Friend sent me this, have to say, it makes the point well...

[Stever]

Far fucking out!
Burn one for me,while you sit on your asses and do nothing.

[DigitalBuddha]

Far fucking out!
Burn one for me,while you sit on your asses and do nothing.

I still jerk off manually, that should count for something.

[banjodude]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

Fucking A!

[meekon5]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

Fucking A!

I think you'll notice a lot of us haven't been saying a lot recently because (though we understand and admire your passion) it doesn't mean anything to those of us outside the USA.

Personally I'm more worried that the police here in London started carrying guns around the time of the Olympics, and don't seem to have put them away yet.

[BikerDude]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

Fucking A!

I think you'll notice a lot of us haven't been saying a lot recently because (though we understand and admire your passion) it doesn't mean anything to those of us outside the USA.

Personally I'm more worried that the police here in London started carrying guns around the time of the Olympics, and don't seem to have put them away yet.

Actually that is an important point.
Even police in UK don't carry guns.
Make of that what you will in terms of the current debate.

[Zen Dog]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

Fucking A!

I think you'll notice a lot of us haven't been saying a lot recently because (though we understand and admire your passion) it doesn't mean anything to those of us outside the USA.

Personally I'm more worried that the police here in London started carrying guns around the time of the Olympics, and don't seem to have put them away yet.

They are for intimidating us, not the Arabs. The Genie is out of the bottle.

[RighteousDude]

Burn one for me,while you sit on your asses and do nothing.

On that note, a little mood music.

In the United States there is no democracy. You have no rights. All you have are privileges subject to the caprice of those in power. The only difference between the Constitution and the bible is that the gods created by the Constitution are real, and they are the plutocrats the Constitution was designed to protect. Just like the mythical gods, you can pray to the living gods all you want and with the same outcome. None of them give a fuck about you. It will not bother them to kill you if you are foolish enough to stand between them and something they want. They do it all the time.

I hold no sway over those gods, man. They don't give a fuck about me, either. I've met the motherfuckers, broke bread with them, drank their liquor and had lengthy conversations with them. They do not give a fuck about us. They do not seek a "new world order" because the current order suits them just fine. They own it. They do whatever they want with complete impunity. They don't care about your votes or your letters or your protests in the streets or your congregations inside the free speech zones. They look on with mild amusement, wondering what you hope to accomplish by the impotent act of voicing your worthless opinions.

But if you want to blame my lack of faith in the mythology you cherish for your own failure to maintain unquestioning belief in it, by all means carry on. I don't mind at all.

[A Stoned Buddha]

Burn one for me,while you sit on your asses and do nothing.

On that note, a little mood music.

In the United States there is no democracy. You have no rights. All you have are privileges subject to the caprice of those in power. The only difference between the Constitution and the bible is that the gods created by the Constitution are real, and they are the plutocrats the Constitution was designed to protect. Just like the mythical gods, you can pray to the living gods all you want and with the same outcome. None of them give a fuck about you. It will not bother them to kill you if you are foolish enough to stand between them and something they want. They do it all the time.

I hold no sway over those gods, man. They don't give a fuck about me, either. I've met the motherfuckers, broke bread with them, drank their liquor and had lengthy conversations with them. They do not give a fuck about us. They do not seek a "new world order" because the current order suits them just fine. They own it. They do whatever they want with complete impunity. They don't care about your votes or your letters or your protests in the streets or your congregations inside the free speech zones. They look on with mild amusement, wondering what you hope to accomplish by the impotent act of voicing your worthless opinions.

But if you want to blame my lack of faith in the mythology you cherish for your own failure to maintain unquestioning belief in it, by all means carry on. I don't mind at all.

Fucking-A right man! It's like Lenin said man, follow the fucking money. Fat stacks of cash (which today equal power) is the only thing that gives the real over-achievers out there a hard on man.  Fuck you. Fuck me. Fuck everyone else. Ah, fuck it all anyway. I'm just wanna get high until I die. If they let me have that much I'll die happy.

[BikerDude]

Burn one for me,while you sit on your asses and do nothing.

On that note, a little mood music.

