Topic Locked, Another

[Rev. Ed C]

I didn't say too much on the last topic lock, as we managed to continue the discussion elsewhere and I wasn't too happy about the lingering stench of the personal attack that was stuck to it... but the recent topic lock about Free Exercise of Religion is a bit annoying, so please bare with what this has made me say below.

I'm not indignant about it, that's not really my thing.  To quote a wiser fella than myself (Bill Bailey) "I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment".  I get disappointed a lot rather than angry, and so unlike last time, when there was a lot of anger about a topic lock, I'm going to jump in first with a resounding sigh of disappointment (it sounds like an Englishman watching the England squad in the  World Cup, not angry, but with a muttered "bloody typical" and a headshake of despair )

I think it needs to be said now that I had something to say to the topic, but since its now temporarily locked, that means I have a new take on it.  I was going to try and smooth over some of the issues (which seemed an ongoing battle), but seeing as the topic's locked I can't express those natural flowing views, so I guess we're going to have to do this the hard way

I was going to stand by and keep trying to ease the river into a gentle flow, but I don't feel like standing by, because the place I was going to stand has been deemed off limits to me, barred and padlocked  Now I'm going to have to wade right on in *removes boots and socks, rolls up trousers to the knee and checks the riverbed for sharp stones*

I'm not happy with the distinct lack of cordiality shown by a member of this community.  One who seeks to start arguments he won't finish.  One who seems quick to claim that others are pissing on his rug simply because they disagree with him, and then says he's making peace whilst giving more backhanded insinuations about others.  Politeness and getting along are two things I pride as utmost in people, and taking the moral highground whilst simultaneously ragging on another person is just plain unpalatable.

I've had a lot of patience for this individual, defended him in public and private, telling people who were getting increasingly incensed by his rudeness and bullheadedness that he just needs a bit of time and nurturing on the dudely ways.  My patience has run out.  The more he insinuates that a friend and trusted compeer is an undude rug-pisser the more I feel disappointed in him.  It is not cool... it is just not the done thing to say these things about other people.  To call someone undude in such an accusational manner is hypocritical, because accusations themselves are most undude!


Next comes the calls for stuff I'd like to happen.  There's no insistence, no demands, but I would be grateful if these things came to pass, so, try for me peeps

I firstly call an end to the locking of the topic, so we can get back to sorting this matter out in the correct place, in a civilised manner.  I didn't want to post any of this, I wanted something less severe-sounding and I certainly did not want to post it here in the open, but I had no where else to, due to the lock.

I secondly call for Thinkingdude (oh, like you didn't all realise who I was talking about ) to reconsider his stance towards Meekon and stop trying to bad-mouth him to the rest of the community in such a coded way.  He's not trying to piss on anyone's rug, in fact he's very much the 1001 Trouble Shooter of rugs, diving in there to try and unmuddy the watermarks.  He may seem like a brash, grumpy git, but he's not (well...), and there's no need to react so harshly to his attempts to unravel what the hell it is you're talking about.

I thirdly call for Thinkingdude and Meekon and wrap up their differences over the offending topic.  Meekon is not pissing on Antone's rug, he's trying to help with his expert knowledge in the field and together you're more likely to get the right answers than one posting, the other trying to make corrections and the other throwing out blame and accusations.  You're both dudes, why is it so hard to talk without all the grumpy "he's pissing on my rug" stuff?  Discussions, yes, arguments, no  

Now, are we going to get back onto something, or am I going to have to keep showing my sterner side.  I'm better at being warm and cuddly, so this isn't sitting right with me, but darn it... if I'm not allowed to post nicely in-topic, I'm gonna post not-quite-as-nicely out-of-topic

[DigitalBuddha]

I was going to try and smooth over some of the issues (which seemed an ongoing battle), but seeing as the topic's locked I can't express those natural flowing views, so I guess we're going to have to do this the hard way

Please do post your thoughts in a few days, they would be appreciated, as will all comments. Thanks for your dude like understanding, Rev. 

[Rev. Ed C]

You say that... it's hard to drop a pebble in like you planned after I just threw in a 500lb rock in its place...

[DigitalBuddha]

You say that... it's hard to drop a pebble in like you planned after I just threw in a 500lb rock in its place...

HA! Good thought, but not to worry, both your pebble and 500 pounder will be welcome. This is only for a day or two, just a time to have an intermission, get up and stretch, head for the john, get a beer, and then back to the feature film. All will be cool.

[meekon5]

Ok having locked:

http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2650.0

Have you also locked:

http://dudeism.com/smf/index.php?topic=2659.0

Which is just the same posting in a different place?

[Rev. Ed C]

I put in a request to forumdude since its my topic I created to delete it. Its my friggin topic I want it gone. My topic my right I want it gone. So what folks won't like it I don't care it took a few dudes to blatantly disrespect me and my topic. Do we get it? Its MY TOPIC. I WANT IT DELETED. REMOVED. NO LONGER EXSISTING ON THIS FORUM. So topics get locked. Ever consider why? Well dudes that passive-aggressively pee all over other folks rugs get things locked. Dudes that act like they are 12 and not dude like gets topics locked. Dudes that instead of moving forward like D.B. has posted and graciously pointed out to us we need to do. Instead they want to keep whining like a bitch saying oh gawd I got sand in my vagina I want to rant and move backwards some more! But then again this is all like just my opinion man. The Dude Abides. Try moving forward moving backwards gets you nowhere. Peace

~thinkingdude

Not your topic, our topic.

You've proven you're the real rug-pisser here, trying to tell us what we can and cannot say, and that's the most disappointing thing, that you just don't get it.

