Ignosticism and Dudely Indefinity

[apnp]

Given that the sentence, "God exists.", is pugnaciously meaningless blather uttered from the craw of uptight dudes-in-waiting, so too theism, agnosticism, and atheism are all equally paraquat of the mind.

The subject matter of any metaphysical presumption is a curdler of caucasians.  The Dude sought no definition beyond his daily stumble.  Dudeism ought disdain all reference to the divine, pro or con.

Fuck it, dudes.  Fuck it three ways from Sunday.  Fuck God and fuck no God and fuck I don't know God or no.  Not worth the spital of the dispute.  Let us unite in easy-taken apatheism and not be sucked into the vortex of theological consideration.

Dudeism abhors a vacuum cleaner.  Let the dust settle.  Let the rug abide.

[DigitalBuddha]

Dudeism ought disdain all reference to the divine, pro or con.

But to do so is to deny a basic reality of many dudes; that of various beliefs that dudes hold along with the basic tenets of dudeism. That is to say if one "disdain(s) all reference to the divine, pro or con," such beliefs will go unexplored and will lay waste when such exploration could yield an interesting understanding of dudemanity in all of its in and outs. Lots of strands in thinking of the divine to explore, dude, no matter what the outcome, but to disdain is to deny, and to deny is to deprive the mind of limber thought.

This is my concern, dude.

[apnp]

Dudeism ought disdain all reference to the divine, pro or con.

But to do so is to deny a basic reality of many dudes; that of various beliefs that dudes hold along with the basic tenets of dudeism. That is to say if one "disdain(s) all reference to the divine, pro or con," such beliefs will go unexplored and will lay waste when such exploration could yield an interesting understanding of dudemanity in all of its in and outs. Lots of strands in thinking of the divine to explore, dude, no matter what the outcome, but to disdain is to deny, and to deny is to deprive the mind of limber thought.

This is my concern, dude.

I hear ya, DB, and confess I myself take great interest in the revelries of celestial critique... I do question, though the ultimate value of those digressions and most typically find them to be little other than a refining of our own echoes at best.  There are, of course, traditions of silence in this manner in various forms of faith, too.  I suppose I enter the above motion as part of the greater dialogue you refer to.  For myself, I have aspirations toward apatheism, and find the incursions of other dudes' competing realities sometimes frustrating, and my own reactivity equally challenging.  In any case, I see silence on the matter as a dudely exercise many would benefit from occasionally attempting (myself most of all... but alas my tongue is weak)

[cckeiser]

If only we could...like stick to the Tao...and not be bothered/put upon/arsed by the religiously befuddled...if only..

[meekon5]

If only we could...like stick to the Tao...and not be bothered/put upon/arsed by the religiously befuddled...if only..

Taoism works perfectly with my particular flavour of Paganism, and melds the Dudeism into that really well.

[Hominid]

If only we could...like stick to the Tao...and not be bothered/put upon/arsed by the religiously befuddled...if only..

Taoism works perfectly with my particular flavour of Paganism, and melds the Dudeism into that really well.

...as does my "version" of spirituality.  I think there's a key philosophical difference between those who are religious fundamentalists (christian or otherwise), and those who follow something like Taoism, which is NOT a religion - it's a philosophy. Perhaps the differentiation is deism. The former have what they think is a special connection with the creator, and the latter simply don't give a shit about having their ego stroked by such lofty claims, as they have no need to feel holier-than-thou like the fundies do. Fundamentalists are also by nature evangelists for their faith, largely due to the whole heaven/hell/afterlife belief, but also partly because of the inflated ego that such beliefs encourage.

These are perhaps some generalizations, but they hold true for the most part. See, I used to be one...

[DigitalBuddha]

@ cckeiser   "If only we could...like stick to the Tao...and not be bothered/put upon/arsed by the religiously befuddled...if only."

Good point, cc dude; life would be simpler, not so many ins and outs to distract from being a dude and living the life. Perhaps someday.

@ meekon5  "Taoism works perfectly with my particular flavour of Paganism, and melds the Dudeism into that really well."

Yup, your post is an example of what I was saying that Dudeism can be embraced along with a dude's other life experiences.

@ Hominid  "...as does my "version" of spirituality.  I think there's a key philosophical difference between those who are religious fundamentalists (christian or otherwise), and those who follow something like Taoism, which is NOT a religion - it's a philosophy. "

You touch on a good point, dude; "spirituality" ...I believe a dude can pursue many paths of spirituality and do so as a Dudeist. Also, I think that if a dude has the right frame of mind, Taoism can be explored as a way, a philosophical direction, without being a dead religion used, as many Christian fundamentalists do, used to control people and their thinking.

