The Anti-Dude?

[Thel]

Could it be said that Old Man Lebowski was the Anti- Dude? In the Christian faith it is said that the Anti-Christ would "make himself like the son of God". Here it could be said to be his surname of Lebowski, which puts the machinations of the plot in progress.

It also mentions that "he spake like a dragon" which could be interpreted that he spoke in lies. Old Man Lebowksi himself kept his intentions hidden, until of course The Dude unravelled his plot and saved the day.

St Paul wrote that the one known as the Man of Sin (Another term of the A-C) had  characteristics that included"sitting in the temple" (Which could be said to be O.M.L's mansion, as he was only seen to leave it on one occasion), opposing himself against anything that is worshipped (Taking it easy?), claiming divine authority (He looked down on the Dude and saw himself as the better man), working all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs, and doing all kinds of evil (Taking money from the Little Lebwoski Urban Achiever Fund, Deceiving the Dude)

In the Muslim faith it is said that Jesus will battle the Anti- Christ, battle could also refer to confront and did not The Dude confront O.M.L near the end but did he not also show compassion when his foe was on the floor?

Finally the Anti-Christ is said to be a polar opposite of Jesus and was not Old Man Lebowski a somewhat hard working, wealthy (Well he had a reasonable allowance) and angry gentlemen, completely different from The Dudes somewhat calm, unemployed lazy self.

If you are not keen on the Anti - Dude theory how about this:

Balance plays an important part in a majority of faiths, God/Allah has Satan and the Hindu faith as three main beings to even the metaphorical scales; one creator, one destroyer and one maintainer and Buddhism teachs the balance of soul,mind and body. So should there not be one that balances the scales with the Dude? after all if everyone was abiding nothing would get done or is there a true balance we must achieve of abiding and well not abiding.

What are your opinions on this matter? What is the Ying to the Dudes yang? Who actively defies the Dude?

I may have looked too much into such a trivial matter but fuck it.

Comments, insults and own theories are welcome.

[DigitalBuddha]

From the occasional flashback, dude? 

[TheGermanNihilist]

I believe in NOZZING!!! NOZZING!

[brandt]

Could it be said that Old Man Lebowski was the Anti- Dude? In the Christian faith it is said that the Anti-Christ would "make himself like the son of God". Here it could be said to be his surname of Lebowski, which puts the machinations of the plot in progress.

It also mentions that "he spake like a dragon" which could be interpreted that he spoke in lies. Old Man Lebowksi himself kept his intentions hidden, until of course The Dude unravelled his plot and saved the day.

St Paul wrote that the one known as the Man of Sin (Another term of the A-C) had  characteristics that included"sitting in the temple" (Which could be said to be O.M.L's mansion, as he was only seen to leave it on one occasion), opposing himself against anything that is worshipped (Taking it easy?), claiming divine authority (He looked down on the Dude and saw himself as the better man), working all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs, and doing all kinds of evil (Taking money from the Little Lebwoski Urban Achiever Fund, Deceiving the Dude)

In the Muslim faith it is said that Jesus will battle the Anti- Christ, battle could also refer to confront and did not The Dude confront O.M.L near the end but did he not also show compassion when his foe was on the floor?

Finally the Anti-Christ is said to be a polar opposite of Jesus and was not Old Man Lebowski a somewhat hard working, wealthy (Well he had a reasonable allowance) and angry gentlemen, completely different from The Dudes somewhat calm, unemployed lazy self.

If you are not keen on the Anti - Dude theory how about this:

Balance plays an important part in a majority of faiths, God/Allah has Satan and the Hindu faith as three main beings to even the metaphorical scales; one creator, one destroyer and one maintainer and Buddhism teachs the balance of soul,mind and body. So should there not be one that balances the scales with the Dude? after all if everyone was abiding nothing would get done or is there a true balance we must achieve of abiding and well not abiding.

What are your opinions on this matter? What is the Ying to the Dudes yang? Who actively defies the Dude?

I may have looked too much into such a trivial matter but fuck it.

Comments, insults and own theories are welcome.

What in Gods name are you blathering about?

[roystonlodge]

I totally agree.

The Dude lives in a state of Dudeish bliss.  His happiness is not dependent on possessions or even the trappings of Dudeism itself.  As long as he gets to live how he wants, he's happy.  He doesn't aspire to Dudeish bliss.  He exists in that state naturally.

The Big Lebowski does not live in a state of Dudeish bliss.  He aspires to live in a state of Dudeish bliss, but chooses the absolutely incorrect path for achieving it.  He believes he needs money, power, and a trophy wife to reach that state.  When he acquires those things yet still fails to achieve bliss he doesn't re-evaluate his strategy.  Instead he continues along his unDude path, causing even more discord within himself and those around him.  Deep down, so deeply that he doesn't even recognize it, he's jealous of The Dude.  The Dude has what the Big Lebowski wants to have.  And the Big Lebowski hates him for it.

