for religion per se, a respect for life is a good foundation to build on. I do think, education about religion, is valuable though, as a way of teaching the diversity of culture and as in a previous post, no one knows 100%, even atheists.

Does that mean we are all agnostic? Well dudes, we truly don't know!

[The Guro]

Another instance of a Christian claiming that criticism of their beliefs is out of bounds. Some would call it Christian victimization complex.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Persecution_complex%23In_Christianity&ved=0ahUKEwi1-tu9q4nMAhUMNT4KHcbGAaoQygQIJzAA&usg=AFQjCNFCugKu9f1UfEVqnFe13hoBCwI8mA&sig2=Gx7GOL-MFrXcbc2Ou5UccA

I have never said this... Just that you guys seem to not get the concept of being off topic in this part of the forum. It's not a complex when you are so blatant in your adversarial point of view... YOU are preaching... not me.

I am operating within the implied and wide parameters of being a Dudeist by calling you out on having a poor attiDude. A call to actually Abide and not behave like a Paraquat towards other groups of people... Just be cool man...

You can't see that you are doing exactly what you claim Christians are doing?  YOU'RE not just happy Abiding in your own beliefs... YOU feel it necessary to spread a message against others instead of spreading The Dude Word in a positive "taken er easy" manner.

And that's cool with me... if you don't Troll a place that shit don't belong and ruin a thread. Heck... I would contribute some rants on a threat "Shit organized Religion/Christianity does that pisses me off" that I can't seem to abide/get over... maybe... in a un-Dude moment.

"Am I going too fast for ya?" - scene from "The Master of Disguise :) I couldn't find a clip or Meme : (

[Hominid]

"Am I going too fast for ya?"

Typical arrogant fuck. 

On to the next straw man...

[The Guro]

Faith blinds reason.

Reason Enlightens my faith... and allows me to see the value in applying Dudeism as a way of expressing it.

And at any rate... there will be no discussions here with me regarding faith (even though the opposition to it seems to be encouraged) unless for some reason it was invited and appropriate for the venue selected (i.e. the right forum thread). Other than that I am afraid you are going to be as limited as myself in attacking me on it in a non-metaphysical... non-faith level. Good luck... I don't think many here have ever given it any serious though based on arguments posted. But you will find that my approach towards the handling of the referenced texts extremely knowledgeable, reasonable and logical... and surprisingly aligned with Dudeism as much as that must annoy you. Thankfully it was apparent to our enlightened founders... allowing this opportunity for contributing to Dudeism and its appeal to Dudes of all backgrounds... not just those viewing it with "faithless" glasses.

I do have a wife, 5 kids, business endeavors, and school to juggle... so time is precious... it's hard to find time to take it easy. I think Dudeism is worth some time... How about we stop waisting it as you've pointed out. My point regarding the off-topic and counter-purpose posts and comments you Dudes have been posting is irrefutable by anyone employing reason... No "Straw Man" was employed (you must not have spent ALL your time in various administration building...). My requests are very reasonable.

I'll post a thread on topic when I get around to it... and let's see how Dudely you guys really are... can you dig it? If not... well that's our answer right there.

Abiding

[Brother D]

I think we'd all be interested to read it, as  I for one, get you have faith, (there have been times in life where I have doubted my beliefs), but we here don't do creationism. I have tried to understand where you are coming from, which I guess is some kind of Unitarian thing.
And when you bring theism into a non theist environment, there's going to be different opinions.

As for my comment "faith blinds reason", it is also true for love or anger, or any emotion, it clouds judgement, which is why being mindful and impartial, for me, avoids heated discussion.

[RandoRock]

Under the Influences/The Jesus is a place to talk about any aspect of Christianity that one chooses. It's a place to say why Jesus was a Dude, it's a place to make the case against him, and it's a place to debate one side or the other.

ChristianDude, I really believe that you don't understand Dudeism at all, you seem to do just fine with Christianity and all it's controlling, pushy bullshit. Dudeism isn't about control, it isn't about pushy, and it's not about forcing your ideas on anyone. Abide is a two way street, if you want people to accept/tolerate your beliefs and what you have to say then you need to pay them the same respect.  That's not even a Dudeism thing it's really just basic human decency. Now with that being said...

What it is about is basic freedom! I didn't watch my buddies die face down in the muck so you could waltz in here and start telling people where they can and can't post! So I'm staying, I'm finishing my coffee.

[The Guro]

Under the Influences/The Jesus is a place to talk about any aspect of Christianity that one chooses. It's a place to say why Jesus was a Dude, it's a place to make the case against him, and it's a place to debate one side or the other.