@ apnp  "I do question, though the ultimate value of those digressions and most typically find them to be little other than a refining of our own echoes at best. "

Interesting line, dude; "our own echoes at best." ...You hit on an important point, and that is that all religion and the pursuit thereof is internal, others try to control us from without using religion, but in reality, all religion or spiritual pursuits are within us when all is said and done.

[Hominid]

all religion or spiritual pursuits are within us when all is said and done.

DB: So true. We're all pilgrims, pilgrim... some of us keep evolving, some get stuck for a while. I like hanging out with dudes who like the growing part. The discovery part. The abiding part. Peace man.

[DigitalBuddha]

I like hanging out with dudes who like the growing part. The discovery part. The abiding part.

Fucking eh!

[forumdude]

Given that the sentence, "God exists.", is pugnaciously meaningless blather uttered from the craw of uptight dudes-in-waiting, so too theism, agnosticism, and atheism are all equally paraquat of the mind.

It's not meaningless (IMDO) but rather, has no fixed meaning. That's the problem.

Words like God, religion, fuck, dude, awesome, and so on are useful in that they can mean so many things (even totally contradictory ones) that the only thing we can do is see them for the vehicles they are. But people don't always realize this and ascribe fixed meaning to them (or God and religion, anyway).

As long as we see them for the poetic participles they are rather than atomic first principles then they can serve their purpose properly. But to reject them out of hand is to reject a large swath of human impulse that is difficult to allude to otherwise.

Of course, what we're trying to do with Dudeism at times is to recapitulate these ideas and encourage people to use more Taoist terminology to eff the infeffable, rather than the Judeo-Christian, which is saddled with too much literalist baggage and is therefore too easily misunderstood.

[Caesar dude]

Ineffable is my favourite word of all time (so far) I first came across it in "a course of miracles" which is an entirely different topic which I may start .... if I get around to it...

Peace.

[Andrea Da Fino]

That's interesting. I guess The Dude would pretty much laugh at all our splitting hairs about religion and non religion thing and just say fuck it to everything. But given that we are imperfect human beings all these thoughts are needed to better understand the topic. 

If we don't discuss our points of view it becomes the same dogma of the Catholic church: don't discuss, just believe and have faith. Obviously this applies to the whole religion-no religion thing. A dogma would be to stick without thinking or questioning to what someone else says. I think our position should be to remain above the parts and as long as people are dude dig their own point of views, be them religious, scientific, non religious or atheist.

The whole God thing cannot be demonstrated as well as the soul one. We should be dead to see if there really is a Dudervana and then we probably won't come back to say what has come to light. Can I say that thousand years of thinking from our compeers in the East about karma, soul and reincarnation are wrong? Just because I don't dig this kind of things it doesn't mean they are wrong, that's presumption, imdo. And btw I find their theories interesting and possible, throw me a mug now. 

We should just go over this and dig people whatever their beliefs just by looking if they are dudes or not, also because if someone is a dude his or her own beliefs are probably dudely too. That's what we do, accept any dude, wherever they come from and wherever they are. Dudeism is not atheism, is not about science vs religion, is not about going against other people beliefs because we  don't like them.

And is not forcing our point of view on others because, as funny as it seems, that's evangelism and preaching and dogmatism and everything some of us hate about the Catholic church or other monotheistic religions. Going against them as a principle we become like them. Imdo.

I think The Dude would agree that it's pretty simpler to just divide the world in dude and undude. When I think of Dudeism I see a bunch of people from different backgrounds and point of views all sitting peacefully around a table drinking their preferred beverage. That's what Dudeism is. Imdo obviously. 

[DigitalBuddha]

all religion or spiritual pursuits are within us when all is said and done.

DB: So true. We're all pilgrims, pilgrim... some of us keep evolving, some get stuck for a while. I like hanging out with dudes who like the growing part. The discovery part. The abiding part. Peace man.

Hopefully Dudeism will help a few get unstuck. 

[Andrea Da Fino]

all religion or spiritual pursuits are within us when all is said and done.

DB: So true. We're all pilgrims, pilgrim... some of us keep evolving, some get stuck for a while. I like hanging out with dudes who like the growing part. The discovery part. The abiding part. Peace man.

Hopefully Dudeism will help a few get unstuck. 

Fucking A.