In the same way, the A-C hates J-C because J-C has what the A-C wants but can never seem to get.  But even though the A-C never gets what J-C has, he continues to use strategies that are shown to be incapable of achieving his own goals, because he's incapable of doing anything else.

Like, to an outside observer, both the Big Lebowski and the A-C seem ludicrous.  "Why don't you stop doing what you're doing, cuz it obviously ain't working and you're actually just making matters worse for yourself?!?!"  The Big Lebowski continues to live a life that obviously doesn't make him happy, and the A-C continues to live in Hell even though he theoretically could repent.

But the Big Lebowski and the A-C cannot change.  They are constants in their respective narratives.  The Big Lebowski is fundamentally incapable of living a different life and the A-C is fundamentally incapable of repenting.  They are both forces of the universe, not independent beings capable of being free agents.

The rest of us are not constants in our own narratives.  We are free agents,  capable of examining The Dude and the Big Lebowski, learning from their experiences, and choosing our own paths.  Similarly, we are free to examine J-C and the A-C, learn from their experiences, and choose our own paths.

Ironically, the Dude and J-C are also not constants in their own narratives.  They both have doubts.  The Dude: "I could be just sitting at home with pee stains on my rug."  J-C: "Father, why have You forsaken me?"

The A-C and the Big Lebowski do not doubt.  They are certain of the correctness of their path, even though nearly every outside observer sees that they are incorrect.  When confronted with evidence of their own fallibility they "blame the messenger", but never doubt themselves.

[DigitalBuddha]

I totally agree.

The Dude lives in a state of Dudeish bliss.  His happiness is not dependent on possessions or even the trappings of Dudeism itself.  As long as he gets to live how he wants, he's happy.  He doesn't aspire to Dudeish bliss.  He exists in that state naturally.

The Big Lebowski does not live in a state of Dudeish bliss.  He aspires to live in a state of Dudeish bliss, but chooses the absolutely incorrect path for achieving it.  He believes he needs money, power, and a trophy wife to reach that state.  When he acquires those things yet still fails to achieve bliss he doesn't re-evaluate his strategy.  Instead he continues along his unDude path, causing even more discord within himself and those around him.  Deep down, so deeply that he doesn't even recognize it, he's jealous of The Dude.  The Dude has what the Big Lebowski wants to have.  And the Big Lebowski hates him for it.

In the same way, the A-C hates J-C because J-C has what the A-C wants but can never seem to get.  But even though the A-C never gets what J-C has, he continues to use strategies that are shown to be incapable of achieving his own goals, because he's incapable of doing anything else.

Like, to an outside observer, both the Big Lebowski and the A-C seem ludicrous.  "Why don't you stop doing what you're doing, cuz it obviously ain't working and you're actually just making matters worse for yourself?!?!"  The Big Lebowski continues to live a life that obviously doesn't make him happy, and the A-C continues to live in Hell even though he theoretically could repent.

But the Big Lebowski and the A-C cannot change.  They are constants in their respective narratives.  The Big Lebowski is fundamentally incapable of living a different life and the A-C is fundamentally incapable of repenting.  They are both forces of the universe, not independent beings capable of being free agents.

The rest of us are not constants in our own narratives.  We are free agents,  capable of examining The Dude and the Big Lebowski, learning from their experiences, and choosing our own paths.  Similarly, we are free to examine J-C and the A-C, learn from their experiences, and choose our own paths.

Ironically, the Dude and J-C are also not constants in their own narratives.  They both have doubts.  The Dude: "I could be just sitting at home with pee stains on my rug."  J-C: "Father, why have You forsaken me?"

The A-C and the Big Lebowski do not doubt.  They are certain of the correctness of their path, even though nearly every outside observer sees that they are incorrect.  When confronted with evidence of their own fallibility they "blame the messenger", but never doubt themselves.

I disagree, the dude did not "live in a state of Dudeish bliss." It is a myth that being a dude means that you have to live in 'bliss" all the time like some shit-for-brains living in la la land indian guru sitting on top of a pile of flowers in the lotus position while a bunch of fucking moron wanna bees kiss your "god-like" ass to be dude-like.

Fuck that bullshit, man. The dude was a dude because he was for real, man. He was the real thing. He was dude because he was genuine and down to earth. He got pissed off sometimes, he got upset at others times, he was laid back, he got high, and at other times he just hung out and abided. Sometimes he even got some rich pussy (coitus, vigina) and when he might have a little Lebowski on the way, spit up his favorite drink all over himself.

