The purpose of "The Jesus"?

[Hominid]

So just as a book... based on what I just reviewed... I'd say it has some chops.

A distraction argument at best. You don't address the disparate modern translations; you only use facts to nit-pick at my objections.   Additionally, the FACTS in this bible of yours are so incredibly self-contradictory, you obviously can't see the forest through the trees.  Read just at face value, the bible is the best argument against itself.  If you don't have the intellect to figure that out, and will only ever defend christianity, your perspective is very undude.  Cuz, well - you either accept the whole bible, or none of it.  No cherry-picking.

You're an intellect with well-researched facts, but have a major bias for a very flawed belief system that does not survive the rigors of facts, logic, and philosophy 101. May I introduce you to the 4 Horsemen, or are they just ill-informed idiots because they don't share your faith?  Do some Youtube research on Sam Harris.

[The Guro]

So just as a book... based on what I just reviewed... I'd say it has some chops.

A distraction argument at best. You don't address the disparate modern translations; you only use facts to nit-pick at my objections.   Additionally, the FACTS in this bible of yours are so incredibly self-contradictory, you obviously can't see the forest through the trees.  Read just at face value, the bible is the best argument against itself.  If you don't have the intellect to figure that out, and will only ever defend christianity, your perspective is very undude.  Cuz, well - you either accept the whole bible, or none of it.  No cherry-picking.

You're an intellect with well-researched facts, but have a major bias for a very flawed belief system that does not survive the rigors of facts, logic, and philosophy 101. May I introduce you to the 4 Horsemen, or are they just ill-informed idiots because they don't share your faith?  Do some Youtube research on Sam Harris.

Your assessment is flawed.

Those are not translations... they are versions... my point was that it is more than available to access the source texts, language references, and records of all variations in both translation and versions to make a comparison and at least know the where, when, and sometimes why there is a variation or if it even has an effect in the meaning of the text.

Again... you are making assertions of facts with no references to supporting information other than your opinion.

• "You don't address the disparate modern translations"

What was this then:

"Are there issues? Yes... and here is usually why:

In transmission: Copying same to same... shit happens.
In translation: Ever watch sub-titles? Of course issues arise
Misunderstanding: not getting the language, understanding the culture/manners and customs/idioms, false assumptions... context... tons of things...

• "you only use facts to nit-pick at my objections"

How dare I use facts... I should have just made baseless statements of opinion versus opinion. I used the facts to obliterate an ill-informed opinion on the accuracy of the Biblical text... not whether or not it's truth. Again... supernatural stuff, theism, and that ilk... not a concern of Dudeism. I could just say... "That's just like, your opinion, man"... which would be the best Dudeist option to choose... But I am not perfect... and you are not stating it's your opinion. Your stating it's truth... and up till now you have been unchallenged by anyone in doing so and having a pat-each-other-on-the-back-attack-Christianity-party. I don't plan on really defending it... I don't have to... and shouldn't here among Dudeists.

• "the FACTS in this bible of yours are so incredibly self-contradictory"

Those are not really in question or for consideration in Dudeism... And you didn't give any examples anyway.

• "Read just at face value, the bible is the best argument against itself"

Again... see above...

• "you either accept the whole bible, or none of it.  No cherry-picking"

Who says I cherry pick in my faith or beliefs? That simply is not, AGAIN, a point of debate within the scope of what it contributes to Dudeism. Cherry picking from other faiths and philosophies is the whole point of this section of the forum "Under the Influences: The philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism" and "The Jesus:There was a lot that was very Dudeish about Christianity's original, uncompromised first draft."
and dare I say... Dudeism itself.[/list]

Have I not killed that particular dead horse a few times and stomped it into the ground?

"a very flawed belief system that does not survive the rigors of facts, logic, and philosophy 101"

Again... a statement. I am into the 500's nowadays... And my "faith" is not in question or a suitable topic for this forum (See Dead Horse). Whether or not I have a faith is outside the scope of Dudeism and has no bearing on being a Dudeist. It should be a non-topic and considered discriminatory behavior and is most certainly undudely... Especially considering I have never made any assertions regarding it. Never attempted to promote it. Never compared it to others or asserted their faith or lack thereof was wrong. Sounds like the definition of being a Dude to me... I have not defended my faith either... Really... look over my posts...

