Friend sent me this, have to say, it makes the point well...

[mrpaddy]

Too many guns?
No..too many fucked-up people,too much media bias,making gun owners all sound like some wacky fringe group of fruitcakes

Wouldn't reducing the numbers of guns be easier than reducing the numbers of fucked up people?

Obviously there's lots of people with guns who aren't going to go shoot innocent people. But even setting aside concerns over who else might find, steal, use your gun, doesn't restricting access to weapons still make sense?

I'd be interested to hear a pro-gun persons viewpoint on how to prevent the numbers of violent shootings such as the recent school violence and the batman incident... Is there a solution easier or more efficient than better gun control which the anti-gun people aren't thinking of?

[DigitalBuddha]

Too many guns?
No..too many fucked-up people,too much media bias,making gun owners all sound like some wacky fringe group of fruitcakes

Wouldn't reducing the numbers of guns be easier than reducing the numbers of fucked up people?

Maybe, if you want this...

[A Stoned Buddha]

Too many guns?
No..too many fucked-up people,too much media bias,making gun owners all sound like some wacky fringe group of fruitcakes

Wouldn't reducing the numbers of guns be easier than reducing the numbers of fucked up people?

Obviously there's lots of people with guns who aren't going to go shoot innocent people. But even setting aside concerns over who else might find, steal, use your gun, doesn't restricting access to weapons still make sense?

I'd be interested to hear a pro-gun persons viewpoint on how to prevent the numbers of violent shootings such as the recent school violence and the batman incident... Is there a solution easier or more efficient than better gun control which the anti-gun people aren't thinking of?

Yeah, it does. Seeing how difficult it would be to get a consensus definition of "fucked up people" and then the years it would take to put the processes in place to identify those people. But, I feel you're barking up the wrong tree around here man. It seems to me, the regular posters on this forum strongly believe in an idea of complete personal freedom to own whatever they want regardless of the potential danger to others. It's a case of American egoism and fear. People here are afraid. They would much rather shoot a person to death than let them steal their TV. Guns are a tool, but an instant, un-take-backable tool at that. They in themselves do not cause violence, obviously. Of course many here think we could better draw the line between low-capacity hunting weapons and weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing people, but groups like the NRA, who represent weapon manufacturers, won't allow it. They want it it all. Their idea of a utopia is one were everyone carries a gun, everywhere, at all times. (Just think of the sales!) Many people in the States just like guns and don't care about the potential for instant violence they represent, as much as their own idea of personal liberty. If it makes them personally "feel" safe, then they feel the cost of the dozens of daily shooting deaths that occur here are worth it. "Because it's me next." The NRA spends millions of dollars every year to undermine any study that has to do with gun violence. Their plan is simple. Keep the truth muddy. Instill fear in the populace. Advertise freedom with every tactical weapon. Profit. They won't just come out and say it like that. Oh no, they weave a tale of personal freedoms, history and whatnot. But they've figured it out, if you keep people fearing a violent past, they stop believing in a peaceful future. It boils down to fear, money and nothing more. Of course, this is just, like, my opinion man. Taker easy out there.

[DigitalBuddha]

Too many guns?
No..too many fucked-up people,too much media bias,making gun owners all sound like some wacky fringe group of fruitcakes

Wouldn't reducing the numbers of guns be easier than reducing the numbers of fucked up people?

Obviously there's lots of people with guns who aren't going to go shoot innocent people. But even setting aside concerns over who else might find, steal, use your gun, doesn't restricting access to weapons still make sense?

I'd be interested to hear a pro-gun persons viewpoint on how to prevent the numbers of violent shootings such as the recent school violence and the batman incident... Is there a solution easier or more efficient than better gun control which the anti-gun people aren't thinking of?

It seems to me, the regular posters on this forum strongly believe in an idea of complete personal freedom to own whatever they want regardless of the potential danger to others.

I would have to disagree; I see a strong desire for personal responsibility and responsible freedom. I see no indication that anyone here, pro or con in the debate on gun ownership, is an irresponsible person. Gun ownership requires taking responsibility for such ownership, and I, as an example, promote safe and responsible ownership of arms. The vast majority of Americans have for over 230 years proven themselves extremely capable or owning arms and governing such arms in a proper manner.

Additionally, reducing an American to "It's a case of American egoism and fear" is a straw man and wholly without basis in fact or an understanding of the American tradition of the right to "keep and bare arms." I would also called it a more or less an insult to the average American with a natural passion for freedom. Do you really believe the founding Fathers of the United States acted in mere "egoism and fear?" I think not.

IMHO

[BikerDude]

Small Problem.
Fucked up person.

Big Problem
Fucked up person with a gun.