In the United States there is no democracy. You have no rights. All you have are privileges subject to the caprice of those in power. The only difference between the Constitution and the bible is that the gods created by the Constitution are real, and they are the plutocrats the Constitution was designed to protect. Just like the mythical gods, you can pray to the living gods all you want and with the same outcome. None of them give a fuck about you. It will not bother them to kill you if you are foolish enough to stand between them and something they want. They do it all the time.

I hold no sway over those gods, man. They don't give a fuck about me, either. I've met the motherfuckers, broke bread with them, drank their liquor and had lengthy conversations with them. They do not give a fuck about us. They do not seek a "new world order" because the current order suits them just fine. They own it. They do whatever they want with complete impunity. They don't care about your votes or your letters or your protests in the streets or your congregations inside the free speech zones. They look on with mild amusement, wondering what you hope to accomplish by the impotent act of voicing your worthless opinions.

But if you want to blame my lack of faith in the mythology you cherish for your own failure to maintain unquestioning belief in it, by all means carry on. I don't mind at all.

Well it's not a line item veto power for the people but one thing I see pretty clearly is that when push comes to shove if they feel like their job is on the line they don't take a stand against public sentiments.
If the numbers are against gun legislation in their district then they will be also. And visa versa.
The real problem is the way the debate is controlled.
The reality is that most people are fairly close to the center on most things but the debate is between 2 extremes on pretty much all issues.
It's no accident. It motivates people by fear.
How do you get people to vote for something that does not benefit them?
Convince them that the only alternative is worse.
It keeps people in line.
Most people out there live in constant fear of fictional demons that are constructed by extreme lunatics spewing lies and idiocy. And it just gets worse and worse.

The 2 sides (as in parties) are just pro wrestling and watching it all play out is like watching some rube on the street being fleeced at 3 card Monty.

[milnie]

I appreciate what the Dudley lama has noted but I would like to get one more question answered.
For the point of owning a gun for personal safety, how do you keep it handy for emergencies? In the uk before they changed the rules on handgun ownership, you were required to keep your gun locked up and the bullets locked in a separate location. So if you did find intruders in your house, it is unlikely you could arm yourself without meeting them first. I take it things are less stringent in th USA?

[BikerDude]

I appreciate what the Dudley lama has noted but I would like to get one more question answered.
For the point of owning a gun for personal safety, how do you keep it handy for emergencies? In the uk before they changed the rules on handgun ownership, you were required to keep your gun locked up and the bullets locked in a separate location. So if you did find intruders in your house, it is unlikely you could arm yourself without meeting them first. I take it things are less stringent in th USA?

Personally I keep mine locked up in a gun safe.
There are lots of opinions on this. If I felt strongly about the need to have quick access I'd agree with the following.
Check this article Item # 6.
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence

A lot of gun owners that I know insist on keeping loaded guns handy and readily available. Even though they have kids in the house. Personally I think they are being idiots.
I even know someone who sleeps with a loaded .44 mag.
He is an idiot irregardless of the gun.
I believe in the right to bear arms but I personally know a handful of people that I wish didn't.
And as expected they are the strongest defenders of "gun rights" that I know.

[RighteousDude]

For the point of owning a gun for personal safety, how do you keep it handy for emergencies?

Speaking for myself, if I needed a firearm right this instant I'd just pick up the one that's sitting about three inches beyond my keyboard.  And if I needed one in the middle of the night I'd grab the one that's on the headboard of the bed. I've used firearms for self defense twice, both times at an instant's notice with no reason to anticipate the trouble that came my way, and both times without even showing the muzzle to the aggressor. In my view a home defense gun is like an automobile seat belt or a motorcycle helmet: If it's not in place before you need it, it's worthless.

It should be noted that there are no children in our home, and the guns are secured when the grandkids or any other children come to visit. They're secured when any adult we don't trust with our lives comes to visit -- especially when it's my stepson who is a hot-headed asshole. But at all other times, all of the firearms in our home are loaded. We're in town but on the edge of it, and we sometimes get bears or mountain lions wandering past and almost always have deer (their prey) in our yard.