ChristianDude, I really believe that you don't understand Dudeism at all, you seem to do just fine with Christianity and all it's controlling, pushy bullshit. Dudeism isn't about control, it isn't about pushy, and it's not about forcing your ideas on anyone. Abide is a two way street, if you want people to accept/tolerate your beliefs and what you have to say then you need to pay them the same respect.  That's not even a Dudeism thing it's really just basic human decency. Now with that being said...

What it is about is basic freedom! I didn't watch my buddies die face down in the muck so you could waltz in here and start telling people where they can and can't post! So I'm staying, I'm finishing my coffee.

I did watch my buddies die face down in the muck...

You are making statement regarding what I believe in when I have never posted anything of any detail regarding my beliefs. You are merely making knee-jerk bigoted assumptions regarding them. Are you saying I should be posting Christian promoting material on this forum to promote my beliefs and criticize others? Because I was told that is a NOGO... But apparently Atheists can... Which of you actually read my posts and theirs you wouldn't make such statements.

Give me an example of me not respecting someone else's belief system (not personal opinon) here that even comes close to saying they are wrong, I am right... or that they are full of shit.... <crickets>

Read my post:
Re: Hichens on Islam
Reply #10 on: Today at 13:20:35

And tell me I am not understanding the direct quoted from Dudeist materials in reference to my post and others.

Under the Influences/The Jesus is a place to talk about any aspect of Christianity that one chooses. It's a place to say why Jesus was a Dude, it's a place to make the case against him, and it's a place to debate one side or the other.

No... the description of that forum or sub-forum do not imply this at all.

[RandoRock]

Well I've watched my buddies die too but that wasn't really my point, it's a quote from TBL and if you don't know that then there really is no help for you.

Anytime anyone says anything against Christianity you write a fucking book about how they are wrong and you're right so if you want examples just go look at literally every other thing you've posted.

No, man I don't think you are understanding. I don't think you are at all.

[The Guro]

Well I've watched my buddies die too but that wasn't really my point, it's a quote from TBL and if you don't know that then there really is no help for you.

Anytime anyone says anything against Christianity you write a fucking book about how they are wrong and you're right so if you want examples just go look at literally every other thing you've posted.

No, man I don't think you are understanding. I don't think you are at all.

Of course I know the quote (quoting is kinda my thing obviously)... it just takes on real meaning when you've actually been there and you see it tossed around so non-nonchalantly.

Have I said anyone was wrong (with the exception of the absurd comment regarding translations)? Have I said I am right from a stand point of Christianity? Nope. Haven't even talked about it. All reactionary private interpretation on your part. Your bias lens is making you unable to understand what I have actually written in light of what you assume.

I am only opposing people disparaging others beliefs... (omg... I think the horse is a skeleton now!) And saying that it is 'Undude' to do so, and runs contrary to the philosophy of Dudeism. As well as exposing the hypocrisy of the Dudes doing so in light of the Dudeist quotes I referenced which oppose such actions... or even being concerned with others religion.

So exactly what are you (or anyone) specifically saying that I have been wrong in opposing in regards to making negative comments about another religion/philosophy and whether not that lines up with Dudeism?

[Brother D]

This is the problem.

[The Guro]

This is the problem.

Your Meme?

It fails to be accurate in its first assertion by even Sunday School 101 standards (in any branch)... and fails to come into any concern of Dudeism completely...

"Forget it, BrotherD, you're out of your element!" and definitely outside the scope of concern for being a Dude. If you guys are abiding and could care less about Theism and such... why do you keep talking about it? Hmmmm... Because anti-theists are compelled to by their belief that religion is wrong... they can't abide.

[Brother D]

Yep, obviously have no idea what I'm doing, your totally right and i cannot fulfill any criteria of dudeism, or abiding in any sense. You win, man, I'm out.

[The Guro]

Yep, obviously have no idea what I'm doing, your totally right and i cannot fulfill any criteria of dudeism, or abiding in any sense. You win, man, I'm out.

I dig your apt useage of Dudejitsu:)

[The Guro]

You guys do get that I am not offended personally by "What" you say or believe?

I just don't agree with where you're saying it. And the fact that it's really not conducive to the philosophy, or core Dudeist 'values' (unless I am miss reading everything on the site, books, interviews, etc...). We should be able to abide together like the set up of a good joke... "So you have a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, and an Atheist bowling together..." kind of thing... "And the only thing they complain about is the other team going over the line."

Or something like that.

No one here in this forum did anything to elicit 23 Anti-Theist threads (in the section purposed for contributions from other faiths... and Christianity specifically). And yes... You have seen this before... and will continue to see... as long as this behavior continues. Many of you have admitted it several times in various threads. Others have commented they have observed the trend to attack other faiths (and most particularly Christians) on this forum and that it is a very 'undude' thing to partake in. No one is going to misread the abundant evidence to be found on this forum... or fail to identify the leaders of that crusade.