I feel like washing my hands of trying to get you to understand that, because you won't listen, you just blame and accuse... This forum is not an ego war, it's a friendly discussion.  If you can't play nice, don't play here, that's all we ask of people.  Screaming, shouting, accusing, finger-pointing, moral highground taking, preaching, demanding of others, disrespect, editing and censoring... This is not a fascist police state, this is a socialist egalitarian commune.

Mature, chilled, friendly debate  This is a place where you have the right to free speech and opinion, but you do not have the right to flame people who disagree you.  You do not have the right to say whatever you want and then claim the discussion is over ("I win, fuck the rest of you!").  If you don't want to talk with people, only at them, this is not the place, you will not get things 'your way' here.

If you state opinion, others can disagree, and you both agree to disagree.  Opinions are intangible and uncertain (just like Dudeism).

If you state fact, prepare for others to pick holes in it.  If you deal in absolutes around here it is set in stone and other people will take a chisel to it if its the wrong shape.  You do not have the right to claim "this is the law" or "there is life after death" or "the moon landings were fakes" or "The Eagles are shit".

Stated facts can be challenged, opinions cannot

Never deal in facts you're not prepared to see someone else challenge with counter-facts, and then stomp up and down that someone's "pissing on your rug".  If you state facts and someone else corrects you, that's not rug pissing, that's 'getting the facts straight'.  If you state and opinion and someone says "you're wrong, you're an idiot", that's more like this fabled 'rug-pissing'.  If you state an opinion and someone simply offers a differing opinion, this is how we roll, don't take it to heart that you're being 'dissed', you're just not in agreement... That's life

Remember, everyone, this is NOT a PRIVATE residence.  This IS a PUBLIC residence.  No one owns topics, no one gets to tell anyone else what to do, not in this house.  We all share one big rug called Dudeism

[A.B. Dude]

I was going to say something about how you've been acting like a petulant child and disturbing the energy of our nice beach community, but I really think that Rev. Ed said it better than I could've.

[Caesar dude]

Its MY TOPIC. I WANT IT DELETED. REMOVED. NO LONGER EXSISTING ON THIS FORUM.

You really are exhibiting some very childish behaviour here. Fact not opinion. Did you stamp your feet when you wrote that?

This is not and never has been YOUR topic. You started the topic, agreed but once it is in an OPEN forum it becomes public and for the public to respond to or not.

Ask yourself some questions. Are you really getting what you want out of this forum? Are you having the desired effect on your fellow dudes? (although I do not consider you a dude or dudelike in any way shape or form.)

I think you are like a child whose wandered into a movie and doesn't have a fucking clue what is going on!

Grow up and start thinking before you respond or indeed start any other topics or threads.

You've arrived on the Dudeism forum which has always been a great place to hang out and chill and relax and have a bit of banter and all of a sudden there's a great deal of unrest and discord. I'm guessing it's not the long standing forum members that are fault here.

You could maybe start again by introducing yourself and eating a bit of humble pie.

Regards.

[Andrea Da Fino]

Sorry Rev. Ed, but I must ask you: socialist egalitarian commune? WTF are you talking about?     

[Rev. Ed C]

Sorry Rev. Ed, but I must ask you: socialist egalitarian commune? WTF are you talking about?     

I'm talking about... "I'll pay you to shut the fuck up, you plebs.  I'm the boss around here!"

[meekon5]

Sorry Rev. Ed, but I must ask you: socialist egalitarian commune? WTF are you talking about?     

I'm talking about... "I'll pay you to shut the fuck up, you plebs.  I'm the boss around here!"

I thought we were an Anarcho-Syndicated Commune!

[Rev. Ed C]

Remember, everyone, this is NOT a PRIVATE residence.  This IS a PUBLIC residence.  No one owns topics, no one gets to tell anyone else what to do, not in this house.  We all share one big rug called Dudeism

I think this is my main point in all of this

[DigitalBuddha]

Its MY TOPIC. I WANT IT DELETED. REMOVED. NO LONGER EXSISTING ON THIS FORUM.

Hey, man, this is a private residence here......................

Having said that; basically, after posting something, it more or less becomes "community property" (that is what I believe the Rev Ed was saying when he posted "this is NOT a PRIVATE residence.").

You can delete a thread in practice if you are the only dude who has posted anything in it by deleting your post, but if other dudes have posted in "your thread" their posts will remain; hence the thread will remain (as far as I know, this is the situation; we haven't run into this topic before).

A wiser plan of action other than deleting a thread (unless it was an undude thing you posted) is to think it over before you click the "POST" button. Why post something you will feel compelled later on, for any reason, to delete? Using some discretion could be called "one of the better parts of Dudeism, or a Dudeist principle"

And besides, how is a dude (other than a mod or admin) going delete a post if other dudes have quoted it?

As dudes, let us strive for calm thinking, wisdom, dude like manners and at times, let's say "fuck it, I'm going bowling" and all roll a few.

IMHO

[Andrea Da Fino]

Probably, at times, we should dig more into the whole taking things easy. For me sometimes isn't so easy but no one said that being a dudeist is always bubbles bath and whale sounds. Or we should start a branch of Dudeism called Takeasyism? 

[DigitalBuddha]

Probably, at times, we should dig more into the whole taking things easy. For me sometimes isn't so easy but no one said that being a dudeist is always bubbles bath and whale sounds. Or we should start a branch of Dudeism called Takeasyism?  

Totally agree; taking it easy is one of the basic traits of a dude. And if there are to be any tenets of dudeism, that should surely be one. "Takeasyism" could even be a Dudeist ethos!