The dude was one of us, taken er' easy for all us sinners...and I take comfort in that. Fuck that "guru bliss" shit!


....................that's just, like, my opinion, man.

[digbys kid]

I totally agree.

The Dude lives in a state of Dudeish bliss.  His happiness is not dependent on possessions or even the trappings of Dudeism itself.  As long as he gets to live how he wants, he's happy.  He doesn't aspire to Dudeish bliss.  He exists in that state naturally.

The Big Lebowski does not live in a state of Dudeish bliss.  He aspires to live in a state of Dudeish bliss, but chooses the absolutely incorrect path for achieving it.  He believes he needs money, power, and a trophy wife to reach that state.  When he acquires those things yet still fails to achieve bliss he doesn't re-evaluate his strategy.  Instead he continues along his unDude path, causing even more discord within himself and those around him.  Deep down, so deeply that he doesn't even recognize it, he's jealous of The Dude.  The Dude has what the Big Lebowski wants to have.  And the Big Lebowski hates him for it.

In the same way, the A-C hates J-C because J-C has what the A-C wants but can never seem to get.  But even though the A-C never gets what J-C has, he continues to use strategies that are shown to be incapable of achieving his own goals, because he's incapable of doing anything else.

Like, to an outside observer, both the Big Lebowski and the A-C seem ludicrous.  "Why don't you stop doing what you're doing, cuz it obviously ain't working and you're actually just making matters worse for yourself?!?!"  The Big Lebowski continues to live a life that obviously doesn't make him happy, and the A-C continues to live in Hell even though he theoretically could repent.

But the Big Lebowski and the A-C cannot change.  They are constants in their respective narratives.  The Big Lebowski is fundamentally incapable of living a different life and the A-C is fundamentally incapable of repenting.  They are both forces of the universe, not independent beings capable of being free agents.

The rest of us are not constants in our own narratives.  We are free agents,  capable of examining The Dude and the Big Lebowski, learning from their experiences, and choosing our own paths.  Similarly, we are free to examine J-C and the A-C, learn from their experiences, and choose our own paths.

Ironically, the Dude and J-C are also not constants in their own narratives.  They both have doubts.  The Dude: "I could be just sitting at home with pee stains on my rug."  J-C: "Father, why have You forsaken me?"

The A-C and the Big Lebowski do not doubt.  They are certain of the correctness of their path, even though nearly every outside observer sees that they are incorrect.  When confronted with evidence of their own fallibility they "blame the messenger", but never doubt themselves.

Mind if I do a J?

[Lone dude]

I highly doubt that TBL of even Dude could be defined by or help be defined by any Holy Book.  Religion Most anyway urges you to be closer to perfection dude was most certainly not and he did'nt care.  The rich guy wasn't either which blows your theory out of the water.  Take TBL for what it is.

[brandt]

I totally agree.

The Dude lives in a state of Dudeish bliss.  His happiness is not dependent on possessions or even the trappings of Dudeism itself.  As long as he gets to live how he wants, he's happy.  He doesn't aspire to Dudeish bliss.  He exists in that state naturally.

The Big Lebowski does not live in a state of Dudeish bliss.  He aspires to live in a state of Dudeish bliss, but chooses the absolutely incorrect path for achieving it.  He believes he needs money, power, and a trophy wife to reach that state.  When he acquires those things yet still fails to achieve bliss he doesn't re-evaluate his strategy.  Instead he continues along his unDude path, causing even more discord within himself and those around him.  Deep down, so deeply that he doesn't even recognize it, he's jealous of The Dude.  The Dude has what the Big Lebowski wants to have.  And the Big Lebowski hates him for it.

In the same way, the A-C hates J-C because J-C has what the A-C wants but can never seem to get.  But even though the A-C never gets what J-C has, he continues to use strategies that are shown to be incapable of achieving his own goals, because he's incapable of doing anything else.

Like, to an outside observer, both the Big Lebowski and the A-C seem ludicrous.  "Why don't you stop doing what you're doing, cuz it obviously ain't working and you're actually just making matters worse for yourself?!?!"  The Big Lebowski continues to live a life that obviously doesn't make him happy, and the A-C continues to live in Hell even though he theoretically could repent.

But the Big Lebowski and the A-C cannot change.  They are constants in their respective narratives.  The Big Lebowski is fundamentally incapable of living a different life and the A-C is fundamentally incapable of repenting.  They are both forces of the universe, not independent beings capable of being free agents.

The rest of us are not constants in our own narratives.  We are free agents,  capable of examining The Dude and the Big Lebowski, learning from their experiences, and choosing our own paths.  Similarly, we are free to examine J-C and the A-C, learn from their experiences, and choose our own paths.