My perspective is that this section of the forum (TAKE THAT! HORSE!) is for referencing other "philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism"... not being a hater in them. And my accuracy in that perception is absolute and not dependent on your opinion since it doesn't say " a place to ridicule and attack philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism". Make your own forum thread if that's how you want to represent Dudeism... Or like I was told in warning of getting Theistic here... Start your own website or blog. I'll host it for you... really... I am not kidding. I will help a fellow Dude out.

Thanks for the research suggestion... I'll check him out. But most likely this forum won't be the place to comment on it... at least according to my Dudeway. I'll put it on one of my sites.

Abide Dudes! It takes some effort sometimes... Put on the mind of The Dude...

Dudeatians 5:17  For the old un-Dude in us fights against the Dude we are trying to emulate, and the Dude we are trying to emulate against the the old un-Dude we once were: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot be the Dudes that ye would.

Maybe I should do a Dudeo-Christian Version![/list]

[Hominid]

Vagina

[jgiffin]

The more interesting question, at least at this point, may be the purpose of TBL's Jesus (i.e., the creep who can roll, the guy played by John Turturro, the pederast).

That is, what was Jesus' purpose in TBL? The name, itself, is provocative; the character, even more so. He was set-up to be the penultimate villain in some respects, yet his encounter with the heroes doesn't happen on camera or even within the narrative construct.

Also, how did he and Liam fucking team-up? That's an odd couple if ever there was.

[Hominid]

The more interesting question, at least at this point, may be the purpose of TBL's Jesus (i.e., the creep who can roll, the guy played by John Turturro, the pederast).

That is, what was Jesus' purpose in TBL? The name, itself, is provocative; the character, even more so. He was set-up to be the penultimate villain in some respects, yet his encounter with the heroes doesn't happen on camera or even within the narrative construct.

Also, how did he and Liam fucking team-up? That's an odd couple if ever there was.

Just two good rollers who had a common interest.  As for "The Jesus", you'd have to dig into the heads of the Coen brothers - one of them has a degree in philosophy, which explains ALOT of the dialogue. . 

[SagebrushSage]

*deleting old posts*

[The Guro]

Hi SagebrushSage,

Very "sagey" of you:)

IMO the best places for that would be:

"Is that some kind of Eastern thing?"
Have a philosophy? A belief? An ethos? Or do you beliefs in nossing, man? Talk about it here.

"What You're Blathering About"
This is where all the extra malarkey goes - stuff without a literal connection to Dudeism, Lebowskism, or otherwise.

Unless we can ask an admin to set up an actual place for Dudeists who want to engage in Religious/Philisophical debate.

"Under the Influences"
The philosophical-religious traditions that predate and inform Dudeism

Should really be reserved people to share what they draw from that influences their Dudeism, and no a place to debate their religions or philosophies. Since a persons background and how they see it influencing their Dudeist walk is not really debatable...  It's like... their opinion... man.

[jgiffin]

I had a really insightful, prescient, even dispositive comment to make in response to this thread...but it's not the right forum so I'll keep it to myself.

Come off it. Nothing in Dudeism supports such a parochial view.

[The Guro]

I had a really insightful, prescient, even dispositive comment to make in response to this thread...but it's not the right forum so I'll keep it to myself.

Come off it. Nothing in Dudeism supports such a parochial view.

Do what you want... I'm not in charge of anything here. I am just trying to reclaim the purpose of this particular forum section/thread from whence it was hijacked. I've loved your posts (keep wishing there was a 'like' function)...

[Liam_123]

I had a really insightful, prescient, even dispositive comment to make in response to this thread...but it's not the right forum so I'll keep it to myself.

Come off it. Nothing in Dudeism supports such a parochial view.

Do what you want... I'm not in charge of anything here. I am just trying to reclaim the purpose of this particular forum section/thread from whence it was hijacked. I've loved your posts (keep wishing there was a 'like' function)...

There is a like function on Android Tapatalk versions of this forum. Just throwing that out there.

I can't wait for my next beer

[The Guro]

Do the likes get captured here somewhere for anyone to see?

I'll check that app out... Thanks. I am building my site right now and will try to find a good forum script if I can.

[HnauHnakrapunt]

The trouble with the single original copy of the text appears only when we think about the Bible as a single creative effort, like, say, Dan Brown's novels. In this case we have some definite beginning and end. When we think about it as a text created by many people over many years, it looks different. They could get some higher inspiration in the meantime, why not. But the book as we know it was not written in a day.