[A Stoned Buddha]

Too many guns?
No..too many fucked-up people,too much media bias,making gun owners all sound like some wacky fringe group of fruitcakes

Wouldn't reducing the numbers of guns be easier than reducing the numbers of fucked up people?

Obviously there's lots of people with guns who aren't going to go shoot innocent people. But even setting aside concerns over who else might find, steal, use your gun, doesn't restricting access to weapons still make sense?

I'd be interested to hear a pro-gun persons viewpoint on how to prevent the numbers of violent shootings such as the recent school violence and the batman incident... Is there a solution easier or more efficient than better gun control which the anti-gun people aren't thinking of?

It seems to me, the regular posters on this forum strongly believe in an idea of complete personal freedom to own whatever they want regardless of the potential danger to others.

I would have to disagree; I see a strong desire for personal responsibility and responsible freedom. I see no indication that anyone here, pro or con in the debate on gun ownership, is an irresponsible person. Gun ownership requires taking responsibility for such ownership, and I, as an example, promote safe and responsible ownership of arms. The vast majority of Americans have for over 230 years proven themselves extremely capable or owning arms and governing such arms in a proper manner.

Additionally, reducing an American to "It's a case of American egoism and fear" is a straw man and wholly without basis in fact or an understanding of the American tradition of the right to "keep and bare arms." I would also called it a more or less an insult to the average American with a natural passion for freedom. Do you really believe the founding Fathers of the United States acted in mere "egoism and fear?" I think not.

IMHO

Wrong dude. I did not reduce any American to a straw man. I gave the opinion that the gun control issue here is based on the dire need of some people here to put their own perceived idea of personal liberty ahead of the general safety of others, no matter what the cost. It's always about the poor little me here. The whole civilized world laughs at us over this. I understand very well the history of this country. I just don't wish to repeat it. What people thought 240 some odd years is great for knowing where we've been, but of little to no use in dealing with our situation now. I think the founders dealt logically with the issues relevant within their time and then left the book open for new ideas for new times. Genius really. Do you think the founders may have worded the second amendment differently if at the time it was possible for one person to walk into a school and massacre 25 people in a few seconds with a gun? Me thinks probably. But whatever man, by our own natures we give each other our need to exist. Yin and Yang. I mean no insult. I think guns are cool as shit too and shooting is fun. But I would give it all up to prevent random killings, even if that means I myself leave myself open to be shot. Some things are bigger than me. Just giving my own opinion of the weather 'round here.

[Stever]

" I think guns are cool as shit too and shooting is fun. But I would give it all up to prevent random killings, even if that means I myself leave myself open to be shot."

I think guns are cool too,and I love shooting.
In a perfect world,there would be no random shootings.
Yes,that fuck-nose killed 26 people,with a rifle that had a 30 round mag,and the ME said they were all shot multiple times-just putting my 2 cents out there..the classroom was dark,shades drawn,kids huddled under desks,or what ever...he was one hell of a good shot,given that was the official story.
I have gone way off topic,and started to lose my train of thought here..
Would I give it all up to prevent random killings?
No.
Its still gonna happen,and would happen with more frequency,since those who are criminals will not give up their guns.
Criminals adore gun control-they embrace it,they look forward to it.
I wont leave myself open to be shot by some fucking nut,and I will do my best to protect myself,and my family.
If I was hanging out with Feinstein,..I would fucking step out of the way,duck,and cover..just sayin...
But,thats just like my opinion,man.

[forumdude]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

[Stever]

Sorry,dude...its a "hot button" topic these days,everywhere!
I will move on to other forums I belong to to discuss this topic.

I did enjoy posting here-a refreshing change from the usual"fuck you" flame wars!

Anyway...heres a topic..Baby Ruth bars..they contain NO babies,nor do they contain any "Ruths"...discuss...

[DigitalBuddha]

Man this gun control subject has really drawn a lot of enthusiasm.

Any chance we could move on to other subjects? The Forum is starting to look like a wing of the NRA.

Maybe we need a NDA..."National Dude Association." But you are correct; Sir, it seems to have played out it's time.

[Stever]

Yeah,its played out..Im just gonna say fuck it,and move on.
Keep on abiding,and take care,dudes!

[RighteousDude]

Far out. I'll smoke to that!

[Stever]

Revoke my "dudeship"-I enjoyed my time here,is what im saying.
Im a Walter.

[DigitalBuddha]

Revoke my "dudeship"-I enjoyed my time here,is what im saying.
Im a Walter.

We all have to deal with our inner Walter.

[DigitalBuddha]

Revoke my "dudeship"-I enjoyed my time here,is what im saying.
Im a Walter.

Far out. I'll smoke to that!

Far out, man! Burn one.