Ironically, the Dude and J-C are also not constants in their own narratives.  They both have doubts.  The Dude: "I could be just sitting at home with pee stains on my rug."  J-C: "Father, why have You forsaken me?"

The A-C and the Big Lebowski do not doubt.  They are certain of the correctness of their path, even though nearly every outside observer sees that they are incorrect.  When confronted with evidence of their own fallibility they "blame the messenger", but never doubt themselves.

I disagree, the dude did not "live in a state of Dudeish bliss." It is a myth that being a dude means that you have to live in 'bliss" all the time like some shit-for-brains living in la la land indian guru sitting on top of a pile of flowers in the lotus position while a bunch of fucking moron wanna bees kiss your "god-like" ass to be dude-like.

Fuck that bullshit, man. The dude was a dude because he was for real, man. He was the real thing. He was dude because he was genuine and down to earth. He got pissed off sometimes, he got upset at others times, he was laid back, he got high, and at other times he just hung out and abided. Sometimes he even got some rich pussy (coitus, vigina) and when he might have a little Lebowski on the way, spit up his favorite drink all over himself.

The dude was one of us, taken er' easy for all us sinners...and I take comfort in that. Fuck that "guru bliss" shit!


....................that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Fuckin' A, man.....can't be worried about that shit.....life goes on

[BikerDude]

Nah man. Nixon is the anti dude.

They made the big lebowski a cripple for a reason.
He's a faker. Not even really rich.

[greatspiritmonk]

"I disagree, the dude did not "live in a state of Dudeish bliss." It is a myth that being a dude means that you have to live in 'bliss" all the time like some shit-for-brains living in la la land indian guru sitting on top of a pile of flowers in the lotus position while a bunch of fucking moron wanna bees kiss your "god-like" ass to be dude-like.

Fuck that bullshit, man. The dude was a dude because he was for real, man. He was the real thing. He was dude because he was genuine and down to earth. He got pissed off sometimes, he got upset at others times, he was laid back, he got high, and at other times he just hung out and abided. Sometimes he even got some rich pussy (coitus, vigina) and when he might have a little Lebowski on the way, spit up his favorite drink all over himself.

The dude was one of us, taken er' easy for all us sinners...and I take comfort in that. Fuck that "guru bliss" shit!


....................that's just, like, my opinion, man."

Also mine. The Dude is just one of us, like JC for example. He has good days, bad days and so on. The difference is simply that he abides and takes 'er easy almost all the time.
Abiding and taking life easy all the time is the ultimate goal, and the only one that counts. But when needed you are also authorised to kick morons in their nuts. Be it an enlightened behaviour or not.
Because what's the meaning of having always good days? As the wisest fella Lao Tzu said things exist because there is a counterpart. We Dudes needs morons, at least to have an example of what we must avoid.

There is in USA an "enlightened" lady who lives only on light, without food. And she makes billions. Is there anyone who is able to do the same just on caucasians? 

[greatspiritmonk]

I forgot to say that I don't want to be offensive in any way to other's point of view. 

But I would like to add that since around the sixties there are a lot of people in India, China, Usa and Europe, plus some other places, that live quite well, some even with Rolls Royces, on the search for spirituality of westeners. A lot of so called enlightenment gurus or martial arts masters live well teaching very unuseful things, but quite fancy though.

A couple of examples:

A real fight lasts around three seconds giving the chance to perform only a couple of moves. What's the point in learning 100? Unless for the sake of knowledge or discipline it's quite unuseful. Maybe is this the reason why only black belts are somewhat effective in real figthing? And still barrom brawlers usually beat their head on the walls. And what about Dim Mak and Ninja training?

In India too is full of places where you can go to reach enlightenment paying some money and learning difficult techniques. There are at least 20 different ways only to breath. Come on! But later you can call yourself with a guru's name. But you'll never be an indian though.

Well, I just don't know. Everyone has the right to reach his goal following his own trail, the one right for him. I prefer the Dude way. There are many ways to be uptight, I want to just abide.

   

[Matt the Walrus]

What are your opinions on this matter? What is the Ying to the Dudes yang? Who actively defies the Dude?

The Dude can't be balanced out. The Dude is the balance. Consider your mind blown.

[forumdude]

Kaboom!

Blown it is.

Michael Bay even called up and asked if he could film it.

Too late. Already blown.

[Petie1978]

I certainly see the validity of that assessment.  At the same time, I believe Walter is more of a balance to the Dude's  "Dudeness".  He's abrasive and volitile, yet loveable.  Just as the Dude said, " No, you're not wrong, Walter; you're just an asshole."