If The Dudeist powers that be don't want to only attract, be defined by, stereotyped by, and represented by, an extremely narrow demographic of people (what's that called?) who when examined don't quite line up with what's advertised as

Down through the ages, this ?rebel shrug? has fortified many successful creeds ? Buddhism, Christianity, Sufism, John Lennonism and Fo?-Shizzle-my-Nizzlism. The idea is this: Life is short and complicated and nobody knows what to do about it. So don?t do anything about it. Just take it easy, man. Stop worrying so much whether you?ll make it into the finals. Kick back with some friends and some oat soda and whether you roll strikes or gutters, do your best to be true to yourself and others ? that is to say, abide.

Now, it?s a basic tenet of the Dudeist ethos to just say ?Fuck it,? or ?Yeah, well, that?s just, like, you?re opinion, man,? when someone micturates upon our faith. But we?re talking about unchecked theological aggression here, drawing a line in the spiritual sand, Dude. Across this line you do not?also, Dude, ?faith? is not the preferred nomenclature??worldview,? please.

Ethics (rules about human behavior): Although this isn?t ?Nam, there aren?t many behavioral rules in Dudeism, either. However, we do recognize that we may enter a world of pain whenever we go over the line and we are forever cognizant of what can happen when we fuck a stranger in the ass.

Don't fuck Christian's in the ass on this forum

Social (a system shared and attitudes practiced by a group. Often rules for identifying community membership and participation): Racially we?re pretty cool and open to pretty much everyone?pacifists, veterans, surfers, fucking lady friends, vaginal artists, video artists with cleft assholes, dancing landlords, doctors who are good men and thorough, enigmatic strangers, brother shamuses?And proud we are of all of them.

Those we consider very un-Dude include: Rug-pissers, brats, nihilists, Nazis, human paraquats, pederasts, pornographers, fucking fascists, reactionaries, and angry cab drivers. Friends like these, huh, Gary?

Stop pissing on Christian's 'spiritual rugs'... it ties their desire for Dudeism together. At least the ones who would come to Dudeism... Why else do you think some find their way?

Like Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism, Dudeism is a non-theistic religion. That isn?t to say Dudeists necessarily don?t believe in God or a godlike power in the universe, only that passing judgment on this issue is not one of Dudeism?s goals. Like the Eastern religions just mentioned, Dudeism is interested in the here and now, not the there and then. The Dudeist objective is to make our lives more pleasant and meaningful to ourselves and each other.

Dudeism, on the other hand, takes the essential messages of all the world religions and simplifies them, purging them of all their dogma and superstitions, leaving only the easygoing, useful and fortifying parts. Moreover, one can be a Dudeist and still remain a Christian, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, etc. Dudeism isn?t a strict system ? it?s more of a method of living, a state of mind. In order to keep your mind limber, Dudeism needs to remain limber as well.

This is why I came to Dudeism... This is what I am going to do with it here...

As we have all heard/seen The Dudely Lama say...

?Life is short and complicated and nobody knows what to do about it. So don?t do anything about it. Just take it easy, man. Stop worrying so much whether you?ll make it into the finals. Kick back with some friends and some oat soda and whether you roll strikes or gutters, do your best to be true to yourself and others ? that is to say, abide.?

I know that's a lot of quoting... But it has been implied that I am pulling what I perceive Dudeism to be about out of my ass or something. If you look at these quotes... Is this what you think you represent? If not... and you can admit it to yourself at least... Every day, hour, minute, second... is a fresh start. I don't think I am the Uber-Dude... I am digging Dudeism because I aspire to be a better dude. I can't go back and fix anything I might have done before... or posted here on this forum if the there is anything undude... I can only be a Dude 'in the here and now'.

Hominid, there is schtuff that I can learn from you... we have several common interests... I would love to benefit from that. I feel no need to evangelize you, challenge your 'world view', or imply your 'whatever' for following it. If we can only abide with those who are similar to ourselves or share a common 'enemy/hatred/whatnot'... that's not abiding.

Have no worries... I am 99% sure that Dudeism will not ever be a hot spot of Christian participation as it exists in the world today. They have mostly lost the 'rebel shrug' and forgotten that their own book said they would be rejected and few in number... Those few who seek it might come here. What will they find?

Abiding Dudes... or at least wanting to

[BikerDude]

Why do you continue to tell people what to do?
If you want to post positive thing about Christianity then have at it.
But IMO you should stop trying to legislate what others say.