The Chinaman IS the issue here, dudes

[DigitalBuddha]

A Night in Macau, China, AWESOME!

Check it out, awesome theater and more - http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=uI2kO4qTi80&vq=medium

Yes, this is China, completely unspoiled pad..........

[milnie]

yeah, there was an article by the bbc recently where an entire austrian village was recreated in china. the people who live in the original are trying to find a way to sue the developer as their tourism has collapsed now all the chinese just hop on a train and visit the copy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13820048

[DigitalBuddha]

yeah, there was an article by the bbc recently where an entire austrian village was recreated in china. the people who live in the original are trying to find a way to sue the developer as their tourism has collapsed now all the chinese just hop on a train and visit the copy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13820048

Brings a new twist to the term "Made in China."

[milnie]

i was about to make a smart comment about them recreating the great pyramid next,.., but then remembered there are actually already huge earth pyramids in china, made to bury some of the war lords.

[DigitalBuddha]

i was about to make a smart comment about them recreating the great pyramid next,.., but then remembered there are actually already huge earth pyramids in china, made to bury some of the war lords.

HA! Could you imagine turning over the real Great Pyramid and seeing ......

[BikerDude]

OK. At this point somebody needs to explain to me how in the hell China is a communist country.
Really. I mean I know that they can own property. And now they have Casino's and resorts and crap?

I'm lost....

[DigitalBuddha]

OK. At this point somebody needs to explain to me how in the hell China is a communist country.
Really. I mean I know that they can own property. And now they have Casino's and resorts and crap?

I'm lost....

Well, they do seem to be throwing off communism, and why not, it never worked. Of course, this could merely be just a massive version of Lenin's NEP (New Economic Policy) of the early Bolshevik days in the former Soviet Union from 1921 to 1928, that permitted private ownership of industries. It was a way of temporally using free enterprise to bolster Marxism until communism could be implemented and hopefully, as far as the Bolsheviks were concerned, be made to work.

"was an economic policy proposed by Vladimir Lenin, who called it state capitalism."

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy

[meekon5]

OK. At this point somebody needs to explain to me how in the hell China is a communist country.
Really. I mean I know that they can own property. And now they have Casino's and resorts and crap?

I'm lost....

The fundamental argument has always been, if you reference Das Capital as the prime manual for what and how communism is, no state that has claimed to be communist (USSR, China) has actually been communist so far.

A few small groups have achieved something like communism (true communism). Even George Orwell a major socialist writer didn't manage it with some of the groups he was part of.

Both China and the USSR achieved totalitarian states using communist dogma to back their position, neither have ever been truly communist.

On the other hand it can also be argued that true capitalism (the market driving the supply and demand without interference) has never been achieved either.

We live in a "capitalist" state were the few perpetuate their wealth by suppressing the economic and educational potentials of the many.

In either system the ones with a lot continue to aggregate more whilst the ones that have little continue to have everything taken away from them and live in the perpetual dream that they one day can be one of the ones with everything.

IMDO.

[brother_erwin]

If you ask me: Look for the one who benefits!

I liked the Busby Berkeley bit. Reminds me of a dream involving Julianne Moore.
BE

[BikerDude]

OK. At this point somebody needs to explain to me how in the hell China is a communist country.
Really. I mean I know that they can own property. And now they have Casino's and resorts and crap?

I'm lost....

The fundamental argument has always been, if you reference Das Capital as the prime manual for what and how communism is, no state that has claimed to be communist (USSR, China) has actually been communist so far.

A few small groups have achieved something like communism (true communism). Even George Orwell a major socialist writer didn't manage it with some of the groups he was part of.

Both China and the USSR achieved totalitarian states using communist dogma to back their position, neither have ever been truly communist.

On the other hand it can also be argued that true capitalism (the market driving the supply and demand without interference) has never been achieved either.

We live in a "capitalist" state were the few perpetuate their wealth by suppressing the economic and educational potentials of the many.

In either system the ones with a lot continue to aggregate more whilst the ones that have little continue to have everything taken away from them and live in the perpetual dream that they one day can be one of the ones with everything.

IMDO.

Sort of like Christianity then.
Basically a label to bolster a self delusion while ignoring all the difficult parts about sacrifice and dogma.
Got it.